Gabby

[rob_bridge]

I have often contemplated that concept Rob.  There has to come a time when the Bosman pendulum swings back to a less player favouring position.

I'd say it's already swinging back thanks to the TV money.

Take Berahino - two transfer windows now that Albion have been turning down bids of £20m+ for a player desperate to leave and with only a year left on his contract.

That would have been unthinkable even as recently as a few years ago.

He's playing with a smile on his face now so it wouldn't shock me if a deal as already been done and he knows he's off in the summer.

Apparently it has been - they said as much on 5live yesterday

[robbo1874]

Don't tell me... A big payday at VP next season. I really hate these ******

[anton hillman]

Under  normal work situations, it's possible to performance manage people out the door. Maybe worth a try with some of our shitter players and could set a precedent to reign in some of the power from the players back to the clubs. Likely to end up in the courts, but worth a gamble I reckon.

Absolutely! It's common practice in all well run organisations to instigate disciplinary proceedings against poor performing employees. I've seen it done on many occasions. If they don't improve after being given three chances out they go. Managers attend courses on how to do this. Surely there is a cast iron case for the Villa to begin disciplinary action against the worst of these poor performers and begin the process of managing them out the door or forcing them to show some commitment. If they don't like it, let them take the club to an employment tribunal. Just because they are on 50K a week doesn't give them any special rights over other employees, surely?

[PaulWinch again]

Under  normal work situations, it's possible to performance manage people out the door. Maybe worth a try with some of our shitter players and could set a precedent to reign in some of the power from the players back to the clubs. Likely to end up in the courts, but worth a gamble I reckon.

Absolutely! It's common practice in all well run organisations to instigate disciplinary proceedings against poor performing employees. I've seen it done on many occasions. If they don't improve after being given three chances out they go. Managers attend courses on how to do this. Surely there is a cast iron case for the Villa to begin disciplinary action against the worst of these poor performers and begin the process of managing them out the door or forcing them to show some commitment. If they don't like it, let them take the club to an employment tribunal. Just because they are on 50K a week doesn't give them any special rights over other employees, surely?

In theory that'd be lovely, but two things come to mind. Firstly it's one thing for the fans to say players aren't trying, and clearly some of them aren't, but legally proving that a tribunal would be impossible. If they turn up for training and the play when asked they're 'doing their job'. Secondly earning thousands of pounds a week might not but you anymore rights, but it can buy you a very good lawyer who would win their case hands down. It's annoying, but those parasitic players hold all the cards. Also to an extent the club has itself to blame, they gave Agbonlahor a new deal.

[anton hillman]

Under  normal work situations, it's possible to performance manage people out the door. Maybe worth a try with some of our shitter players and could set a precedent to reign in some of the power from the players back to the clubs. Likely to end up in the courts, but worth a gamble I reckon.

Absolutely! It's common practice in all well run organisations to instigate disciplinary proceedings against poor performing employees. I've seen it done on many occasions. If they don't improve after being given three chances out they go. Managers attend courses on how to do this. Surely there is a cast iron case for the Villa to begin disciplinary action against the worst of these poor performers and begin the process of managing them out the door or forcing them to show some commitment. If they don't like it, let them take the club to an employment tribunal. Just because they are on 50K a week doesn't give them any special rights over other employees, surely?

In theory that'd be lovely, but two things come to mind. Firstly it's one thing for the fans to say players aren't trying, and clearly some of them aren't, but legally proving that a tribunal would be impossible. If they turn up for training and the play when asked they're 'doing their job'. Secondly earning thousands of pounds a week might not but you anymore rights, but it can buy you a very good lawyer who would win their case hands down. It's annoying, but those parasitic players hold all the cards. Also to an extent the club has itself to blame, they gave Agbonlahor a new deal.

I understand that proving it might be problematic, as quantifying acceptable on pitch performance could be subjective if not properly evidenced. However, if the manager has a game plan that is communicated to players and they choose to ignore it and simply stroll around the pitch in aimless fashion as we saw on Saturday, then to challenge that refusal to follow a workplace instruction would make a charge of poor performance possible. I'm sure that there would be sufficient video evidence to support such a charge in the current on pitch situation at Villa. After all, the principle of 'beyond all reasonable doubt' doesn't apply in workplace disciplinary situation as it does in a court of law. What is in question is 'Couldn't they do it?' or 'Wouldn't they do it?'. I think we know what answer applies to the lazy gits currently wearing the Villa shirt.

[eamonn]

Better Call Saul.

[MillerBall]

There were a couple of occasions in the game at Man City when Gabby looked like he might be on the move but then after a moment of calm reflection he opted to play "plump statues" and remained on the spot. It did confuse the City defenders since they had expected something different and it took a while for them to realise this was not a "cunning ploy."

[dicedlam]

There were a couple of occasions in the game at Man City when Gabby looked like he might be on the move but then after a moment of calm reflection he opted to play "plump statues" and remained on the spot. It did confuse the City defenders since they had expected something different and it took a while for them to realise this was not a "cunning ploy."

I've seen faster moving glaciers.

[lordmcgrath5]

Under  normal work situations, it's possible to performance manage people out the door. Maybe worth a try with some of our shitter players and could set a precedent to reign in some of the power from the players back to the clubs. Likely to end up in the courts, but worth a gamble I reckon.

Absolutely! It's common practice in all well run organisations to instigate disciplinary proceedings against poor performing employees. I've seen it done on many occasions. If they don't improve after being given three chances out they go. Managers attend courses on how to do this. Surely there is a cast iron case for the Villa to begin disciplinary action against the worst of these poor performers and begin the process of managing them out the door or forcing them to show some commitment. If they don't like it, let them take the club to an employment tribunal. Just because they are on 50K a week doesn't give them any special rights over other employees, surely?

In theory that'd be lovely, but two things come to mind. Firstly it's one thing for the fans to say players aren't trying, and clearly some of them aren't, but legally proving that a tribunal would be impossible. If they turn up for training and the play when asked they're 'doing their job'. Secondly earning thousands of pounds a week might not but you anymore rights, but it can buy you a very good lawyer who would win their case hands down. It's annoying, but those parasitic players hold all the cards. Also to an extent the club has itself to blame, they gave Agbonlahor a new deal.

Sadly, I fear you may be right on this. It hurts though, doesn't it?

[Ron Manager]

I should know this but I don't. Has Agbonlahor had a testimonial yet? Do testimonials still exist for long serving members on the playing side?

[old man villa fan]

There were a couple of occasions in the game at Man City when Gabby looked like he might be on the move but then after a moment of calm reflection he opted to play "plump statues" and remained on the spot. It did confuse the City defenders since they had expected something different and it took a while for them to realise this was not a "cunning ploy."

Gabby, master of cunning stunts.  Or something like that.

[ADVILLAFAN]

The house looks horrible from the outside, but is more tastefully decorated inside than I expected from Gabby.

[john e]

Does anyone know if Gabby has a red Ferrari with plate ending with GA ?

[robbyfvillain]

Under  normal work situations, it's possible to performance manage people out the door. Maybe worth a try with some of our shitter players and could set a precedent to reign in some of the power from the players back to the clubs. Likely to end up in the courts, but worth a gamble I reckon.

Absolutely! It's common practice in all well run organisations to instigate disciplinary proceedings against poor performing employees. I've seen it done on many occasions. If they don't improve after being given three chances out they go. Managers attend courses on how to do this. Surely there is a cast iron case for the Villa to begin disciplinary action against the worst of these poor performers and begin the process of managing them out the door or forcing them to show some commitment. If they don't like it, let them take the club to an employment tribunal. Just because they are on 50K a week doesn't give them any special rights over other employees, surely?

In theory that'd be lovely, but two things come to mind. Firstly it's one thing for the fans to say players aren't trying, and clearly some of them aren't, but legally proving that a tribunal would be impossible. If they turn up for training and the play when asked they're 'doing their job'. Secondly earning thousands of pounds a week might not but you anymore rights, but it can buy you a very good lawyer who would win their case hands down. It's annoying, but those parasitic players hold all the cards. Also to an extent the club has itself to blame, they gave Agbonlahor a new deal.

Sadly, I fear you may be right on this. It hurts though, doesn't it?

This is true but you could use measurables so for example each player could be weighed have their body fat index taken etc. Set targets to reach within a fair timeframe and then monitored on an ongoing basis. The opta index for the number of yards covered during a match could be another etc. Take out the opinion and try to stick with facts.

It would however be better to get the players onside as the consequence of going down this road could have far reaching long term effects particularly in signing new players.

[PaulWinch again]

Ignoring the character aspect Agbonlahor should look at Vardy and think this is exactly what I could be if I bothered to get into shape and try.