Summer 2016: Transfer rumours and suggestions

[chrisw1]

Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point.  Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now?  To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful?  It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

[Risso]

We'll be reacquainted with Macheda this season.

[ldavfc4eva]

Not linked with us but Burnley have had a £3 million bid rejected for Jeff Hendrick, not a bad player for a million more if we could shift Westwood to Burnley for a similar fee.

[Toronto Villa]

Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point.  Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now?  To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful?  It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

[tomd2103]

Quite a few rumours online tonight about the club being in for Jonathan Kodjia at Bristol City. Scored a fair-few goals in a struggling side last season by all accounts.

That said, as others have mentioned, we currently have 4 senior strikers in the squad, so would be surprised if we bring in another before letting at least one go.

See I think someone like him would be a more realistic target than some of the names mentioned, as would be the Forest player mentioned in an earlier post.  We could really do with this season's Andre Grey or Callum Wilson.

[Malandro]

Yes because what a player who has played in the Premier League and scored goals, got a move to one if the top English clubs, broke into the national set-up will be thinking is, "I need to get back to the level that earned me a move to Liverpool and England recognition. I know what is best for my career at this point, a year in the Championship".

Come on. It's ludicrous to even consider it.

And what if he disappears after his breakthrough season? It's not like that hasn't happened before to others. And I would argue that it is one of the many reasons why England will never again win another tournament because young players accept sitting on the bench too readily. That playing regular football and learning your trade is somehow beneath them. Rashford might be the opposite and he might break into the Man U team and keep his spot. But there's plenty of evidence to support he notion that season 2 is a lot harder than the first and he might regress in his development at a time we would all hope as supporters of our national program he improves.

Yes he might go backwards. Second season and all that but players don't know that unless they have a go. Liverpool and Ings will be hoping that he gets up to fitness and pushes on. I doubt either them or he are in anyway contemplating a year of dropping his standards. Maybe in January or next summer, but now? No point.

The thing is, you've used the words 'deluded and ludicrous'. You're almost making it sound like we're discussing Lionel Messi.

Precisely. It's Marcus Rashford we are discussing or Danny Ings. When I think Rashford I see Macheda who was brilliant for a bit and then ended up disappearing from his early lofty heights. Rashford is 18, played 11 times for Man U and broke into the England set up as much because others around him were injured and because frankly our options as a nation up front are awful. There is no doubt he has done well, but he has a long way to go before cementing himself as a regular at PL or national team level.

That's not the point.  Why on earth would either contemplate dropping a division now?  To pre-empt them becoming shit rather than actually doing their best to be successful?  It's frankly a ridiculous debate and I think the word deluded is perfectly appropriate.

If you think it's ludicrous then don't engage in the debate. What's ludicrous is that an 18 year old player who is good and has had a good start to his career but hardly much more is being heralded as so much more than that. And that he is so amazing that he shouldn't consider career development outside of the PL, or that we have such a low self esteem that it shouldn't even be contemplated. That we should set our targets much, much lower than that.

The whole point of me mentioning his name is that players like Rashford, with the introduction of a manager like Mourinho might see his playing time curtailed. Add to the fact it is his second season and teams will be wiser to his presence. Young players suffer dips in form and confidence. We shouldn't so readily dismiss that this might happen and a move to a club like us who should have a good season in a lower tier might be a good thing, versus struggling to get noticed or joining a side at the arse end of the PL. Bloody hell you'd think I suggested a loan for Danny Welbeck or another fringe but established English PL player.

Manchester United's best prospect on loan? Come on! More likely than not he will have limited game time but he'll be sat on their bench.

[Toronto Villa]

It's not something would happen right now. Rashford is going to feel he has every chance to prove himself. But once the season is underway it might start to emerge that he isn't getting the playing time he wants. It might be a January thing. I'm just saying not to summarily dismiss it. This is a side that is going to spend hundreds of millions on new talent to bridge the gap to make a run at the title.

[mr underhill]

with respect, if Rashford were to be loaned out,  there would be lots of clubs ahead of us in what would be a lengthy queue

[Stirchley Villain]

No chance of Rashford. Or Ings for that matter.

[A Northern Soul]

SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana

[johnny from donny]

SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana

Just saw on their website that they've opened talks with Villa after triggering the release clause. If they've triggered the clause, what else are they in talks over? Instalments maybe?

[tomd2103]

SSN reporting Marseille have triggered a £7.1m release clause for Gana

That's less than we paid for him isn't it?  Surely even the previous set up wouldn't have been that stupid?

[oldhill_avfc]

Still more than he's worth.  Snap their hands off.

[Ads]

In line with the wage deduction he will have taken.  Plus he's crap.

[cdbearsfan]

I like him and I think he'll get better. I won't be crying if we get  £7.1 million though.