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Offline itbrvilla

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4380 on: May 12, 2016, 02:27:12 PM »
Martinez did well at Swansea and had them playing some good football. He was pretty shit at Wigan - 3 seasons circling the plug hole then dropping in the 4th season. He did win them the FA Cup though. And I think he's done OK at Everton. As someone who could get us back up and keep us there I wouldn't be too averse to getting him.
Martinez has failed. Time and again.  No.

That's a bit harsh, what exactly were the expectations of Wigan when he was there? I'd imagine fight bravely against the drop. They managed that pretty well and won the FA Cup as well. He hasn't had a great time this season at Everton, but he did alright last year. He also did pretty decently with Swansea.
he was someone I wanted here. Bit having looked back at his record I've changed my mind.  His team's are dreadful at keeping clean sheets.

Offline Lucky Eddie

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4381 on: May 12, 2016, 02:34:48 PM »
Martinez lists amongst his many 'failings' the winning of that which we've coveted most for fifty years.

Offline Tom_Mc9?

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4382 on: May 12, 2016, 02:45:33 PM »
Martinez lists amongst his many 'failings' the winning of that which we've coveted most for fifty years.

You're right, of course, but the FA Cup can prove to be a bit of a lottery - even we got to the final last season.

Offline villa for life

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4383 on: May 12, 2016, 02:51:01 PM »
Martinez would be an absolutely diabolical appointment. He's just a terrible manager.

Whelan was very good at "bigging" Martinez up and EFC fell for it big time. People hail what he did at Wigan, but he actually had some pretty good players there. Also compared with what "smaller" teams like Leicester, Bournemouth and Watford have achieved this season, his "achievements" are really nothing to write home about.

Sure, there were a golden few months at Everton when his overly attacking football blended well with the defensive side that Moyes had created. Moyes didn't dare to add flair to his side at the expense of defensive strength and when Martinez did this, it all clicked, but as with all his teams, EFC this season have all shown extreme defensive frailties despite having such wonderfully gifted players. So for a while, he got away with it, but this season, he's been found out again.

Look at that Everton side. Had Moyes stayed, he'd have had them top four or even top this season. I'd go as far as to say that out of all the teams, Everton have had the most disappointing season, after us of course!

Offline mr underhill

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4384 on: May 12, 2016, 03:37:14 PM »
well if you count finishing in 12th or thereabouts and remaining part of the PL with all the attendant riches that come with it disappointing, then I'd gladly swap places with them

Offline passitsideways

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4385 on: May 12, 2016, 03:47:09 PM »
Martinez would be an absolutely diabolical appointment. He's just a terrible manager.

Whelan was very good at "bigging" Martinez up and EFC fell for it big time. People hail what he did at Wigan, but he actually had some pretty good players there. Also compared with what "smaller" teams like Leicester, Bournemouth and Watford have achieved this season, his "achievements" are really nothing to write home about.

Sure, there were a golden few months at Everton when his overly attacking football blended well with the defensive side that Moyes had created. Moyes didn't dare to add flair to his side at the expense of defensive strength and when Martinez did this, it all clicked, but as with all his teams, EFC this season have all shown extreme defensive frailties despite having such wonderfully gifted players. So for a while, he got away with it, but this season, he's been found out again.

Look at that Everton side. Had Moyes stayed, he'd have had them top four or even top this season. I'd go as far as to say that out of all the teams, Everton have had the most disappointing season, after us of course!

I think you're drastically overrating Everton's squad. Okay, Lukaku's a top player, but looking at the attacking players behind him, a lot of them are arguably horribly erratic; they have a bunch of runners without creativity in midfield; and from their defenders, Stones and Funes Mori still have a lot to develop while Baines and Jagielka are past it.

As for Wigan, what "pretty good players" did he have there? Looking through their squads for their final two seasons under Martinez, I think Al-Habsi, McCarthy and Diame were alright, Moses was a pretty decent winger, Kone a useful goalscorer, but otherwise, pretty much a truckload of shit.

For the record, I don't want him here but I don't think it's necessary to discount what he did at Wigan, and exaggerate his failure at Everton.

Offline Ron Manager

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4386 on: May 12, 2016, 03:48:07 PM »
I do hope it is not Di Matteo or Martinez. Di Matteo spent most of his time smoking at the Baggies and missed training on numerous occasions so I have been told. Martinez is too weak to deal with our lot.I hope its Pearson or Moyes.

Offline VillaAlways

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4387 on: May 12, 2016, 04:09:56 PM »
Di Matteo would be a disaster imo I really hope it's Pearson

Online LeeB

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4388 on: May 12, 2016, 04:10:22 PM »
He's managed to take two solid if unspectacular teams, get them playing less direct, and also get them halfway down the league from where they were.

Not for me thanks.

Offline RussellC

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4389 on: May 12, 2016, 04:16:46 PM »
Just imagine the meltdown if Martinez' first act was to hand N'Zogbia a new contract!

Offline auntiesledd

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4390 on: May 12, 2016, 04:18:15 PM »
I've always thought Martinez was slimy bugger - who has the aire of a snake oil salesman, so it hardly comes as a shock to hear that Everton have given him the big E. Judging by our club's magnificent track record of shite managerial appointments, it wouldn't surprise me if he rocked up at VP. A club apparently soon-to-be-owned (effectively) by the Chinese Govt, with Damien friggin' Comolli as DOF.

Triffick.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2016, 04:22:00 PM by auntiesledd »

Offline edgysatsuma89

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4391 on: May 12, 2016, 04:33:58 PM »
Whenever I see Di Matteo I always think that he could have been a character in PaRappa The Rapper. Only a certain age group will get this.

Offline Chris Jameson

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4392 on: May 12, 2016, 04:37:18 PM »
I always think he looks like a baked bean or an egg with a face drawn on.

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4393 on: May 12, 2016, 04:39:28 PM »
Oh right, pesky scallys!
Thank McGrath for the back pass rule, could you imagine Barcelona without it?!

The introduction of the back pass rule really impacted on some careers.  Des Walker being a prime example.

Offline MonsXI

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #4394 on: May 12, 2016, 04:40:03 PM »
Whenever I see Di Matteo I always think that he could have been a character in PaRappa The Rapper. Only a certain age group will get this.

Whereas Pearson looks like a character from Toejam and Earl.

 


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