Manager for next season

[cdbearsfan]

However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.

Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.

Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.

Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.

There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.

[Toronto Villa]

However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.

Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.

Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.

Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with a an embarrassing points total.

There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.

So they went from being perfectly average to getting relegated? That's a special kind of shit as opposed to our gradual decline. What happened to them shouldn't have happened but it did. Getting relegated is getting relegated and a lot of things have to go wrong over 38 games for it to actually happen. And conversely when you have the players over that span of time to fix it and it doesn't happen the problems are every bit as real as those we are facing.

[Clampy]

The one advantage to Hughton is that he's already stood in a dug out with a massive crowd baying for results. It's an interesting choice.

[Toronto Villa]

The one advantage to Hughton is that he's already stood in a dug out with a massive crowd baying for results. It's an interesting choice.

It is. He would have taken control in very much similar circumstances and within short order he had the club and fans behind him. We could do with a bit of that. He'd be solid appointment without much fanfare. Not inspirational but he could be someone who could work this out.

[dave.woodhall]

Do you not think Hughton will look at McLeish's time here and think 'no thanks'?

I think Hughton's been away from that lot long enough not to be thought of as particularly ex-Them by all but the daftest of our support.

[Whiney MacWhineface]

My first choice is Moyes, admittedly without a great deal of enthusiasm, but my second choice is rapidly becoming Anyone But Him - "Him" being the grottier selections currently being touted around - which is a bad place for me/us to be in.

[pauliewalnuts]

However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.

Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.

Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.

Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.

There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.

Well, there obviously is a comparison there as they are both relegated sides. The particularly telling comparison is that both clubs have had abysmal leadership.

Nor really sure what the relevance is of going back to 1993 either?

It doesn't really make any difference that we have struggled for four years. We are a shit side and so were Newcastle when they went down  - and they are this season too.

[brontebilly]

I'm coming round to Hughton especially his record in the Championship. He has a very calm demeanour about him that we could do with at the club, and while Garde had that, what he didn't do is unite the group. Something we desperately needed post Sherwood. I do wonder though why he keeps going from job to job? You'd think he was competent enough to stay in one place for a decent length of time even if you accept his ceiling in the PL is mid table at best.

dont think Norwich are any better now than when they got rid of him

He signed a couple of turkeys at Norwich that counted against him, Van Wolfswinkle and Hooper

Newcastle should never have got rid of him, it was rumoured he was too close to players Ashley wanted rid of - Nolan, Carroll etc

Dont be expecting free flowing football but id take not being rolled over at the first sign of a battle next season as a starting point

[Toronto Villa]

If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.

[Toronto Villa]

I'm coming round to Hughton especially his record in the Championship. He has a very calm demeanour about him that we could do with at the club, and while Garde had that, what he didn't do is unite the group. Something we desperately needed post Sherwood. I do wonder though why he keeps going from job to job? You'd think he was competent enough to stay in one place for a decent length of time even if you accept his ceiling in the PL is mid table at best.

dont think Norwich are any better now than when they got rid of him

He signed a couple of turkeys at Norwich that counted against him, Van Wolfswinkle and Hooper

Newcastle should never have got rid of him, it was rumoured he was too close to players Ashley wanted rid of - Nolan, Carroll etc

Dont be expecting free flowing football but id take not being rolled over at the first sign of a battle next season as a starting point

He's done a very nice job at Brighton on limited resources too.

[Exeter 77]

Do you not think Hughton will look at McLeish's time here and think 'no thanks'?

I think Hughton's been away from that lot long enough not to be thought of as particularly ex-Them by all but the daftest of our support.

About the same length of time as the gap between Peter Withe leaving them and joining us as a player. So, likewise, If Hughton was successful at Villa his time there would be buried in the mists of time

[N'ZMAV]

I don't want Hughton, he's the sort the crowd would turn on too quickly, we need someone strong, with a real chance of staying in the job. Moyes for me.

[TonyD]

Houghton , Bruce or Moyes.   Please god No!!!  In the end it will be a choice we all missed.   Like Hughes or Gary Mac.

[pauliewalnuts]

If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.

Keep saying this but for me, if mcleish had been a really good manager rather than a grim doom merchant, taking him from them would have been a bonus.

[Toronto Villa]

If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.

Keep saying this but for me, if mcleish had been a really good manager rather than a grim doom merchant, taking him from them would have been a bonus.

Had he been really good they wouldn't have been relegated off course, and a bigger bonus that we did take him. As it was...