Manager for next season

[Monty]

Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.

Yeah, lets just plan for next season and not have any consideration for anything else that might happen, following a short term strategy has been super effective for the club so far.

That's my point. I'm not against Moyes, I agree with what Dante says and I think he has a good chance of getting us promoted (with a budget). However, I really don't think his style of football is going to deliver what uncle Tony wants long-term, and I think you can do that in the Championship almost better than you can in the Premier League (Swansea, Southampton, Boro, Bournemouth etc).

There are many ways to skin the promotion cat, and Moyes is just one and I can't help feel there might be more interesting and more long-term choices out there - but at least Moyes IS one, unlike some of the names that have been thrown about on here (Neil Warnock, holy jesus), so I'm not exactly unhappy.

Cue everyone accusing me of 'turning my nose up at Moyes' or whatever.

[fredm]

What is the average length of time any manager remains at a club in the PL nowadays (leaving Wenger out of the equation)?  Isn't it about 3 years?  All this talk about long term planning in relation to a manager is irrelevant as far as I am concerned.  As long as the next one sorts the club out on the field and achieves promotion and then avoids immediate relegation that would be an achievement.  The, hoped for, football knowledgeable board of directors and CEO can then make a judgement as to whether the incumbent is capable of progressing the team further or whether to bring in someone else.

[paul_e]

Yep As I see it there are 2 important questions that need to be considered:

Can they get us promoted next season?
Can they build a platform to push on in the long-term?

Moyes is a fairly safe bet for the first question but not so much for the 2nd.  There are other managers we could look at who would be riskier for the first but be better at the latter.  We need to consider the balance between those 2 and go from there.  People are already naturally writing off people who are clear failures for the latter (Warnock, Bruce, etc) but wouldn't be terrible for the former but for some reason questioning where Moyes fits is seen as a bad thing on here.

[passitsideways]

Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.

Yeah, lets just plan for next season and not have any consideration for anything else that might happen, following a short term strategy has been super effective for the club so far.

That's my point. I'm not against Moyes, I agree with what Dante says and I think he has a good chance of getting us promoted (with a budget). However, I really don't think his style of football is going to deliver what uncle Tony wants long-term, and I think you can do that in the Championship almost better than you can in the Premier League (Swansea, Southampton, Boro, Bournemouth etc).

There are many ways to skin the promotion cat, and Moyes is just one and I can't help feel there might be more interesting and more long-term choices out there - but at least Moyes IS one, unlike some of the names that have been thrown about on here (Neil Warnock, holy jesus), so I'm not exactly unhappy.

Cue everyone accusing me of 'turning my nose up at Moyes' or whatever.

I get your point, but I don't think it's THAT hard to make that step forward in terms of the quality of your football in the EPL - just look at what Martinez was able to achieve in his first season succeeding Moyes, and what Bilic has done with West Ham following after Allardyce. Of course, Martinez couldn't keep it up, but I think that has more to do with his flaws as a manager. Both those two teams seemed to benefit from the solid, if unexciting platform set up by their predecessors; as well as investment. On that basis, I wouldn't really say that the strategy absolutely has to be the path taken by a Swansea or Southampton or Bournemouth, in terms of hiring someone who plays that way to take you up from the division below - you can skip that part, so long as you make the right managerial hire and/or are willing to invest money on genuine quality.

[Jimbo]

We need to walk before we can run. At the moment we're lying prostrate. Moyes is a great bet to get us back on our feet. After that, who knows? Managers can be sacked, and as things change new managers will come into the fray.

[Lastfootstamper]

Monty, I'm with you. And no, I'm not turning my nose up at Moyes, either. Once Wenger goes, seeing a PL manager in place for more than three years will continue to be the non-occurrence it is now. I just don't think Xia’s timescale will sync with Moyes'.

[cdbearsfan]

I've just seen a bloke who looks like David Moyes coming out of the Arcadian Centre and heading in the direction of New Street station.
Expect an announcement soon. He's probably on the 11:05 to Aston.

Hmm the Arcadian is right in the middle of China Quarter.

Coincidence?

[Monty]

Yeah, but all I'm saying is that it's in some ways an opportunity to establish an entirely new way of doing something at the club. Instead of being completely manager-dependent for how we play, how about we have more of a structure that helps establish a way we play and then hire managers accordingly for that? And if the style is to be Moyesian, well, I have my doubts about that.

[The Edge]

I've just seen a bloke who looks like David Moyes coming out of the Arcadian Centre and heading in the direction of New Street station.
Expect an announcement soon. He's probably on the 11:05 to Aston.

Hmm the Arcadian is right in the middle of China Quarter.

Coincidence?

After going through the delights of  Duddeston and Nechells and arriving at Aston I think any new manager would stop on the train and never look back lol. I think the Chinese owners might just stretch to a taxi. Probably Embassy.

[Stirchley Villain]

Unless he's walked out of a meeting and is heading straight for Lime St!!

[conman]

I've just seen a bloke who looks like David Moyes coming out of the Arcadian Centre and heading in the direction of New Street station.
Expect an announcement soon. He's probably on the 11:05 to Aston.

Hmm the Arcadian is right in the middle of China Quarter.

Coincidence?

maybe he was going down hurst street

[Lastfootstamper]

Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!

[conman]

Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!

promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league

[Dave]

Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!

promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league

Paul Jewell and Mick McCarthy come on down.

[aev]

Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!

promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league

Paul Jewell and Mick McCarthy come on down.

Lets get fkn 'eck back.