Swansea City v The Nearly Dead and Buried Aston Villa (R) Post-Match Thread

[Tayls_7]

Seeing as Gestede is our only option up front, the fact we aren't just playing two players outwide and putting in crosses all game is ridiculous.

I said the same in the match thread. That team selection today was atrocious.

Another reason Remi Garde has got to go asap. Clueless and about as inspirational as rice pudding. Bring in Pearson NOW. Start the rebuilding programme immediately. Doing nothing now only hampers our chances for next season.

I wonder which players and journalists Pearson will physically and verbally assault while representing Aston Villa. Exciting isn't it.

Ok. Let's just stick to having "nice guys" in charge because that's been very successful so far hasn't it?

When representing AVFC nice guys get my vote over violent psychopaths every time.

Violent psychopath? Come on mate.
That Brian Clough guy was a bit of an arsehole wasn't he? His record wasn't too bad but hey we wouldn't want his type at the Villa would we?

If he isn't a violent psychopath then what is he? I can see the temptation based on his tenure at Leicester but I'm not so keen to excuse his appalling behaviour.

[Monty]

We've had quite enough embarrassment to put up with at Villa without appointing Nigel sodding Pearson.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

There is quite a lot of middle ground there you know, Mr Edge? It's not just a straight choice between a nice guy and an unhinged maniac. I'm not even sure why Garde keeps being labelled "nice" anyway - I think you're confusing "nice" with "conducts himself with dignity". Just because it hasn't worked out for a man of his temperament doesn't mean we should go for his polar opposite and appoint a vicious thug who can't control his aggression. You might as well give the job to Rik Waller on the basis that we tried a thin bloke and he was rubbish. There must be some ambitious, talented manager out there who can do the job without resorting to violence.

[Monty]

You might as well give the job to Rik Waller on the basis that we tried a thin bloke and he was rubbish.

Excellent. Ditto 'we tried passing football so let's go long', or 'we tried foreign so let's go British' (that last one is my favourite).

[The Edge]

We've had quite enough embarrassment to put up with at Villa without appointing Nigel sodding Pearson.

Ok then who?
Moyes- championship? No way.
Bruce- sit down potato head? I don't think so.
Mclaren- utterly useless & overrated.
Rodgers- possibly
I'm running out of managers who might take a job in the championship. We need a tried and tested experienced  manager who understands the challenge of the championship. It's my honest opinion that for all his faults Pearson would do a job for us.

[pauliewalnuts]

Pearson is a certified lunatic 

That is precisely the last sort of personality we want dropping into the monumental clusterfuck that is Aston Villa.

[The Edge]

There is quite a lot of middle ground there you know, Mr Edge? It's not just a straight choice between a nice guy and an unhinged maniac. I'm not even sure why Garde keeps being labelled "nice" anyway - I think you're confusing "nice" with "conducts himself with dignity". Just because it hasn't worked out for a man of his temperament doesn't mean we should go for his polar opposite and appoint a vicious thug who can't control his aggression. You might as well give the job to Rik Waller on the basis that we tried a thin bloke and he was rubbish. There must be some ambitious, talented manager out there who can do the job without resorting to violence.

I didn't call him any of those things. Managers lose it from time to time. Keegan, Pardew, Benitez, Clough, Wenger, Strachan, Di Canio etc etc have all been involved in violent outbursts towards players, refs, each other. Your right there's a lot of middle ground between nice and nuts but my main concern is whether they can do a job for us. IMHO Pearson can in the short term. 

[The Edge]

Pearson is a certified lunatic 

That is precisely the last sort of personality we want dropping into the monumental clusterfuck that is Aston Villa.

I don't think he has actually been certified.

[JJ-AV]

I reckon we'll end up with Lennon.

[Chinchilla Bathhouse]

There is quite a lot of middle ground there you know, Mr Edge? It's not just a straight choice between a nice guy and an unhinged maniac. I'm not even sure why Garde keeps being labelled "nice" anyway - I think you're confusing "nice" with "conducts himself with dignity". Just because it hasn't worked out for a man of his temperament doesn't mean we should go for his polar opposite and appoint a vicious thug who can't control his aggression. You might as well give the job to Rik Waller on the basis that we tried a thin bloke and he was rubbish. There must be some ambitious, talented manager out there who can do the job without resorting to violence.

I didn't call him any of those things. Managers lose it from time to time. Keegan, Pardew, Benitez, Clough, Wenger, Strachan, Di Canio etc etc have all been involved in violent outbursts towards players, refs, each other. Your right there's a lot of middle ground between nice and nuts but my main concern is whether they can do a job for us. IMHO Pearson can in the short term.

There's a big difference between those managers losing their tempers in the heat of the moment and the sort of inherent and consistent air of menace displayed publicly by Pearson. Watch that ostrich interview with that journo last year; would you really like to see a Villa manager aggressively bullying a reporter like that? He looked like a dick. And what makes you think his approach would work with our lot anyway? It did bugger all for Leicester for thirty games last season, they were rock bottom in April, which is presumably why he was so bloody angry in the first place.  Everyone seems to have forgotten how abject he was until the run in. Maybe he punched his team into form for the last seven games, who knows? Whatever he did to turn it around, it was a blip in a largely unspectacular managerial career. I don't think a seven game hot streak is nearly enough to make anyone our saviour, let alone one who behaves like Gripper Stebson.

[Monty]

If a short-term rescue operation is enough to appoint a manager on then we might as well re-appoint Sherwood.

[supertom]

There is quite a lot of middle ground there you know, Mr Edge? It's not just a straight choice between a nice guy and an unhinged maniac. I'm not even sure why Garde keeps being labelled "nice" anyway - I think you're confusing "nice" with "conducts himself with dignity". Just because it hasn't worked out for a man of his temperament doesn't mean we should go for his polar opposite and appoint a vicious thug who can't control his aggression. You might as well give the job to Rik Waller on the basis that we tried a thin bloke and he was rubbish. There must be some ambitious, talented manager out there who can do the job without resorting to violence.

I didn't call him any of those things. Managers lose it from time to time. Keegan, Pardew, Benitez, Clough, Wenger, Strachan, Di Canio etc etc have all been involved in violent outbursts towards players, refs, each other. Your right there's a lot of middle ground between nice and nuts but my main concern is whether they can do a job for us. IMHO Pearson can in the short term.

There's a big difference between those managers losing their tempers in the heat of the moment and the sort of inherent and consistent air of menace displayed publicly by Pearson. Watch that ostrich interview with that journo last year; would you really like to see a Villa manager aggressively bullying a reporter like that? He looked like a dick. And what makes you think his approach would work with our lot anyway? It did bugger all for Leicester for thirty games last season, they were rock bottom in April, which is presumably why he was so bloody angry in the first place.  Everyone seems to have forgotten how abject he was until the run in. Maybe he punched his team into form for the last seven games, who knows? Whatever he did to turn it around, it was a blip in a largely unspectacular managerial career. I don't think a seven game hot streak is nearly enough to make anyone our saviour, let alone one who behaves like Gripper Stebson.

Well to be fair to Pearson he got Leicester promoted from L1 to the Champ (first spell) and then from promoted to the Prem in his second spell. Granted his top flight achievements end at that 7 game run, but as far as getting a team promoted, he'd be as good a bet as anyone we're likely to get and more likely than Garde. I don't like the guy but if we have to have a total fuck trumpet in charge, who will bring some success, then so be it.
I would prefer Rodgers that being said. But he's unlikely to want the job.

[Chris Jameson]

There's one bright spot in all of this. I heard the commentator at Goodison yesterday say that Everton have scored less goals at home this season than Aston Villa. So next time someone takes the piss throw that stat in their faces that'll shut 'em up.

What do we do when they point out they scored four against us?

[oldhill_avfc]

We don't really know what degree of rebuilding is going to be done.  In the summer Garde may stay, Garde may go.  If he stays we don't know what kind of a budget he is going to get.  To get a high quality goalkeeper, a striker, a full back, a centre back and a midfield hardman would set us back £30 million at least.  If Garde demands that sort of money Steve Hollis may well jibe and Remi will go.

Then would come the interesting part.  If we went shopping for Moyes, or Howe or Rodgers or Rowett, their response would be "I am not coming if you are going to treat me like you treated Remi Garde".

That would bring into play Plan B.  We go shopping for desperate managers like Pearson, McClaren, Davies, Warnock etc. who would convince Steve Hollis that they could get us back in the Premiership with Guzan, Bacuna, Lescott, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Sinclair, Gil, Gestede, Clark and other assorted malingerers.  The sheer cheapness of the Plan B option could see it in place next season.

Plan B might work, but as I have said before it would establish the height of our ambition as hoping to be as good as West Bromwich. Albion.

I am afraid it is going to be a long, nervous summer.

Brian

I think you're being a bit harsh on Hollis and too pro Garde with some of your comments (the bit about claiming for constuctive dismissal).

Hollis certainly won't want to waste money with another payoff, but Garde has done very little to impress the new football board so far (albeit in a very difficult situation).

The nub of the issue may lie in how much money is tied up in existing player contracts which don't have relegation clauses.   If the only option is to stick with many of the existing squad, then Garde has to go and he's failed to improve the younger (french) players and his relationship with the senior players is broke beyond repair.  In this case, the only option open to Hollis is to pay off Garde and get someone in with proven ability to get shite players promoted.

I don't see this as a limitation to our ambition, more one of pragmatic realism in the short term, which would in reality not waste money that could then be spending on rebuilding at a more appropriate time.

[Clampy]

I reckon we'll end up with Lennon.

I reckon we won't.