Manager for next season

[Chico Hamilton III]

found it. Brilliant

[Jimbo]

"He shouldn't have gone aaht fisting people."

Didn't we get battered there shortly after this incident?

[Dave]

Brian Clough used to leave journalists trembling. I also remember him chinning a couple of Forest fans who invaded the pitch after a game against Derby - he then invited them both to Forest's training ground as an apology and kissed them. Also have vague recollections of Cloughie man handling a fan who was dressed as a clown and trying to get on the pitch. He grabbed him and shoved him back into the stands.  And his humiliation of Trevor Francis at the player of the year bash was legendary "take your hands out of your pockets young man".

I'm not comparing Pearson's record to Clough's, of course, just highlighting the fact that some managers are respected for being mad, others ridiculed. And Clough was nearly our manager, if rumours are to be believed.

Some are respected, but I wouldn't say they are respected for being mad. Clough was respected because he was a brilliant manager who happened to be a bit unhinged. The respect was for the great manager bit, not the mad bit.

And if Pearson were a great manager, then fine. All the other stuff wouldn't really matter as much. But we wouldn't be getting the next mad Brian Clough, we'd be getting an average duffer who has spent the bulk of his career between fifth and eleventh in the Championship.

[rob_bridge]

Brian Clough used to leave journalists trembling. I also remember him chinning a couple of Forest fans who invaded the pitch after a game against Derby - he then invited them both to Forest's training ground as an apology and kissed them. Also have vague recollections of Cloughie man handling a fan who was dressed as a clown and trying to get on the pitch. He grabbed him and shoved him back into the stands.  And his humiliation of Trevor Francis at the player of the year bash was legendary "take your hands out of your pockets young man".

I'm not comparing Pearson's record to Clough's, of course, just highlighting the fact that some managers are respected for being mad, others ridiculed. And Clough was nearly our manager, if rumours are to be believed.

Some are respected, but I wouldn't say they are respected for being mad. Clough was respected because he was a brilliant manager who happened to be a bit unhinged. The respect was for the great manager bit, not the mad bit.

And if Pearson were a great manager, then fine. All the other stuff wouldn't really matter as much. But we wouldn't be getting the next mad Brian Clough, we'd be getting an average duffer who has spent the bulk of his career between fifth and eleventh in the Championship.

My thoughts entirely.

Still Cloughie hitting the fans was hilarious.

[Risso]

Could we give him a 4 week contract so that after he ritually disembowels the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards whilst howling at the moon, we then appoint a decent manager in time for pre-season?

[Chico Hamilton III]

Brian Clough used to leave journalists trembling. I also remember him chinning a couple of Forest fans who invaded the pitch after a game against Derby - he then invited them both to Forest's training ground as an apology and kissed them. Also have vague recollections of Cloughie man handling a fan who was dressed as a clown and trying to get on the pitch. He grabbed him and shoved him back into the stands.  And his humiliation of Trevor Francis at the player of the year bash was legendary "take your hands out of your pockets young man".

I'm not comparing Pearson's record to Clough's, of course, just highlighting the fact that some managers are respected for being mad, others ridiculed. And Clough was nearly our manager, if rumours are to be believed.

Some are respected, but I wouldn't say they are respected for being mad. Clough was respected because he was a brilliant manager who happened to be a bit unhinged. The respect was for the great manager bit, not the mad bit.

And if Pearson were a great manager, then fine. All the other stuff wouldn't really matter as much. But we wouldn't be getting the next mad Brian Clough, we'd be getting an average duffer who has spent the bulk of his career between fifth and eleventh in the Championship.

My thoughts entirely.

Still Cloughie hitting the fans was hilarious

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Brilliant innit.

Clough's "eccentricity" meant that he was equally well know by football fans and non-football fans and his yampiness was celebrated ( Mike Yarwood use to slip Clough effortlessly in between Harold Wilson and Hughie Greene impressions).   

I'd take Pearson though, I'd love to see him burst Ian Wright or Savage

[passport1]

I like managers with chips on their shoulders and something to prove. Clough after Leeds, Saunders after Man Ciry,Moyes after Utd?, Pearson after Leicester?

I can't really decide but my gut instinct is Pearson.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

I think Pearson knows his way round a cattle prod.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Didn't he accuse a journalist of trying to "stare him out" at a press conference last season? Ace

[onje_villa]

Hughton in the cold light of day makes a lot of sense Has handled a big, difficult club before, has a very good track-record all-told and seems a stable sort of character.

[robbo1874]

Which recent manager, in your opinion, has been a 'classless cock-socket'? For me, I'd have to go back to O'Leary to find a manager who fitted that description.

O'Neill for most of his time here was classy. The manner in which he left was unclassy, I'll grant you.

McLeish was out of his depth, but a perfect gent in a no-win situation.

Lambert was genuine, but like McLeish was way out of his depth.

Sherwood kept us up against the odds and got us to a cup final, before imploding. Another one out of his depth and struggling against player power. He was brash, but what was unclassy about him?

Garde inherited a cluster fuck and wasn't backed by Lerner. From what I saw, he conducted himself with class throughout his short stint.

Black's just care taking til a new manager comes in. And he knows it. Dropped Gabby after the sheesha incident, which is what most of us would have done.

I missed out Houllier in there. He did a few things to piss the fans off, but I thought him and GMac were a decent managerial team. Other than fawning over His former club Liverpool, what did he do to be described as a classless cock-socket?

We've just been saddled with a series of poor appointments since O'neill left, as the club has looked to do things on the cheap. I'd argue none of those above since O'Leary could be described as class-less cock-sockets in the company of the likes of O'Leary, current Newcastle manager, Pearson, warnock etc.

Doesn't really matter anyway, I'd take the likes of classless cock-sockets such as Wenger or Fergie, even mourinho, if it meant we had a chance of actually winning something again.

Edit: sorry. Quite fail. This was in response to VID's last post a few pages back. I'll get me coat...

[Monty]

Judging by his time at Spurs, Sherwood definitely qualifies as a classless cock-socket.

[onje_villa]

Genuine question but what did the fan say to get that response from Pearson? Assume it wasn't just one comment and it wasn't asking him how the tomatoes were coming along in his vegetable garden?

They were calling him a twat. Still shows him up in a bad light that he has a short fuse and gets baited. I think if things didn't go well for him here it would be a car crash with him. Most of the incidents happened when he was under pressure at a small club like Leicester, how the hell would he cope with us?

Is that really all or was it more? Not disagreeing with you but I find telling someone to fuck off and die would need a bit more. That said, yes he was under pressure and he was still able to turn things around. As opposed to Lambert or Sherwood or Garde who looked like the walking dead buried under the weight of it all. Maybe we need a bit more of the come out fighting attitude at the club than the meekly accepting our new place in the game. I'm not saying the answer is Pearson but we need to find someone if not him with a more determined to succeed attitude than the last few blokes. At least an inner strength if not outwardly as obvious.

I'm with you on this. I liked Remi a lot, I like the guy as he clearly has a lot of class but in the end where did it get us? Man United won hundreds of trophies under Ferguson, look at Mourinho, even Graham Taylor had a foul temper. Didn't do us a lot of good having Lambert, Garde and Sherwood looking meekly on week after week.

As for those "fans" who turn up every week and sit behind the dugout abusing managers and their families, they can get what's coming as far as I'm concerned. I have no issue with appointing someone with a bit of "mongrel" but it has to be more than that. Pearson's record is pretty good but it is a bit more of a risk. As others have said, not having his assistants would be a blow but depending on his personality, not necessarily a fatal one.

[robbo1874]

I'd go along with that, but he toned it down whilst at Villa, largely.

[Phil from the upper holte]

In other news, I can't work out whether this is a pitch or somebody serving up a very cold dish that their dog discovered in Jersey called 'Revenge': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/10/aston-villa-could-only-be-in-championship-for-a-seasonthey-may-w/

As soon as I saw who wrote that I clicked off it, he can fuck off