Manager for next season

[Toronto Villa]

I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here. Why is it that the Championship is the only division where "previous experience" is so vital? Nobody says it about the Premier League.

I don't understand it either. It's like you need some magic spell or ability to succeed there. English football is littered with managers who have failed in the PL who have succeeded in getting teams promoted to it.

[PeterWithesShin]

I'd fancy it's said by fans of clubs whatever division they are in. About manager and players. Got yourself promoted to the PL? We need to sign PL players. Relegated to division 4? We need a manager that knows the division. And so on. It's just one of those many lazy things a lot of fans, and pundits, will come out with.

[Steve R]

Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?

For what it is worth - a view from Goodison

Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.

He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.

His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.

In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.

He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:

The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.

Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:

All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?

Moyes at Everton always struck me as MON lite. His record with the youth at Everton wasn't that good, nor was his record for big money signings. He did seem capable of finding good value players in the 3-5 mill range though.

As a disciplinarian it is hard to say. One advantage he had with Everton that he almost certainly won't have with Villa is that he was able to ship out undesirables fairly easily.

We have already been through having an enlightened manager cross swords with senior players over professional standards only for them to outlast him - which resulted in then looking for a pragmatic manager who can 'get more out of what we already have'.

It didn't end well then and if that is in the brain's trust minds now it will almost certainly happen again.

[Toronto Villa]

For any manager coming into Villa the board needs to support player sales. Even at a huge discount. There are going to some poisonous players that no manager will want to destroy his chances of success. And the club will know just who they are.

[old man villa fan]

To be honest, other than Gray saying that Villa are a big club, he didn't say much. He ran through the list of candidates but, like all pundits these days, he did say X has these qualities or, more importantly, Y lacks these qualities. Pundits do not want to nail their colours to the mast for fear of upsetting people in the game.

There is no stand out candidate as I see it. As fans, we only know half of how a club runs and half of what a manager is really like. This is why most people judge a manager on results. We are unable to get under the skin and see exactly how it is.

The one thing that I don't agree on is that we should be solely focussing on getting out of the Championship next year. We have had too many one year plans recently and too many managers protecting their position with short term strategy at the expense of the clubs long term future.

Good future planning is made up of short, medium and long term strategy. In football and in our case, priority must be short term but without ignoring medium and long term. This is why I believe we should only be looking at candidates that can take us up but be good for 4 or more seasons back in the PL. Some of it may only be potential and not actual experience. Any of those experienced managers that have failed to hack it in the PL e.g. Bruce should be discarded. Short term manager appointments cost a lot of money as they all want to bring their own players in.

From recent seasons, it appears that teams get out of the Championship by attacking but having a sound defence. I would say Moyes but I do have reservations about the attacking side of his tactics. I am therefore undecided and will have to trust the Club who will have better inside knowledge than available to me.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010

Nicely said.

[Steve67]

Pearson is also thought of as an arrogant twat by people in the game. I am told by a very credible source that he isn't liked by other manager's as he is aloof and a bit of a knob.  That's all very well if you want to upset the current players, fair enough, but going forward, when said players are gone, we have to build properly and get players to be self disciplined and enjoying playing for this club.   I am more convinced than ever, after my conversation tonight that Pearson is NOT the man for Villa.   Despite the incredible escape with Leicester last season, I think his antics held them back. Now they are playing with unshackled freedom, look at them! No to Pearson.

[Villan For Life]

Just seen Part of Black's press conference on SSN when he spoke about Flabby.

He struck me as a no-nonsense disciplinarian and was very impressive. We've lacked someone like that for a long time.

I don't see him as manager and whoever gets the gig will bring their own team but he would be a valuable member of any backroon staff.

[aj2k77]

Black also said he made the decision to remove Onegoalayear from the squad.

[rob_bridge]

Anyone who has the ability to kick the following out of the club permanently - preferably head first:

Gabby
CNZ
Richards
Richardson
Lescott
Bacuna
Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Wesrwood

[PaulWinch again]

I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here. Why is it that the Championship is the only division where "previous experience" is so vital? Nobody says it about the Premier League.

Yep it's absolute nonsense. It's a tired cliche peddled out all the time that just seems to be accepted as fact.

[FiveKenMcNaughts]

Anyone who has the ability to kick the following out of the club permanently - preferably head first:

Gabby
CNZ
Richards
Richardson
Lescott
Bacuna
Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Wesrwood

Agree with some of those. Hutton, Clark and Westwood is about not having Premier League quality, not bad attitudes. Thing the attitudes need to go first, then look to remove those three later.

If we have a turnaround of 15 players out/up (assuming we lose the likes of Ayew, Veretout, Gana, Adama and someone like Gil, Sanchez or Amavi) we won't go up. Fulham did that a couple of years ago and it just doesn't work.

Key is getting rid of the toxic (Agree with top 5/6 of that list) and then working to improve the quality. The three of those could be okay squad players in that league. Even if they would need replacing were we to come up.

[godzvilla]

File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :

http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?

Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.

The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.

Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.

Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.

Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.

If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.

[in exile]

Yep

[Phil from the upper holte]

Pearson is also thought of as an arrogant twat by people in the game. I am told by a very credible source that he isn't liked by other manager's as he is aloof and a bit of a knob.  That's all very well if you want to upset the current players, fair enough, but going forward, when said players are gone, we have to build properly and get players to be self disciplined and enjoying playing for this club.   I am more convinced than ever, after my conversation tonight that Pearson is NOT the man for Villa.   Despite the incredible escape with Leicester last season, I think his antics held them back. Now they are playing with unshackled freedom, look at them! No to Pearson.

I think trying to upset players is a tactic that we've tried and failed on. Something new is required, A good man motivator