Manager for next season

[gpbarr]

Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.

I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.

They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.

Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.

They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.

[passport1]

Saunders certainly treated the press and media with contempt. They have that in common.I also recall reports of him hanging one on Howard Gayle after a night club incident in Solihull involving Saunders daughter. So the ability to punch someones lights out aswell is a common trait.

[chrisw1]

Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.

I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.

They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.

Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.

They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.

I've got an idea.  Why don't we try to alienate them as much as possible.  Maybe play them in the youth team and tell them they have no future at Villa.  They'll all be queuing up to leave we'll save a fortune in wages.  Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no one has thought of it before...

[ldavfc4eva]

Get Pearson in until the end of the season and if he keeps us up give him a 3 year deal. If we go down then he leaves no strings attached.

Or give sir Brian the job if we can't persuade the next incumbent to take the job now, I think using the last 6/7 games to assess the squad would be more useful now than in the summer as I'm sure whoever comes in will have to say "They all start with a clean slate" so may as well do it now so we can have a pre summer clear out and have the whole summer to rebuild and have a proper pre season.

[walsall villain]

Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.

I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.

They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.

Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.

They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.

I've got an idea.  Why don't we try to alienate them as much as possible.  Maybe play them in the youth team and tell them they have no future at Villa.  They'll all be queuing up to leave we'll save a fortune in wages.  Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no one has thought of it before...

That would be the N'Zogbia strategy.

[walsall villain]

In most walks of life you would leave as the humiliation would be too much, footballers are a different breed though.

[curlytailavfc]

Get Pearson in until the end of the season and if he keeps us up give him a 3 year deal. If we go down then he leaves no strings attached.

I would give him 20 million and he would be the new Jesus

[class-of-82]

If Pearson is the bullying type to of manager then maybe that's what. We want right now I'm sure he won't allow cliques to develop in the dressing room.
Just don't let his son go to Thailand or if he does can I go with him

[Mister E]

Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones. Garde patently obviously can't do that, so is dead man walking now.

I don't understand why you assert the bit in bold.
1. Several will get bought cos they're in demand (if only from the promoted clubs)
2. Some will have relegation clauses
3. One or two are on contracts that expire in July.

It's perfectly possible that the squad will be largely different, with a core from the current one. We will undoubtedly promote some of the youngsters from the reserves. Baker, Gardner and Robinson will return from loan periods away. And, the board will probably stump up some cash in the hope of an immediate return.

What does this mean for choice of new manager? - someone who has a good network for recruiting and someone who can bring a new squad together quickly and with an ethos of togetherness, hard work and desire to learn. And, someone who can coach the players to defend and exploit set pieces (something we've failed to do for 5-6 seasons).

[mr woo]

Valid point on Wm (for a change) which I totally agree with.


The choice of manager is going to be more important than than the amount of money they throw at the squad.

[gpbarr]

Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.

I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.

They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.

Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.

They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.

I've got an idea.  Why don't we try to alienate them as much as possible.  Maybe play them in the youth team and tell them they have no future at Villa.  They'll all be queuing up to leave we'll save a fortune in wages.  Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no one has thought of it before...

as opposed treating them like cup cakes and trying to massage their over inflated self worth. Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no-one has thought of it before ...

[mr woo]

Ah....the old carrot/stick argument.


Think it's accepted that the best form of management is a constantly altering percentage of both. Always judging how much to apply to each individual.


I'm pretty sure though that the best way of motivating your staff is not to sulk on the sidelines, avoid contact with your employees at critical periods constantly muttering negative comments about the hierarchy,  despite how they've let you down.

[brian green]

I like the notion of Pearson being Jesus.  Dead by Easter.

[Stirchley Villain]

Get Pearson in until the end of the season and if he keeps us up give him a 3 year deal. If we go down then he leaves no strings attached.

Or give sir Brian the job if we can't persuade the next incumbent to take the job now, I think using the last 6/7 games to assess the squad would be more useful now than in the summer as I'm sure whoever comes in will have to say "They all start with a clean slate" so may as well do it now so we can have a pre summer clear out and have the whole summer to rebuild and have a proper pre season.

No offence mate but have you been keeping up? The next manager with be trying to take us out of the championship without question. Pep couldn't keep us in the Premier League.

[cdward]

If Bielsa comes we really must get him a seat.

If Bielsa comes he can have any make of car he f***ing wants...