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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: trevor fisher on February 14, 2016, 10:19:16 PM
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The defeat today is not just a humiliation, its confirmation of something Paul McGrath said a couple of months ago. This club could go straight through the championship into Division 3. League one my foot. Its where we were in 1970. While today is the first 0-6 defeat at home since 1983 (the year after we won the European cup - achievement wrecked by the chair. And how things have changed....) its more than that.
Clearly the squad was poor under Sherwood and got worse under Garde, but it is at the top that we need to look for the problems. Not backing Garde in the January window was a vote of no confidence. So why? Perhaps a way to force him to resign so the pay off doesn't happen? As all the managers under LErner have been paid off, the fault is of course with him. He appoints donkeys. And with the manager donkey, they then have to work under people who don't understand football.
Last post I did, I was backing Garde but now think he may have to resign to save his reputation. No one can blame him. Any football club that has no football nous and appoints bankers to the board when they need football experts is showing that money is more valuable than skill. But they are donkeys too, as the big money is about to come in and they are throwing it away. Then Lescott seems to have gone public on his new Mercedes. Folly, but Lescott knows how good football clubs are run and can see the rot at this one. Division 3 is not inevitable, though the Championship does seem inevitable, but the big questions are not about what happens on the pitch. Its sad that fans don't get more involved in the boardroom politics. Villa is a classic example of being run by a man with more money than sense. If McGrath can see what is happening, however, how come the fans generally don't get the messge?
Trevor Fisher.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
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It was 2-6 in 1983. A month later we lost 5-2 at Notts Co.
PWS
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cant be bother anymoe 50 watching good ti8me bad times
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Daft. There is the basis of a decent squad. The majority of these players have spent their time in the PL staying up. Even as piss-poor PL players, they should manage Championship standards with ease. Other's like Gestede have done it in the Championship level. Most of them aren't over the hill, so given the right manager we should be able to form a team out of the debris that will challenge at least the play-offs and with the right additions, and fucking off the likes of Bacuna, we should at least be competitive
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If McGrath can see what is happening, however, how come the fans generally don't get the messge?
I am pretty sure the fans generally do get the message, thanks though.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
I have one tomorrow and I have a massive gape-on if you're free? x
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Do you ever come on here without criticising somebody?
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Is nobody talking to you on TBAR? Poor baby DC5 has to come back on to H&V for some attention.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Do you ever come on here without criticising somebody?
No. I just follow your example.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Do you ever come on here without criticising somebody?
No. I just follow your example.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Is nobody talking to you on TBAR? Poor baby DC5 has to come back on to H&V for some attention.
You obnoxious cretin, TV.
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DC5 just out of curiosity. Do you fancy me? You seem to be my stalker. Listen each to their own and such, but I'm happily married mate and I like girls. Just thought I'd get it out in the open so it doesn't become, you know, awkward later.
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We could do with this thread not being hijacked for handbags. It's dull. Just saying...
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Is nobody talking to you on TBAR? Poor baby DC5 has to come back on to H&V for some attention.
It's all very childish.
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You obnoxious cretin, TV.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Is nobody talking to you on TBAR? Poor baby DC5 has to come back on to H&V for some attention.
It's all very childish.
Yes I agree. For someone to come on here and take a pot shot at another poster for no reason at all is very childish.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Is nobody talking to you on TBAR? Poor baby DC5 has to come back on to H&V for some attention.
It's all very childish.
Yes I agree. For someone to come on here and take a pot shot at another poster for no reason at all is very childish.
Rise above it then, rather than to post even more childish nonsense.
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We could do with this thread not being hijacked for handbags. It's dull. Just saying...
Handbags? You big birkin
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can see lower league football for a number of years at the moment. VP to me is starting to take on a Bains Motel motif
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Daft. There is the basis of a decent squad. The majority of these players have spent their time in the PL staying up. Even as piss-poor PL players, they should manage Championship standards with ease. Other's like Gestede have done it in the Championship level. Most of them aren't over the hill, so given the right manager we should be able to form a team out of the debris that will challenge at least the play-offs and with the right additions, and fucking off the likes of Bacuna, we should at least be competitive
On the evidence I've seen. This team will be lucky to hit mid table at best.
How many of this squad are battle hardened for the Championship? Not many.
I don't see anything in that team. Like the ground now its an empty shell.
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I've said this to you before SH. If someone takes a direct shot at you then you don't stand idly by. You certainly wouldn't have.
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If everyone could calm down so as we don't have to ban anyone else that would be splendid thank you.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Is nobody talking to you on TBAR? Poor baby DC5 has to come back on to H&V for some attention.
It's all very childish.
Yes I agree. For someone to come on here and take a pot shot at another poster for no reason at all is very childish.
Rise above it then, rather than to post even more childish nonsense.
I think you might have had a pop back if someone called you obnoxious in fairness.
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can see lower league football for a number of years at the moment. VP to me is starting to take on a Bains Motel motif
That's the worry. I think people who believe we'll bounce straight back are gonna be on for a shock.
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Are Derby in League 2? We battered them 6-0 at their place a few seasons ago. How many clubs that have been relegated went on to be relegated again the following season? Very few if any. I'm not taking our situation lightly but it's complete nonsense that we are somehow about collapse into a football equivalent of a black hole.
Do you ever have a day off?
Is nobody talking to you on TBAR? Poor baby DC5 has to come back on to H&V for some attention.
It's all very childish.
Yes I agree. For someone to come on here and take a pot shot at another poster for no reason at all is very childish.
Rise above it then, rather than to post even more childish nonsense.
I think you might have had a pop back if someone called you obnoxious in fairness.
Maybe so, but what's with the "I'm straight' routine? Touch of homophobia about it.
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It's directed at someone who now on a few occasions seems to be infatuated with me as opposed to my posts. He could easily have debated what I said, disagreed entirely with it but immediately has gone in for an unprovoked personal attack. It happened a few weeks ago too to which again you came out and said the same thing as you are saying now SH. Don't make yourself out to be someone who lets things go. You would have reacted every bit as strongly if someone had a go personally.
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Back on topic or the thread gets locked.
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Can we leave it there please folks. I've already asked very nicely.
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We will brass the second division up no worries. Whether we can stay up in 2017/18 though, who knows.
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Daft. There is the basis of a decent squad. The majority of these players have spent their time in the PL staying up. Even as piss-poor PL players, they should manage Championship standards with ease. Other's like Gestede have done it in the Championship level. Most of them aren't over the hill, so given the right manager we should be able to form a team out of the debris that will challenge at least the play-offs and with the right additions, and fucking off the likes of Bacuna, we should at least be competitive
On the evidence I've seen. This team will be lucky to hit mid table at best.
How many of this squad are battle hardened for the Championship? Not many.
I don't see anything in that team. Like the ground now its an empty shell.
Don't agree. We're not that much worse than Norwich who got in the play-offs and up last season. Obviously any player on their current form is going to struggle to do well in the championship but a lot of that is confidence. ok some like Bacuna are going to struggle to make the grade in Div3, but the rest......given a few additions, i think will be up there. I'm not a fan of baker and clark but they are definetely a decent centre half pair for the championship even with their limitations. who stays out of lescott and the rest. think they all could do a job in the championship. What we are left with is the big question but looking at the average players on lower wages who are more likely to stay and probably the better attitudes to being out of the PL, I'm not as worried as some
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Teams that get promoted seem to have something approaching a unity from top to bottom. We have nothing like that with the owner having seemingly lost interest and no idea who the manager will be in six months.
Not always, Newcastle would be an exception. They're also a club where the owner is despised. But they weren't particularly close to relegation in the seasons preceding their drop. So you could put it down to one bad season caused by incessant bad managerial appointments.
Better Villa sides (ie ones containing Benteke and Quisling) have struggled for years. There is no guarantee whatsoever that we'd be immediate contenders to go back up.
Does that mean we'll sink to Division Three? Probably not. But every time I think we've hit rock bottom... we get worse. So who knows?
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The so called cleanse just won't happen. We will still have O'Reilly selecting the players which Lerner will refuse to fork out for. Hollis trying to purge and Fox trying to sell the shirts. The only planning that will take place is for the inevitable removal of anyone at the club who earns more than five shillings and a ha'penny a week. The club is a joke and will only plan for a reduction in outgoings rather that a robust plan to get back up to the Premier league. Division 3 is a stretch though.
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I've been watching the Championship on Sky since Octoberish to see what the [cliché on] "most competitive league in the world" [cliché off] looks like.
It looks shite. Admittedly Leeds are on every other week, but even the good sides are shite.
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The way to stop the slide is being ruthless, the club rolls their sleeves up and work hard. There is no easy, half-hearted approach to this. You draw a line and say we are not going below it and bring in the resources to do so. We have too many nice/weak players. Go out a buy a strong spine to the team, not pretty but effective.
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Until we know who will be here, from top to bottom of the club, we have no way of knowing how we will fare next season.
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I've been watching the Championship on Sky since Octoberish to see what the [cliché on] "most competitive league in the world" [cliché off] looks like.
It looks shite. Admittedly Leeds are on every other week, but even the good sides are shite.
We might fit in nicely then.
I see at the least 12 organised units. Hard working players. Established Championship teams.
I can see Westwood, Bacuna etc just passing sideways every Saturday afternoon and every Tuesday evening.
Still going though.
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a general request - if anyone knows what meds curlytailavfc is on, can they please PM me
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The defeat today is not just a humiliation, its confirmation of something Paul McGrath said a couple of months ago. This club could go straight through the championship into Division 3. League one my foot. Its where we were in 1970. While today is the first 0-6 defeat at home since 1983 (the year after we won the European cup - achievement wrecked by the chair. And how things have changed....) its more than that.
Clearly the squad was poor under Sherwood and got worse under Garde, but it is at the top that we need to look for the problems. Not backing Garde in the January window was a vote of no confidence. So why? Perhaps a way to force him to resign so the pay off doesn't happen? As all the managers under LErner have been paid off, the fault is of course with him. He appoints donkeys. And with the manager donkey, they then have to work under people who don't understand football.
Last post I did, I was backing Garde but now think he may have to resign to save his reputation. No one can blame him. Any football club that has no football nous and appoints bankers to the board when they need football experts is showing that money is more valuable than skill. But they are donkeys too, as the big money is about to come in and they are throwing it away. Then Lescott seems to have gone public on his new Mercedes. Folly, but Lescott knows how good football clubs are run and can see the rot at this one. Division 3 is not inevitable, though the Championship does seem inevitable, but the big questions are not about what happens on the pitch. Its sad that fans don't get more involved in the boardroom politics. Villa is a classic example of being run by a man with more money than sense. If McGrath can see what is happening, however, how come the fans generally don't get the messge?
Trevor Fisher.
May l respectively suggest Trevor that you do not sign each post with your name.We know who you are it appears at the top of your post,For some reason I find this deeply irritating. Do you think you are important or something?
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In reply to Ron Manager, I always sign everything, and with my real name. I don't think its a sign of being important, since AVISA I have not represented any fan group - if it irritates you I will stop it. I read the rules when I came onto the site and as far as I can see there is no rule against doing so.
but if it annoys you, I will not sign this one.
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In reply to Ron Manager, I always sign everything, and with my real name. I don't think its a sign of being important, since AVISA I have not represented any fan group - if it irritates you I will stop it. I read the rules when I came onto the site and as far as I can see there is no rule against doing so.
but if it annoys you, I will not sign this one.
Thank you Trevor.
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a very annoying habit? No I don't think so Ron.
Mr Underhill
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I hate to say this that side is so bad if we do not change all the side by next season( will not happen :-( ) i think we will go down again and maybe a lot of years before we are back in the top division.
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We will brass the second division up no worries. Whether we can stay up in 2017/18 though, who knows.
Long time no see General K!
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I've never thought we'd bounce straight back as some have because of how poor we are. The 3 relegated blind last season are all a lot better than this team and QPR are mid table.
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We will brass the second division up no worries. Whether we can stay up in 2017/18 though, who knows.
Long time no see General K!
Wasn't he Danger Mouse's boss?
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In order for us to come straight back up we must somehow stop being a losing club and magically transform ourselves into a winning one. We have no idea which players will stay, or what manager we'll have.
We do know that we'll most likely still have our feckless, stupid, negligent owner. Under him we've done nothing but fall apart for the last five years, so why would any of us believe that things will somehow change just because we're in a lower division? If anything that means less money and more austerity. My fear is that the same incompetence, arrogance and complacency will prevail regardless of which league we're stinking out. Sadly, despite five years of worsening garbage, some fans still haven't woken up and smelled the horseshit.
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In reply to Ron Manager, I always sign everything, and with my real name. I don't think its a sign of being important, since AVISA I have not represented any fan group - if it irritates you I will stop it. I read the rules when I came onto the site and as far as I can see there is no rule against doing so.
but if it annoys you, I will not sign this one.
You could always add it as your sig.
Legion.
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For some reason it's made me think of the Ronny Pickering YouTube footage lol
I think we will be up there next season, but a lot is dependant on how we manage the summer transfers
It could go a number of ways.
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In order for us to come straight back up we must somehow stop being a losing club and magically transform ourselves into a winning one. We have no idea which players will stay, or what manager we'll have.
We do know that we'll most likely still have our feckless, stupid, negligent owner. Under him we've done nothing but fall apart for the last five years, so why would any of us believe that things will somehow change just because we're in a lower division? If anything that means less money and more austerity. My fear is that the same incompetence, arrogance and complacency will prevail regardless of which league we're stinking out. Sadly, despite five years of worsening garbage, some fans still haven't woken up and smelled the horseshit.
This is absolutely spot on. With the same owner and board of incompetents, how could anything change. We will struggle in whichever league we find ourselves.
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the lower we fall, the cheaper the price for a fans takeover.
think positive.
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the lower we fall, the cheaper the price for a fans takeover.
think positive.
And the more money needed to get us back to where we want to be!
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Can we have a dedicated thread where everyone can call each other all the fucks they want with no recriminations? It could be very cathartic.
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In reply to Ron Manager, I always sign everything, and with my real name. I don't think its a sign of being important, since AVISA I have not represented any fan group - if it irritates you I will stop it. I read the rules when I came onto the site and as far as I can see there is no rule against doing so.
but if it annoys you, I will not sign this one.
There's no breach of site rules is there? Sign away Trevor.
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Can we have a dedicated thread where everyone can call each other all the fucks they want with no recriminations? It could be very cathartic.
Good idea. Bring it on you &%$£! old &%$£! ignorant &%$£! misinformed &%$£!. ;)
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Can we have a dedicated thread where everyone can call each other all the fucks they want with no recriminations? It could be very cathartic.
Good idea. Bring it on you &%$£! old &%$£! ignorant &%$£! misinformed &%$£!. ;)
No winkies will be allowed in the abuse thread I'm afraid, just all out vitriol.
*EDIT* You w****r
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Dave Cooper, you are a bounder and a cad.
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You are all a bunch of nincompoops!
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Can we have a dedicated thread where everyone can call each other all the [expletive deleted to get round the office word filter] they want with no recriminations? It could be very cathartic.
No no no, this is a friendly forum.
Anyone want a biscuit?
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Yes, add the name as a sig.
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In order for us to come straight back up we must somehow stop being a losing club and magically transform ourselves into a winning one. We have no idea which players will stay, or what manager we'll have.
We do know that we'll most likely still have our feckless, stupid, negligent owner. Under him we've done nothing but fall apart for the last five years, so why would any of us believe that things will somehow change just because we're in a lower division? If anything that means less money and more austerity. My fear is that the same incompetence, arrogance and complacency will prevail regardless of which league we're stinking out. Sadly, despite five years of worsening garbage, some fans still haven't woken up and smelled the horseshit.
Agree 100%. I keep hearing stuff from fans who think relegation would be the catalyst for a rebirth and a glorious return to the PL. How are people coming to this conclusion? We'll still have the same feckless moron owner who doesn't give a shit about us and probably even worse players than we have now.
Sadly I think we're in for an extended stay in the lower leagues unless something drastic happens like change in ownership in fact that's the only thing I think that will change our fortunes as a club.
What an absolute mess this club is.
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In order for us to come straight back up we must somehow stop being a losing club and magically transform ourselves into a winning one. We have no idea which players will stay, or what manager we'll have.
We do know that we'll most likely still have our feckless, stupid, negligent owner. Under him we've done nothing but fall apart for the last five years, so why would any of us believe that things will somehow change just because we're in a lower division? If anything that means less money and more austerity. My fear is that the same incompetence, arrogance and complacency will prevail regardless of which league we're stinking out. Sadly, despite five years of worsening garbage, some fans still haven't woken up and smelled the horseshit.
Agree 100%. I keep hearing stuff from fans who think relegation would be the catalyst for a rebirth and a glorious return to the PL. How are people coming to this conclusion? We'll still have the same feckless moron owner who doesn't give a shit about us and probably even worse players than we have now.
Sadly I think we're in for an extended stay in the lower leagues unless something drastic happens like change in ownership in fact that's the only thing I think that will change our fortunes as a club.
What an absolute mess this club is.
Ask fans of Wigan, Coventry, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Bradford etc., if it's easy to come straight back up. We need another SGT to stand any chance preferably under new ownership. The current buffoons in charge will see us in League One in a flash. Nigel Pearson would be the kind of no-nonsense Manager we need; Garde seems too weak and the players are simply taking the piss.
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I honestly think I'd rather be in League One than have a psycho like Nigel Pearson as Manager.
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I honestly think I'd rather be in League One than have a psycho like Nigel Pearson as Manager.
Who would you suggest then?
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Ask fans of Wigan, Coventry, Leeds, Sheff Wed, Bradford etc.
This is my fear as well. Many have fallen, with proclamations of "we'll be back" who haven't been seen in a long time.
Losing mentality, evidence that the players don't give a fuck (Lescott's new Merc, I'm not dumb enough to buy into the accidental post nonsense), a chairman who can't sell/won't sell/is having too much fun with the club to sell (delete as you think applicable) and a whole board of people who, Mervyn King aside, probably have a sketchy at best knowledge of the club's history and it's place in the game.
After finally having had any realistic hope of seeing the club I support escape the drop at the hands of a very ordinary Liverpool side who barely got our of second gear yesterday, I feel that people believing we would be favourites for promotion must be mad.
As it was said elsewhere, this club will need another Sir Graham to get us out of this mess. Randy Lerner probably couldn't find his arsehole in a darkened room, never mind a saviour.
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I honestly think I'd rather be in League One than have a psycho like Nigel Pearson as Manager.
Who would you suggest then?
For the moment I would stick with Garde. As and when there is a vacancy I can think of plenty of competent managers who I'd want us to look at before we came to a nutter like Pearson - Moyes, Allardyce, Dyche, Howe, Clement and that's even without looking overseas. It's noticeable no-one has touched Pearson with a bargepole since he got the heave-ho from Leicester.
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I couldn't have anything to do with a club managed by Pearson.
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In reply to Ron Manager, I always sign everything, and with my real name. I don't think its a sign of being important, since AVISA I have not represented any fan group - if it irritates you I will stop it. I read the rules when I came onto the site and as far as I can see there is no rule against doing so.
but if it annoys you, I will not sign this one.
Don't go changing, trevor. I like it.
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Moyes is the obvious replacement if we are going to get rid of Garde. He did well at Everton as well as PNE with a limited budget. If [when] we get relegated there is going to be the need for us to have our Taylor overhaul. A man who commands respect within the game, can see us as his project and with the time perhaps to allow the fear of the board engendered by O'Neill to be negated
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Moyes is the obvious replacement if we are going to get rid of Garde. He did well at Everton as well as PNE with a limited budget. If [when] we get relegated there is going to be the need for us to have our Taylor overhaul. A man who commands respect within the game, can see us as his project and with the time perhaps to allow the fear of the board engendered by O'Neill to be negated
Why would Moyes want to join us with the idiots we have running the show?
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I didn't say he would. I said he was an obvious replacement, at least in my eyes.
Now what the board think and i think will no doubt be very different. Personally I think we are a mess of a club, a proud history with a very overcast future, in fact its p*ssing down from what I see.
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I think its more likely that Garde will get rid of us - and I wouldn't blame him or be surprised if he walked.
Why would his preferred backroom staff want to come and join him here?
But I don't think he has it to cope next year.
If we manage to be a solid top half Championship table team next year, I'll take it.
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With the present owner/directors/management team still in place, I cannot see any decent manager who has credits to his name coming anywhere near VP. It needs a gigantic turnaround in outlook and responsibilities of the management team for any progress to be made on the field. Leaders must be found from somewhere and that is one aspect that they have been completely overlooking for the last 5 years.
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Several months ago I said on here that the atmosphere around the club reminded me of the late 60s. Someone took issue with me saying it was the most over the top statement he had read on the site. Well I will say it again. The degree of apathy at every level of our club reminds me of the dog days of the sixties and early seventies. We all know what that lead to.
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Not putting this out as a conspiracy theory but watching the team ( yes I know it doesn't resemble a team) and listening to bits and pieces that appear in the press there seems to be an element of poison in the dressing room. Whether Garde will have the balls should he stay to get shut of the characters responsible remains to be seen.. but if certain players are causing problems then whoever the manager is next season should have these people identified to him and we should get shot of them no matter what it costs.
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Dog days, early seventies?. Vic Crowe I might tell you took us to Wembley after the two greatest games I have ever seen the club play...and that includes the European Cup Final! In 71 even though we lost we were far superior to Spurs even though we were two divisions below them!
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If we manage to be a solid top half Championship table team next year, I'll take it.
i'd just take some happy saturday afternoons!
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I couldn't have anything to do with a club managed by Pearson.
There will be plenty who won't have anything to do with us managed by someone else.
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Can someone enlighten me as to what I could expect from a Pearson Villa? Would it be high-speed clinical goal-scoring football somehow achieved with the current squad of players a la what happened at Leicester, or should I turn up on matchdays and be unsurprised to see that he's lived up to some perceived psychotic persona by literally beating the life out of our starting XI in some mental dressing room "I'll fuckin' 'ave all-a ya"-style rumble in the hope that that works? Cos I've got to admit that I'm struggling to see any reasons at all to make me think he'd do any good here.
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Trevor - where the article about McGrath saying this. Just want to read it.
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Borrowed the works' time machine last night. First game 2018-19 is Dover away.
Here's the team:
Guzan
Jong-An Heung-Ree Auld Dannn
Weir Reid
Money Ball Punt
Traficone
Subs: Flail Justinette Forza Carson Cash.
We get an away point.
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Sorry salsa party animal for taking a long time to reply, could not find the file I had put the article in. McGrath said this in the Daily Mail of 16th December 2015, interviewed by Spencer Morgan for Mail on Line. WHile the Mail is suspect, the quotes are as follows and as the interview did take place and there are pictures of him I have no reason to doubt they are genuine.
Headline is "We're heading for League One! Aston Villa legend Paul McGrath fears Randy Lerner will drag his old club to England's third tier".
Key quotes "I have always loved Aston Villa and it is because the way the fans have treated me. If there are not people who love the club then it is going downhill anyway. We are going to be second division next year, probably third division after and we are not going to come back".
he then discusses Randy Lerner. Article should be on line.
On signing my name, as there are no rules against it and some people like it , I will continue to do so. Its a name I am proud of, Hockley was my upbringing and Villa my heritage. A third generation supporter, my grandfather was the first and I was brought up to believe Villa could achieve anything it wanted to. THe sixties were the first time I doubted that, but once Vic Crowe brought us back out of the old third division it seemed we would never go back.
Sadly McGrath may be right.
Trevor Fisher
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Borrowed the works' time machine last night. First game 2018-19 is Dover away.
Here's the team:
Guzan
Jong-An Heung-Ree Auld Dannn
Weir Reid
Money Ball Punt
Traficone
Subs: Flail Justinette Forza Carson Cash.
We get an away point.
I think after that equaliser Traficone is heading for White Hart Lane where resurfacing is going on after their move to the new stadium.
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On signing my name, as there are no rules against it and some people like it , I will continue to do so.
Trevor Fisher
You tell 'em Trev.
Dave Cooper
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Agreed.
Legion
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Spot on Dave Cooper
Toronto Villa
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Keep on keeping on Trevor.
Mr Underhill
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Trevor I am afraid I won't be shocked if we have successive relegations in couple of season. Let hope we have a very good summer with new owner and transfer activity. Randy should have moved to UK permanently to oversee the running of the club.
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If folks really do think we will be relegated to division 3 next season whack some money on it, i'd imagine it would be pretty big odds.
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We couldn't be further away with the bookies considering we are favourites for the title. Lump on and put your money where your mouth is.
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We couldn't be further away with the bookies considering we are favourites for the title. Lump on and put your money where your mouth is.
Well its not often the bookies are wrong Ads but as things stand at the club at this present time that scenario seems faintly ridiculous. Things could change if Randy sells the club off cheaper than he was hoping for. In fact anything is possible.
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Ridiculous to think we will win the title? I don't. It's the minimum expectation.
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I think we'll come straight back up but I don't see how finishing first can be the minimum expectation as it's the highest we can finish.
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As bad as things appear to be I find it funny that anyone seriously believes we are going to do a Wolves and get relegated in consecutive seasons. Or do a Portsmouth and literally be on the verge of being wound up. I get the concern about the current state of affairs but it doesn't half generate some melodramatic nonsense.
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Not losing a game and being up before Ben Hurr is on Channel 4 are my higher expectations.
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Several months ago I said on here that the atmosphere around the club reminded me of the late 60s. Someone took issue with me saying it was the most over the top statement he had read on the site. Well I will say it again. The degree of apathy at every level of our club reminds me of the dog days of the sixties and early seventies. We all know what that lead to.
I agree entirely that where we are now is very reminiscent of the late 60s as I was there to experience it. It was very, very bad during these years but I would say that this is worse because the gap between the old 1st and 2nd divisions was nowhere near as big as the gap between the Premier and the Championship in 2016. Even as we went down to the third in 1970 there was a feeling that we had a committed board and that things would eventually turn around. The turnaround began to slowly take root in 1970/71 and just over a decade later we were champions of Europe I don't sense any of that even slight optimism or green shoots of recovery in the air at the moment. .
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Time to spin some Motown Jimmy and put the Leonard Cohen collection under lock and key. We'll be back!
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Several months ago I said on here that the atmosphere around the club reminded me of the late 60s. Someone took issue with me saying it was the most over the top statement he had read on the site. Well I will say it again. The degree of apathy at every level of our club reminds me of the dog days of the sixties and early seventies. We all know what that lead to.
I agree entirely that where we are now is very reminiscent of the late 60s as I was there to experience it. It was very, very bad during these years but I would say that this is worse because the gap between the old 1st and 2nd divisions was nowhere near as big as the gap between the Premier and the Championship in 2016. Even as we went down to the third in 1970 there was a feeling that we had a committed board and that things would eventually turn around. The turnaround began to slowly take root in 1970/71 and just over a decade later we were champions of Europe I don't sense any of that even slight optimism or green shoots of recovery in the air at the moment. .
Agreed. Until Randy goes we are stuffed. Not just in limbo, but in danger of falling further. Might not be consecutive relegations but we could easliy be in league 1 in 3 seasons. Unless we have a change of ownership
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I do feel in my guts that League 1 beckons. But I really feel like it's going to be a long and painful drop. We'll struggle next season and probably end up as we've been in the top flight in recent years. Hovering over the edge. We'll not do a fucking thing to put things right because Randy is a fuck trumpet and the club is about as appealing to buyers as a turd sandwich. The whole set up here is incompetent.
I can't see our board making the right decisions and when you drop you have to make sensible decisions or you're fucked. So we're fucked as we've got Magoo and his cronies running the club.
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We will win the title.
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One if the few things that keeps me dragging my weary bones to matches is the thought of Adama Traore and Jordan Ayew running at Championship defenders. We will smash them.
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One if the few things that keeps me dragging my weary bones to matches is the thought of Adama Traore and Jordan Ayew running at Championship defenders. We will smash them.
I agree but sadly I don't think either will be here to do it. It'll be Gabby and Gestede.
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Not so sure Oz. Jordan Ayew is one of the tiny handful of the squad who gets us and Adama's injuries will make him want a settled spell to prove himself. Both will probably go once they make the headlines. Like Benteke.
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Time to spin some Motown Jimmy and put the Leonard Cohen collection under lock and key. We'll be back!
Back in the day I was more of a Purple Haze man. Tried some Motown. Trouble is shuffle mode keeps playing What Becomes of the Brokenhearted, by Jimmy Ruffin....
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Not related to God, but I gather Ian Wright commented on MOTD last night that bigger clubs than us have had back to back relegations.
EDIT.
I now notice on twatter he's said Forest, Leeds, Manchester City and Wolves are all bigger clubs.
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He talks all kinds of shite the no nothing bellend.
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He talks all kinds of shite the no nothing bellend.
The perfect description.No other "pundit" riles me as much as him.
A slouchy, stupid, vacant twit.
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It was well known when he was a player that Ian Wright didn't like Villa. Not many do, but I think he's taking the opportunity to wind us up here.
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Ian Wright hates Villa because of how we baited him in 1994 when he was suspended from his Cup Winners Cup Final. He scored a 90th minute winner in front of the Holte and let us know how much he enjoyed it.
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Ian Wright hates Villa because of how we baited him in 1994 when he was suspended from his Cup Winners Cup Final. He scored a 90th minute winner in front of the Holte and let us know how much he enjoyed it.
"Ian Wright where's your final gone " incessant for 90 minutes!
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Wright is going on about this on 606 now. He seems to be standing by his comments. He's just said that he was aware of more Blues players that Villa players when he was growing up. He also made a comment that most of the league titles were won before 1910. This is obviously true, but how many titles have the other clubs he mentioned won full stop. Of course the definition of a 'big club' is subjective, but he's about as incoherent as it's possible for one person to be.
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Forest and Leeds are nowhere near as big as we are. Don't give the cretin the time of day.
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"he's staying home, he's staying home, Wrighty's staying home!"
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It's quite sad that mouth breathers like him and Savage get a spot on the BBC, simply to provide the "bants"
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It's laughably called "building an audience". Wind people up, it makes them talk about you.
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Not related to God, but I gather Ian Wright commented on MOTD last night that bigger clubs than us have had back to back relegations.
EDIT.
I now notice on twatter he's said Forest, Leeds, Manchester City and Wolves are all bigger clubs.
He's trolling. If you added all those clubs' achievements together you might just be able to get a club that is bigger than Villa. File in the 'nonsense spouted just to get a reaction' folder - ie the bin.
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Think it was in 4-4-2 magazine a few years back when he was asked if there were any clubs he particularly liked scoring against and he said Villa, because of the stick we used to give him.
So no surprise at all to see him having a dig.
Just a surprise that the Beeb decided to bring the inarticulate simpleton back.
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We no, add Forest and Dirty Leeds together and you get 14 trophies.
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I remember him scoring at the Holte and giving it the wanker sign ( but under his shirt to save any repercussions)
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Take it as a compliment that the gimp is still bitter 20 years on. I guess we had the last laugh.
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I remember him scoring at the Holte and giving it the wanker sign ( but under his shirt to save any repercussions)
I remember that as well.
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I had the misfortune to listen to his execrable Radio show once as a passenger in a car. He makes the moose from talk shite sound like Alistair Cooke or Edward R. Murrow.