Redundancies at VP?

[paul_e]

I'm with Chris, Working at home feels like you're doing something that requires you to be at home.  Working from home, to me, implies that you're doing a job that would normally be office based.

[themossman]

of  course he is totally entitled to his money but it always strikes how difficult it appears to be to terminate a footballer's contract compared to other professions

totally, you keep hearing that football is a business but the things they do like contracts and player wages as a percentage of turnover is mental

If you are shit at any other job you would get moved on and have a couple of months money as notice - if you're lucky

Football they just pay your contract in full

It's designed to give security to both parties.

So you're right that in other jobs there is the possibility of moving out an ineffective employee, but there is also nothing to stop a brilliant employee quitting and moving to a better job elsewhere.

It's the same factor that keeps dross like N'Zogbia with us for so long, as kept Benteke with us for more than one season.

True but overall I still think it favours the player over the employer, especially as release clauses become more common. It's like me strolling into a pay negotiation and saying"'I've was really good at my job last year, please give me a contract that says you'll pay me, for a period of no less than one third of my working life, an amount that assumes I'll continue to be really good, and work to my best ability".

[CT Villan]

Sorry, I was away 'celebrating'   

I'm with Chris and Paul too.

[Dave]

of  course he is totally entitled to his money but it always strikes how difficult it appears to be to terminate a footballer's contract compared to other professions

totally, you keep hearing that football is a business but the things they do like contracts and player wages as a percentage of turnover is mental

If you are shit at any other job you would get moved on and have a couple of months money as notice - if you're lucky

Football they just pay your contract in full

It's designed to give security to both parties.

So you're right that in other jobs there is the possibility of moving out an ineffective employee, but there is also nothing to stop a brilliant employee quitting and moving to a better job elsewhere.

It's the same factor that keeps dross like N'Zogbia with us for so long, as kept Benteke with us for more than one season.

True but overall I still think it favours the player over the employer, especially as release clauses become more common. It's like me strolling into a pay negotiation and saying"'I've was really good at my job last year, please give me a contract that says you'll pay me, for a period of no less than one third of my working life, an amount that assumes I'll continue to be really good, and work to my best ability".

These things go in cycles - until the Bosman ruling the clubs had all the power, then that power shifted to the players, that was then transferred to the agents and now the amount of money going around is going to shift the balance of power back to the clubs.

Look at Berahino for example - by all accounts West Brom turned down an offer of £24m in January for a player with less than 18 months remaining on his deal, who they're hardly using just because they can.

Even as recently as a couple of years ago they'd never have risked that potential loss of income.

[themossman]

Also, Pulis' one inch member is a market distorting factor.

[Legion]

The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.

[Villa in Denmark]

We aren't allowed to say  as***t str**ping, are we?

Can you explain how redundancies at Villa Park equates to asset striping?

If there's one thing Lerner isn't, it's an asset stripper (unless you count his own bank account / family trust.)
What kind of asset stripper devalues the asset the more he poured in?
And then compounds it by mis-managing the club to a point where probably 50% of the value is about to be written off and we wait with bated breath to find out what relegation clauses are in contracts, both for wage reduction and release clauses?

[Louzie0]

The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.

Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.

So it's not going to happen.

[Villa in Denmark]

The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.

Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.

So it's not going to happen.

I agree on 2 fronts.
If you look at the CSR pages on the website, there are dozens of projects that really make a difference to life for people in the local communities which would be a severe kick in the proverbials to those affected if they disappeared.

The second is, no matter how shit things have been on the pitch, the off the pitch stuff is the one thing that they've consistently got right from day 1. Take that small crumb of comfort away and it really is grim.

That's before you get to it being horrible for the staff involved.

[olaftab]

Wouldn't surprise me. It's so unfair though, one shit player like N'Zogbia probably earns the same as 100 admin staff.

Yes that is the most horrific thing about football today.

[SashasGrandad]

The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.

Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.

So it's not going to happen.

I agree on 2 fronts.
If you look at the CSR pages on the website, there are dozens of projects that really make a difference to life for people in the local communities which would be a severe kick in the proverbials to those affected if they disappeared.

The second is, no matter how shit things have been on the pitch, the off the pitch stuff is the one thing that they've consistently got right from day 1. Take that small crumb of comfort away and it really is grim.

That's before you get to it being horrible for the staff involved.

It won't matter how much good the projects do - if they put an accountant in charge things will be cut to fit the budget - regardless of who good they are.   The same happens when we have a Tory government.

[Louzie0]

The Community Department are a little bit unsure of their future at the moment.

Now getting rid of that would be a dreadful and totally stupid indicator of the things to come.

So it's not going to happen.

I agree on 2 fronts.
If you look at the CSR pages on the website, there are dozens of projects that really make a difference to life for people in the local communities which would be a severe kick in the proverbials to those affected if they disappeared.

The second is, no matter how shit things have been on the pitch, the off the pitch stuff is the one thing that they've consistently got right from day 1. Take that small crumb of comfort away and it really is grim.

That's before you get to it being horrible for the staff involved.

It won't matter how much good the projects do - if they put an accountant in charge things will be cut to fit the budget - regardless of who good they are.   The same happens when we have a Tory government.

I agree with both of you.
Just, like both of you, hanging on for common sense rather than short term apparent fiscal expediency.

[SashasGrandad]

Footbaalers are like bankers.

They still get paid loads of money - no matter how poor they perform.

[London Villan]

Cut £60m from the club's revenue and lots of thing don't happen. Albion shut half of their hospitality last time they were relegated.

[Dave]

Cut £60m from the club's revenue and lots of thing don't happen. Albion shut half of their hospitality last time they were relegated.

Big tray of devilled eggs reduced to a tray of cheese and pineapple on sticks?