Swansea City v The Nearly Dead and Buried Aston Villa (R) Post-Match Thread

[brian green]

The job in the Midlands is Remi Garde's to keep or walk away from. The top item on Steve Hollis's list is "Don't Waste Money". Underlined three times. If Remi Garde were to be sacked, having not been allowed to sign a single player of his choice, his case for constructive dismissal would be, in my opinion, indisputable.

If he goes, which bearing in mind the treatment he has received from all quarters would be entirely justified, it will be his call.  There is no way whatsoever that Randy Lerner will sanction another manager compensation payout.

[sickbeggar]

So we keep him so we don't have to pay out more money? Could be right as it deffo sounds like it's come out of Randy's "cunning plan" folder.

[Allan C]

For me, it only emphasises how poor we are and how far we have fallen when Gestede was one of our "better" players. Quite possibly the worst player I've seen at the Villa along with the laughable Guzan. This against an equally shocking Swansea. It's just awful

I suspect you are not an old git Allan C lol

I watched Andy Lochead from the back of the Witton Lane end Villain from Luton which makes me an old git I think

[pbavfckuwait]

Appreciate your point Brian, but as nice as he comes across and the limited obvious candidates if he were to go, pushed or jumped, we should not stop with someone because of money or lack of perceived alternatives. I have been undecided about him from day one, as I am sure you are aware, but he is doing little to make me come over to his side, as stated I believe that a few of the malingerers will still be here next season, I also believe some of the french contingent wont be, with that being the case, I do not think he will be able to have the effect he may think he can.

[brian green]

Yes is the answer to that.  If it is cheaper to keep him and he wants to put up with more of the club he will stay.

If he wants to stay he will have far more leverage for funding than an incoming Nigel Pearson/Steve Bruce/Schteve McClaren/Tony Pulis/Neil Warnock/Billy Davies because he was denied funds in January.  He can say to Steve Hollis that he took all the January shit but now it is back me or sack me time.

I still think whether he stays or goes is a coin toss.  What is certain is that Remi Garde's funding demands will be substantially higher than some occupant of the managerial last chance saloon desperate for the Villa gig.  There are plenty of those hoping that Garde will walk.

[ROBBO]

How many times did we see the midfielders pass back to a defender how many through balls did they supply, Westwood has no drive in him whatsoever a very poor player.

[brian green]

ROBBO we have been like that for years.  It comes from having players not technically good enough to play the precision game.  You can win games as Leicester have shown very clearly with discipline, energy, team spirit and ruthless organisation.  You fall down when you try to play Barcelona style without their class of players.  The back pass or the sideways pass is the easy option.  The through ball or the running forward thrust are much harder to bring off so we pass sideways or backwards until we lose or give away possession of the football.

[robbo1874]

The very worst position to have a truly shit, bag of nerves player is goalkeeper.  It permeates the whole side.  In the same way that a good keeper instills confidence, a bad one drains it away.

we often disagree about things Brian, but you're bang on the money there mate, unfortunately.

[MillerBall]

I have not seen anything to date that remotely convinces me that Remi Garde can motivate the squad he has inherited and boy is it a poverty of an inheritance; a squad of sub standard Premiership players if ever there was one, with a truly questionalbe goalkeeper (who has gone from Brad to Bad to worse).

A shocking mistake by Bad Gazzoon in goal and following on from the lack of concentration again Man City last season and then Palace and Chelsea this season (all appalling passes that showed the vision of Mr Maggoo) I can accept that Remi Garde has little of any quality to work with. Quite how Almstadt and Reilly were not able to recruit a decent keeper last summer is staggering beyond belief (unless of course any would be Villa keeper looked at the squad and thought "no thanks."

Swansea were poor yesterday and Villa should have got something out of the game but we do not have a squad of players that is fit for Premiership purpose. We are not able to score and no can we defend; a normal day at the office really.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

We have no pace in the side total no-one to take defenders on, how many times do we have to watch Hutton try to run past the full back? we have probably three players in that team that are worth holding on to and they will probably be the ones we sell at the end of the season. Gestede he may do better in the championship but he is not a premiership player if we are looking to the future.

this 100%

we have to look long term

yes justhead, bacuna, westwood etc may do a job in the championship but when we come back up we will have to get rid as they arent good enough

the rebuilding job is massive

[SamTheMouse]

Gestede had an overhead kick on target in the second half.

I had to go and lie down at that point.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

Gestede had an overhead kick on target in the second half.

I had to go and lie down at that point.

did guzan manage to save it?

[Ron Manager]

The job in the Midlands is Remi Garde's to keep or walk away from. The top item on Steve Hollis's list is "Don't Waste Money". Underlined three times. If Remi Garde were to be sacked, having not been allowed to sign a single player of his choice, his case for constructive dismissal would be, in my opinion, indisputable.

If he goes, which bearing in mind the treatment he has received from all quarters would be entirely justified, it will be his call.  There is no way whatsoever that Randy Lerner will sanction another manager compensation payout.

A few weeks ago I would have agreed with you but I feel Mr Lerner will have been pushed into a very tight corner and will authorize his dismissal Ithink he will go either today or In the next couple of days

[brian green]

We don't really know what degree of rebuilding is going to be done.  In the summer Garde may stay, Garde may go.  If he stays we don't know what kind of a budget he is going to get.  To get a high quality goalkeeper, a striker, a full back, a centre back and a midfield hardman would set us back £30 million at least.  If Garde demands that sort of money Steve Hollis may well jibe and Remi will go.

Then would come the interesting part.  If we went shopping for Moyes, or Howe or Rodgers or Rowett, their response would be "I am not coming if you are going to treat me like you treated Remi Garde".

That would bring into play Plan B.  We go shopping for desperate managers like Pearson, McClaren, Davies, Warnock etc. who would convince Steve Hollis that they could get us back in the Premiership with Guzan, Bacuna, Lescott, Westwood, Agbonlahor, Sinclair, Gil, Gestede, Clark and other assorted malingerers.  The sheer cheapness of the Plan B option could see it in place next season.

Plan B might work, but as I have said before it would establish the height of our ambition as hoping to be as good as West Bromwich. Albion.

I am afraid it is going to be a long, nervous summer.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

i would hazard a wild guess that as lerner did nothing in jan to give us a chance of a minimum of 100 million next season there isnt going to be a lot of money about