New chairman and Lerner ramblings

[ChicagoLion]

So again, answer the question as opposed to avoiding it. Surely as an investment banker you have an eye for detail and you won't have to dig through the thread to prove your point.

I am not an Investment Banker. Part of my world involves Investment Banking.
I do not understand why you take it upon yourself to attack any one that criticises Lerner, you did it after I mentioned a drink with a Browns fan, You dug up all sorts of spurious arguements to defend Lerner then, a number of other posters with greater knowledge of NFL had to put you right. And look you have done it again. There is a pattern here, perhaps you would like to explain why you have taken it upon your self to be Randys attack dog.

[Toronto Villa]

Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?

[ChicagoLion]

Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?

You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.

[saunders_heroes]

Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?

What about all those times I criticised Lerner and you jumped in to tell me I've got it all wrong? Are you saying now it never happened?

[Toronto Villa]

Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?

You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.

About the Browns? What exactly did I say in defence of him? In fact what makes it funnier is I follow the Steelers. If you think I defended his ownership then you're wrong. If I suggested there might have been inaccuracies about things being claimed about his time there, well yes there are. Many. I lived in Pittsburgh, I'm in Cleveland every few weeks for work. I'm a lot closer to the Browns fans than you think and even they will tell you it isn't all about Lerner. Especially considering how horrific they have been since he sold them.

[Toronto Villa]

Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?

What about all those times I criticised Lerner and you jumped in to tell me I've got it all wrong? Are you saying now it never happened?

Off course I've defended him. Have you always criticized him? It's no different. At some point you decided criticizing him for everything was the right thing to do. I dont agree with that approach. There are things he has done wrong and I've said it and there are things that I don't think warrants criticism. It's not like everyone entirely shares either your position or mine.

[saunders_heroes]

Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.

[Toronto Villa]

Right so we agree then. At one point you defended him and thought he was a really good owner. Same with me. However I don't entirely have that view anymore though I don't have the same radical view on him as you. I think there are things he should be criticized for and other things that aren't all down to him. You don't share that view and that's fine.

[Villa in Denmark]

Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.

Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.

[ChicagoLion]

Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.

Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.

There were quite a few calling it back then and getting abuse for it.Nothing much has changed it seems.

[ChicagoLion]

Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?

You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.

About the Browns? What exactly did I say in defence of him? In fact what makes it funnier is I follow the Steelers. If you think I defended his ownership then you're wrong. If I suggested there might have been inaccuracies about things being claimed about his time there, well yes there are. Many. I lived in Pittsburgh, I'm in Cleveland every few weeks for work. I'm a lot closer to the Browns fans than you think and even they will tell you it isn't all about Lerner. Especially considering how horrific they have been since he sold them.

you made out his stewardship of the Browns was not as bad as other owners in the NFL. Again totally unwarranted you just waded in and attacked, so attacking someone for criticising someone is not a defence eh. You have done it again in relation to this story. You can't help yourself. As I said why do you find it so necessary to attack any one that criticises him? Are you related or something?

[ciggiesnbeer]

Everyones nerves are a little raw. Can't we unite a little by talking about how loathesome brummie reds are?

[Villa in Denmark]

Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.

Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.

There were quite a few calling it back then and getting abuse for it.Nothing much has changed it seems.

I recall there were several who challenged Krulack on it on a number of occasions during that last MON season, paulie and Risso are the only 2 whose names I can definitely remember.

I don't recall as much direct abuse, probably because the football side of things looked good still, but there was definitely "leave it alone" or "who are you to question them."

Fast forward to now and I don't think anyone would say that the club was well run or that Lerner has been a good owner.

Where the divisions occur is between edging towards painting Lerner as the devil incarnate, thinking that the answer to our problems is to just repeat the MON experiment with no thought as to what the consequences might be or something a little more nuanced.

The discussion on Friday night where saunders called for a nurse for me, essentially implying I should be locked up, for saying that even in a season such as this there are a couple of faint pin pricks of light is a good example. An absolutist determination that everything is blacker than coal and no room to hear anything else.

That to me lacks credibility. If you're going to criticise and denigrate, then do it where it's most deserved. The world isn't black and white, even if ours has far too many shades of charcoal right now, so acknowledge the bits that aren't black. It won't make the bigger issues any less.

[Toronto Villa]

Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?

You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.

About the Browns? What exactly did I say in defence of him? In fact what makes it funnier is I follow the Steelers. If you think I defended his ownership then you're wrong. If I suggested there might have been inaccuracies about things being claimed about his time there, well yes there are. Many. I lived in Pittsburgh, I'm in Cleveland every few weeks for work. I'm a lot closer to the Browns fans than you think and even they will tell you it isn't all about Lerner. Especially considering how horrific they have been since he sold them.

you made out his stewardship of the Browns was not as bad as other owners in the NFL. Again totally unwarranted you just waded in and attacked, so attacking someone for criticising someone is not a defence eh. You have done it again in relation to this story. You can't help yourself. As I said why do you find it so necessary to attack any one that criticises him? Are you related or something?

Can you bring up exactly the point I defend Lerner in relation to this story? Because you've lost me.

[Dave]

Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.

Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.

There were quite a few calling it back then and getting abuse for it.Nothing much has changed it seems.

Nobody was getting abuse for it. And I'm not sure how you would know one way or the other, given that you weren't here at the time.