McGrath right as Div 3 beckons

[Richard E]

Can we have a dedicated thread where everyone can call each other all the [expletive deleted to get round the office word filter] they want with no recriminations? It could be very cathartic.

No no no, this is a friendly forum.

Anyone want a biscuit?

[Bad English]

Yes, add the name as a sig.

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[saunders_heroes]

In order for us to come straight back up we must somehow stop being a losing club and magically transform ourselves into a winning one. We have no idea which players will stay, or what manager we'll have.

We do know that we'll most likely still have our feckless, stupid, negligent owner. Under him we've done nothing but fall apart for the last five years, so why would any of us believe that things will somehow change just because we're in a lower division? If anything that means less money and more austerity. My fear is that the same incompetence, arrogance and complacency will prevail regardless of which league we're stinking out. Sadly, despite five years of worsening garbage, some fans still haven't woken up and smelled the horseshit.

Agree 100%. I keep hearing stuff from fans who think relegation would be the catalyst for a rebirth and a glorious return to the PL. How are people coming to this conclusion? We'll still have the same feckless moron owner who doesn't give a shit about us and probably even worse players than we have now.
Sadly I think we're in for an extended stay in the lower leagues unless something drastic happens like change in ownership in fact that's the only thing I think that will change our fortunes as a club.
What an absolute mess this club is.

[Villafirst]

In order for us to come straight back up we must somehow stop being a losing club and magically transform ourselves into a winning one. We have no idea which players will stay, or what manager we'll have.

We do know that we'll most likely still have our feckless, stupid, negligent owner. Under him we've done nothing but fall apart for the last five years, so why would any of us believe that things will somehow change just because we're in a lower division? If anything that means less money and more austerity. My fear is that the same incompetence, arrogance and complacency will prevail regardless of which league we're stinking out. Sadly, despite five years of worsening garbage, some fans still haven't woken up and smelled the horseshit.

Agree 100%. I keep hearing stuff from fans who think relegation would be the catalyst for a rebirth and a glorious return to the PL. How are people coming to this conclusion? We'll still have the same feckless moron owner who doesn't give a shit about us and probably even worse players than we have now.
Sadly I think we're in for an extended stay in the lower leagues unless something drastic happens like change in ownership in fact that's the only thing I think that will change our fortunes as a club.
What an absolute mess this club is.

Ask fans of Wigan, Coventry, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Bradford etc., if it's easy to come straight back up. We need another SGT to stand any chance preferably under new ownership. The current buffoons in charge will see us in League One in a flash. Nigel Pearson would be the kind of no-nonsense Manager we need; Garde seems too weak and the players are simply taking the piss.

[Richard E]

I honestly think I'd rather be in League One than have a psycho like Nigel Pearson as Manager.

[Villafirst]

I honestly think I'd rather be in League One than have a psycho like Nigel Pearson as Manager.

Who would you suggest then?

[Chris Harte]

Ask fans of Wigan, Coventry, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Bradford etc.

This is my fear as well. Many have fallen, with proclamations of "we'll be back" who haven't been seen in a long time.

Losing mentality, evidence that the players don't give a fuck (Lescott's new Merc, I'm not dumb enough to buy into the accidental post nonsense), a chairman who can't sell/won't sell/is having too much fun with the club to sell (delete as you think applicable) and a whole board of people who, Mervyn King aside, probably have a sketchy at best knowledge of the club's history and it's place in the game.

After finally having had any realistic hope of seeing the club I support escape the drop at the hands of a very ordinary Liverpool side who barely got our of second gear yesterday, I feel that people believing we would be favourites for promotion must be mad.

As it was said elsewhere, this club will need another Sir Graham to get us out of this mess. Randy Lerner probably couldn't find his arsehole in a darkened room, never mind a saviour.

[Richard E]

I honestly think I'd rather be in League One than have a psycho like Nigel Pearson as Manager.

Who would you suggest then?

For the moment I would stick with Garde. As and when there is a vacancy I can think of plenty of competent managers who I'd want us to look at before we came to a nutter like Pearson - Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche, Howe, Clement and that's even without looking overseas. It's noticeable no-one has touched Pearson with a bargepole since he got the heave-ho from Leicester.

[Risso]

I couldn't have anything to do with a club managed by Pearson.

[bob]

In reply to Ron Manager, I always sign everything, and with my real name. I don't think its a sign of being important, since AVISA I have not represented any fan group - if it irritates you I will stop it. I read the rules when I came onto the site and as far as I can see there is no rule against doing so.

but if it annoys you, I will not sign this one.

Don't go changing, trevor. I like it.

[simboy]

Moyes is the obvious replacement if we are going to get rid of Garde. He did well at Everton as well as PNE with a limited budget. If [when] we get relegated there is going to be the need for us to have our Taylor overhaul. A man who commands respect within the game, can see us as his project and with the time perhaps to allow the fear of the board engendered by O'Neill to be negated

[ChicagoLion]

Moyes is the obvious replacement if we are going to get rid of Garde. He did well at Everton as well as PNE with a limited budget. If [when] we get relegated there is going to be the need for us to have our Taylor overhaul. A man who commands respect within the game, can see us as his project and with the time perhaps to allow the fear of the board engendered by O'Neill to be negated

Why would Moyes want to join us with the idiots we have running the show?

[simboy]

I didn't say he would. I said he was an obvious replacement, at least in my eyes.

Now what the board think and i think will no doubt be very different. Personally I think we are a mess of a club, a proud history with a very overcast future, in fact its p*ssing down from what I see. 

[postal]

I think its more likely that Garde will get rid of us - and I wouldn't blame him or be surprised if he walked.
Why would his preferred backroom staff want to come and join him here?

But I don't think he has it to cope next year.

If we manage to be a solid top half Championship table team next year, I'll take it.

[fredm]

With the present owner/directors/management team still in place, I cannot see any decent manager who has credits to his name coming anywhere near VP.  It needs a gigantic turnaround in outlook and responsibilities of the management team for any progress to be made on the field.  Leaders must be found from somewhere and that is one aspect that they have been completely overlooking for the last 5 years.