Manager for next season

[SamTheMouse]

Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.

[Mostinho II]

Remi Garde.

[gpbarr]

Remi Garde.

Is the correct answer. Until he has a chance to a) work with the board to create a cohesive plan, b) bring in a few players of his choosing, c) have a full off season to plan and prepare, and d) jettison those players not interested, it's a futile argument to judge his ability or otherwise.

I'm neither a fan nor a critic of his, but I am a fan and always will be of giving people (in football or life) a fair chance to show what they can do. And if they display class while doing so, the greater it is.

He simply has not been given that chance. Period. To compare him to our previous two managers, both of whom did have such chances, is ludicrous

[Ron Manager]

Lennons on sale again.

[mr underhill]

is that a misquote Ron from Life on Mars ?

[Ron Manager]

is that a misquote Ron from Life on Mars ?

It certainly is MU

[ozzjim]

I think with Amstrad becoming obsolete, having apparently clashed continually with Garde over signings in Jan, today COULD be seen a vote of confidence in Garde by the new men in charge, and a willingness to give him more of a say.

Interesting that they will be appointing a new sporting director. Like Soccer HQ said, the guy from Albion and England would be good. Interesting if that appointment is made with Garde in consultation.

[cheltenhamlion]

we don't need to pander to the media or people like Pat Murphy but presenting a friendlier face can work in our favour in how we are reported and perceived. Why make enemies where you don't have to?

Ain't that the truth. I have repeatedly beaten Fox about it. Will Hollis change it?

[Steve67]

we don't need to pander to the media or people like Pat Murphy but presenting a friendlier face can work in our favour in how we are reported and perceived. Why make enemies where you don't have to?

Ain't that the truth. I have repeatedly beaten Fox about it. Will Hollis change it?

Is this why they have appointed Brian Little?

[SoccerHQ]

Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.

Isn't it just assumed he's going to walk as soon as the season is over? It's looked to me the last few weeks that he's just playing out time here now like the players, understandble given the ridiculous way the club refused to sign anyone he wanted in the window.

Certainly if it's a choice between a long hard slog in the championship and a nice cushy job back home at Marseille or Bordeaux I think I know which one he'll take.

The championship is an odd odd league. Played in the same amount of time as the premier league but 8 extra games to cram in so it's constant Saturday- Tuesday so less recovery which breeds inconsistancy and so you get bonkers results like Charlton 2-0 Boro and Derby being 3-0 up at a Rotherham side in the bottom 3 with 10 minutes left and still not winning the game.

In 2014 Fulham and Cardiff were both relegated from the premier league. One had Felix Mgarth, twice Bundesliga winner and the other had Solsjkaer who could've easily been our manager. Neither lasted until October. Mgarth got it completely wrong aswell, just though playing a bunch of kids, Scott Parker and McCormack was enough to get out of the league, think Fulham lost 7 of their first 8.

Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.

It's going to be a long struggle ahead I fear, I would prefer someone who's been in the championship trenches and will know what to expect.

Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.

[SheffieldVillain]

Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.

Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.

Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.

Isn't that a bit inconsistent? Karanka dismissed because he couldn't get Boro over the line in two and a half seasons (and he may well still do it this year), but Pearson should be considered after taking three seasons to get Leicester (four if you include his season at Hull) over the line?

Edit:
Also he didn't finish in the top six every time as far as I can see?
9-10 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
10-11 - 11th (Hull)
11-12 - 9th
12-13 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
13-14 - Champions
14-15 - Narrowly avoided relegation from Premier

I don't see what makes him a 'must consider' there.

[KevinGage]

Unless he undergoes a full frontal lobotomy, I don't think Moyes will be throwing himself at us anytime soon.

[SoccerHQ]

Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.

Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.

Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.

Isn't that a bit inconsistent? Karanka dismissed because he couldn't get Boro over the line in two and a half seasons (and he may well still do it this year), but Pearson should be considered after taking three seasons to get Leicester (four if you include his season at Hull) over the line?

Edit:
Also he didn't finish in the top six every time as far as I can see?
9-10 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
10-11 - 11th (Hull)
11-12 - 9th
12-13 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
13-14 - Champions
14-15 - Narrowly avoided relegation from Premier

I don't see what makes him a 'must consider' there.

09-10 they'd just been promoted from league one so that was a very good achievement.

Didn't work out for him at Hull.

He didn't have a full season in 11/12, Eriksson spent a shed load on the squad and didn't achieve much.

I didn't want us to appoint Pearson in the premier league, Garde was well worth a go at that point. I'm just saying with his record he has to be given consideration for what will be a championship club very shortly.

Now his character is a very different question.

[SheffieldVillain]

Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.

Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.

Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.

Isn't that a bit inconsistent? Karanka dismissed because he couldn't get Boro over the line in two and a half seasons (and he may well still do it this year), but Pearson should be considered after taking three seasons to get Leicester (four if you include his season at Hull) over the line?

Edit:
Also he didn't finish in the top six every time as far as I can see?
9-10 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
10-11 - 11th (Hull)
11-12 - 9th
12-13 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
13-14 - Champions
14-15 - Narrowly avoided relegation from Premier

I don't see what makes him a 'must consider' there.

09-10 they'd just been promoted from league one so that was a very good achievement.

Didn't work out for him at Hull.

He didn't have a full season in 11/12, Eriksson spent a shed load on the squad and didn't achieve much.

I didn't want us to appoint Pearson in the premier league, Garde was well worth a go at that point. I'm just saying with his record he has to be given consideration for what will be a championship club very shortly.

Sorry, I don't think you can exclude the seasons which disprove your argument because it didn't work out for him or he didn't have a full season.  He didn't finish in the top 6 every year - fact. Either way, his record is having got one team promoted, once, from the Championship after years of trying. 

[mr woo]

 

Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship?

Because.

a)  he has no experience of that league whatsoever.

b) he has no prior evidence of identifying or building a team from the lower leagues to get promoted. In any country.

c) he has proven himself to be incapable of motivating the players we have, many of whom (the shittest ones) will STILL BE THERE whether you like it or not.




I still can't believe so many people have their fingers in their ears and their eyes clamped shut. Remi Garde came here in difficult circumstances we all accept, but he had two thirds of a season to make a difference. And fair play to him, he has, he's actually made us look worse than Tim Sherwood did.

The sooner he sulks off back to France the better. I don't blame him necessarily but the people who thought giving an inexperienced foreigner the task of dragging this lot off the foot of the table was a good idea are the real culprits in all this. They should not only hang their heads in shame, they should be paying for it with their jobs.