Manager for next season

[Tony Erdington]

At what point do you accept that the manager isnt the problem. They were all relatively successful before they took the Villa job. The problems are the owner and a squad of players who are either too lazy, too rich to care or simply incompetent. It doesnt matter who takes over the hot seat. Until the two problems are resolved (or at least one of them) any incoming manager will just be a temporary sticking plaster who will be discarded within 3 years to be replaced by another temporary fix.

ok you have a point.

but to attract a manager who actually knows the ins and out of the English game ie Moyes, Bruce and the like surely that would indicate a forward move because managers wouldn't get tied in to deals where they got done over like Remi.

[ASHTONVILLA]

Thought Houllier was a gamble that was worth it.  Lambert I really wanted.  Garde I thought was a decent idea based on what was said of his methods. 

On that basis Pearson I really don't want. So might be fine.  Although Garde and Houllier could not get their coaching team sorted straight away or their first choice so that might have something to do with it.

That's what worries me about Pearson. His coaching team are currently with a Champions League outfit (makes we want to puke saying that about Leicester), and are not likely to come. So I guess there is uncertainty about him getting a new team around him that works. That and the fact that he is a bit of a tool. Seems well regarded by the ex pros though.

Not sure about Moyes either, though he makes sense on paper.

I think I would like us to go for Grayson, who has a good record of promotions, and is doing well at PNE.

[Tony Erdington]

One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner, 
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football

 Sorry , but your Joking Right??

[Toronto Villa]

One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner, 
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football

Maybe but he's also less likely to change. Lambert arrived as one type of man and manager, left a different one and a broken man, looking like a destitute tramp. I think there's more chance Moyes getting to his happy place faster and staying there. In 3 or 4 years we can complain about never breaking the top 4, pissing about in mid table, half heartedly playing in the Europa, just falling short in the domestic cups.

[sickbeggar]

Like it or not, the new Manager has to get something out of the majority of the existing players because we can't replace 20 odd players or even half that amount. That's why Garde had to go because he couldn't. May seem an impossible task now but any of you who remember the last time we went down will recall how rotten we were then, and yet a lot of them returned the following season and with some new faces did well.  Just takes the right man...

[ozzjim]

I wonder if Pearson is the man, whether the board will also have some input into his choosing the coaching team. 

[curiousorange]

That's what I don't get about Lambert - even with a reduced budget, it must have been around what he had to work with in lower divisions, yet he seemed to have largely lost that ability at Villa. And it's not as if the budget buys themselves were responsible for it - his Norwich side looked much better than practically anything he managed at Villa. That's what convinces me the job was far too big for him. We all thought we were getting something much better at the time, for the budget we were working with.

[ChicagoLion]

One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner, 
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football

 Sorry , but your Joking Right??

no that's how I see it, Moyes is a very limited manager just like Lambert

[Toronto Villa]

You can be limited as a manager but be at a completely different level to someone else. Moyes' ceiling is much higher than Lambert's ever will be

[conman]

One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner, 
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football

 Sorry , but your Joking Right??

no that's how I see it, Moyes is a very limited manager just like Lambert

Although Lambert has got a team promotion to the premier league , thats something moyes has never done

[KevinGage]

Moyes has a track record of consistently getting a side into the top six over a decade on a limited budget and secured CL qualification.

What is Lambert's track record?

People slate his style of football too, but from about 2009 onwards, that Everton team became far more easy on the eye.

If Moyes is remotely interested, this is one occasion when there really should be just a shortlist of one.

But he would want guarantees and autonomy that a manager of his standing is probably right to expect.  So we'll no doubt opt for a  more malleable candidate.

[curiousorange]

I honestly don't think there's a realistic candidate Villa could choose who wouldn't disappoint compared to Moyes.

[conman]

Moyes has a track record of consistently getting a side into the top six over a decade on a limited budget and secured CL qualification.

What is Lambert's track record?

People slate his style of football too, but from about 2009 onwards, that Everton team became far more easy on the eye.

If Moyes is remotely interested, this is one occasion when there really should be just a shortlist of one.

But he would want guarantees and autonomy that a manager of his standing is probably right to expect.  So we'll no doubt opt for a  more malleable candidate.

I am sure he thinks highly of himself too which is why he will want to manage in the premier league next season

[Villaininexile]

I wonder if Pearson is the man, whether the board will also have some input into his choosing the coaching team.

Kofi Annan and Aung San Suu Kyi ?

[Concrete John]

Thought Houllier was a gamble that was worth it.  Lambert I really wanted.  Garde I thought was a decent idea based on what was said of his methods. 

On that basis Pearson I really don't want. So might be fine.  Although Garde and Houllier could not get their coaching team sorted straight away or their first choice so that might have something to do with it.

That's what worries me about Pearson. His coaching team are currently with a Champions League outfit (makes we want to puke saying that about Leicester), and are not likely to come. So I guess there is uncertainty about him getting a new team around him that works. That and the fact that he is a bit of a tool. Seems well regarded by the ex pros though.

Not sure about Moyes either, though he makes sense on paper.

I think I would like us to go for Grayson, who has a good record of promotions, and is doing well at PNE.

Thinking about, we now have Sir Brian on the board, who signed Grayson for both Leicester and Villa.  Have they still remained friends?

Might be worth a £10 at the bookies.