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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: andyh on January 14, 2016, 12:03:39 PM
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Steven Hollis.
http://mobile.avfc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=5273031
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Who?!
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YEEEEEEEEESSSS!!!
A new signing!
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Any locals know much about the fella? I'm intrigued as to how RL can operate "at a further distance". Perhaps he has a moon base.
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Can he play upfront?
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This has come very out of the blue - my first thought was that Randy had stepped down, looks like this is instead part of him slowly distancing himself? This sounds like good news.
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
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Lerner said: "That Aston Villa can and should operate in a far more stable and on a far more successful level, both in terms of football as well as commercially, is plainly clear. It is similarly clear that this great club has not been on stable footing for at least five years.
"In May of 2015 I again reiterated my intention to sell the club or, in the alternative, to shift to a Board governance structure that begins with the appointment of a new chairman; a chairman with a proven track record for getting into the thick of troubled organisations, working with embattled executives and getting results. Steve has taken the last six weeks to become familiar with the deeply serious predicament in which the club has found itself and has my total support to address the issues we face.”
Presumably those who were desperate to hear something from Lerner can now be happy and satisfied.
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Management by committee? It worked in the old days, the very old days that is!
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He's only come on loan until the end of the season because of the club's precarious PL position.
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This has come very out of the blue - my first thought was that Randy had stepped down, looks like this is instead part of him slowly distancing himself? This sounds like good news.
Apparently he is distancing himself further , where is he going the moon? :P
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
I dont want a football manager in the role of chairman, I want a successful businessman who will take the correct advice from the correct people regarding football matters
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
Which current clubs have football people as Chairmen , none of the current top 4 do for starters
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
Is there any club in the league whose chairperson is a "football manager"? If that's the key you'd have thought that people would be doing it more.
Edit: this appears to have been raised.
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http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/finance/business-profile-steve-hollis-regional-3912497
He's a Man City fan....so hopefully his plan is (5)years of football purgatory followed by a dramatic re-birth...Could we just fast forward to the success scenario Mr Hollis.
Randy's hand,by that statement,is now officially off the tiller..Let's hope we're heading for calmer seas
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
I dont want a football manager in the role of chairman, I want a successful businessman who will take the correct advice from the correct people regarding football matters
I meant football man. Predictive text again!
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Not sure he's a succesful businessman in the entrepreneurial sense, but as an Peat Marwick/KPMG guy he should at least know how to structure a sucessful organisation - including possibly more 'football' men and more importantly make them accountable to the board.
On top of that I'm glad he's local and at least understands the club, its heritage, tradition and expectations.
I know at least one of peers who visits this board from time to time - will be interested if they post
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
How many clubs have a 'football man' as chairman?
Perhaps we should have approached Niall Quinn. Would that have been better for you?
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Any locals know much about the fella? I'm intrigued as to how RL can operate "at a further distance". Perhaps he has a moon base.
He will block phone calls from numbers associated with Aston Villa and ignore withheld numbers from here on in.
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Welcome Steven. Please give Villa the strong leadership and direction that you talk about.
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welcome Steve and good luck.
UTV
The Doc
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Let's see how this one pans out then, we can't complain really. Lerner hopefully will have as little to do with Aston Villa as possible now with regards to any decisions made. Hopefully there is in place guidelines to what kind of money will be sanctioned to spend, not just during this window so they can all just get on with it and keep Lerner away from the club.
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Reads like quite a contrite statement in parts. Admits mistakes and sounds like we've at least the semblance of a plan in place.
It's got to be better than what we've had before. Good luck Reg Hollis.
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
How many clubs have a 'football man' as chairman?
Perhaps we should have approached Niall Quinn. Would that have been better for you?
I just feel that the position we're in needs where we need a big rebuild, we could have done with someone with some background in the game.
I wish him well of course, and I hope he proves me wrong.
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Interesting. Does this mean we are no longer officially for sale?
Does it also indicate the end of Lerner putting any of his own funding in (which he has done still on the debt side last season)?
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
Is there any club in the league whose chairperson is a "football manager"? If that's the key you'd have thought that people would be doing it more.
Edit: this appears to have been raised.
Exactly. I think its a good appointment as it solves the management issue (obviously Lerner didn't give a shit) - though crucially not the problem of investment. It will be interesting to see if Mr Hollis remains in place if and when we get a new owner(s).
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
How many clubs have a 'football man' as chairman?
Perhaps we should have approached Niall Quinn. Would that have been better for you?
I just feel that the position we're in needs where we need a big rebuild, we could have done with someone with some background in the game.
I wish him well of course, and I hope he proves me wrong.
Why do you need football experience to rebuild and run a successful organisation? Surely it's better to have experience of rebuilding and running a successful organisation.
And also, how is it 'PR bullshit' for Lerner to have done what he said he was going to do last summer, and said was going to be done imminently a couple of weeks ago. Surely it's exactly the opposite of PR bullshit.
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http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/finance/business-profile-steve-hollis-regional-3912497
He's a Man City fan....so hopefully his plan is (5)years of football purgatory followed by a dramatic re-birth...Could we just fast forward to the success scenario Mr Hollis.
Randy's hand,by that statement,is now officially off the tiller..Let's hope we're heading for calmer seas
Interesting interview. Good luck to him, you wonder what he's going to make of the playing staff given what he's said there about the trappings of success.
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"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success. Randy has consistently provided financial backing no less so than last year."
That strikes me as a fairly dangerous and worrying conclusion to have arrived at already!
Randy has provided consistent financial backing, but only in the same sense that Agbonlahor is a consistent Premier League goalscorer.
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Interesting. Does this mean we are no longer officially for sale?
Does it also indicate the end of Lerner putting any of his own funding in (which he has done still on the debt side last season)?
Doesn't say we're not so id imagine the status quo remains.
As for funding, that's Lerners investment at B6 going down the tubes so again we're at his mercy. He's never really let us down before on that score though, it's the numpties that have spent and decided playing strategies that have done that.
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Yes, we will,have to wait and see.
For me, the biggest concern is just how much power has he got?
Is he just a figurehead to face off to the public instead of Lerner, or will he have real power?
Will he have control over the purse strings ?
Will he have the power to hire and fire?
Are Fox and Remi accountable to him?
One of my biggest issues at the moment is how there is no accountability at the club. Fox appears accountable to no-one because his boss, Lerner, doesn't really give a shit.
Hopefully, this will be the beginning of building a leadership team that works together, has a plan and vision for success ON THE PITCH, as well as off, and are accountable for these results.
The first thing Mr.Hollis should do is approach Graham Taylor or Big Ron (or similar) and ask if they will join this leadership team/board.
A knowledgeable football person involved at the top level of our club is absolutely crucial, because we have gone far too long without that knowledge and experience.
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Yes, we will,have to wait and see.
For me, the biggest concern is just how much power has he got?
Is he just a figurehead to face off to the public instead of Lerner, or will he have real power?
Will he have control over the purse strings ?
Will he have the power to hire and fire?
Are Fox and Remi accountable to him?
One of my biggest issues at the moment is how there is no accountability at the club. Fox appears accountable to no-one because his boss, Lerner, doesn't really give a shit.
Hopefully, this will be the beginning of building a leadership team that works together, has a plan and vision for success ON THE PITCH, as well as off, and are accountable for these results.
The first thing Mr.Hollis should do is approach Graham Taylor or Big Ron (or similar) and ask if they will join this leadership team/board.
A knowledgeable football person involved at the top level of our club is absolutely crucial, because we have gone far too long without that knowledge and experience.
Yeah I'd go with that. Big Ron and Andy Gray would be ideal.
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Yes, we will,have to wait and see.
For me, the biggest concern is just how much power has he got?
Is he just a figurehead to face off to the public instead of Lerner, or will he have real power?
Will he have control over the purse strings ?
Will he have the power to hire and fire?
Are Fox and Remi accountable to him?
One of my biggest issues at the moment is how there is no accountability at the club. Fox appears accountable to no-one because his boss, Lerner, doesn't really give a shit.
Hopefully, this will be the beginning of building a leadership team that works together, has a plan and vision for success ON THE PITCH, as well as off, and are accountable for these results.
The first thing Mr.Hollis should do is approach Graham Taylor or Big Ron (or similar) and ask if they will join this leadership team/board.
A knowledgeable football person involved at the top level of our club is absolutely crucial, because we have gone far too long without that knowledge and experience.
All good questions. It has also been said that there will be a new board member? Maybe this will be the "football man"? But that would be my additional question, are we still getting this new board member?
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The first thing Mr.Hollis should do is approach Graham Taylor or Big Ron (or similar) and ask if they will join this leadership team/board.
A knowledgeable football person involved at the top level of our club is absolutely crucial, because we have gone far too long without that knowledge and experience.
I would welcome this. Just someone with an idea about players, agents, fans; and who Villa truly are as a club. Sir Graham Taylor has served Watford really well, I wonder if he'd be up for dragging us out of a hole again?
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Lerner still sounds a bit like Roger Irrelevant. Wibble.
Not sure about the 'money no longer buys success' line, it's only this season so 'doesn't always mean success' might be more like it. Welcome anyway Steve, hopefully you can improve things.
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Ideal role for Big Ron this IMO. Always been a great figurehead and know the game and the Villa.
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I never know why people are so keen to appoint people that have been out of the game for ages. I like Taylor but his last spell was poor and he's only going to have become more out of touch since.
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Ideal role for Big Ron this IMO. Always been a great figurehead and know the game and the Villa.
Appointing a well known racist is what we need to bring crowds flocking back in multicultural Birmingham.
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What about Steve Stride?
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Nope. Again he's been out of the game for ages. The desperation to appoint someone, anyone, with a Villa connection reeks of Newcastle.
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Oh ok then. That's the end of that.
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Here is his Bloomberg profile:
http://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=30033503&privcapId=9964456
Also please tell me people are not serious when they suggest Big Ron.
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It was stated in a Times article a few months ago that there was a general perception that the Administration/ Club Organisation/ Sales etc staff at Villa park had become very complacent ( slack ) , there was specific mention of Players training kit not being washed and ready for a training session.
Hopefully, when Steve Hollis talks of ' root and branch' re-organisation at the Club, this is something he will address as a matter of urgency.
Aston Villa have been seen as a ' nice and cosy ' or, as the Americans would say,
" a Mom & Pop ' operation for far too long.........Godzvilla!
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Lerner still sounds a bit like Roger Irrelevant. .
Not sure about the 'money no longer buys success' line, it's only this season so 'doesn't always mean success' might be more like it. Welcome anyway Steve, hopefully you can improve things.
I'm taking that line to mean that with solid plans in place, a unified front and a hard working philosophy you can go places, like Leicester, Palace and Southampton have without spending a fortune.
Hasn't that often been the case up till a few years ago.
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Ideal role for Big Ron this IMO. Always been a great figurehead and know the game and the Villa.
Appointing a well known racist is what we need to bring crowds flocking back in multicultural Birmingham.
You say some silly things sometimes.
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I think appointing someone who has been shunned from public life due to a racist outburst and who, in any case, has had no football experience outside a Sky documentary in the last decade just because he used to be involved with Villa in the olden days is more silly than suggesting that it might not be a good move.
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He acknowledged that leadership and discipline has to come from the top, so hopefully this guy will get them in order. I would hope for a very uncomfortable few months at the club as new expectations are enforced and lazy attitudes challenged.
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But, when are you selling?
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I never know why people are so keen to appoint people that have been out of the game for ages. I like Taylor but his last spell was poor and he's only going to have become more out of touch since.
You are completely summising and have nothing to back that up.
Taken from Wikipedia; "Taylor served as chairman of Watford F.C. from 2009 until 2012 with whom he still holds position of honorary life-president"
Doesnt sound to me like someone completely out of touch with the game. And looking at Watford now, I know which club I think is in a better state.
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Further proof for some people that whatever we do it's the wrong thing. I don't want a football man in charge of my club. I don't have an issue if he consults football men as part of his due diligence, or even appoints one in a consultancy capacity. But I want someone who understands how to operate a multi million £ business in a multi billion £ industry. I hope Randy provides him the financial support much like Joe Lewis provides to Daniel Levy and then stays out of the way.
Good luck Steve
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I always think of the chairman as the bloke in charge of selecting the port and lah-de-dahs, so I am not going to get too carried away either way.
I am more concerned with the stuff on the pitch, which for the most part of the last few years has been awful.
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I never know why people are so keen to appoint people that have been out of the game for ages. I like Taylor but his last spell was poor and he's only going to have become more out of touch since.
You are completely summising and have nothing to back that up.
Taken from Wikipedia; "Taylor served as chairman of Watford F.C. from 2009 until 2012 with whom he still holds position of honorary life-president"
Doesnt sound to me like someone completely out of touch with the game. And looking at Watford now, I know which club I think is in a better state.
Honorary Life President is a largely meaningless title. Watford's success began when Taylor was replaced as Chairman by the Italian bloke who kept nicking players from Udinese.
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Or pretty much just given the players by Udinese because the owners own both clubs.
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I never know why people are so keen to appoint people that have been out of the game for ages. I like Taylor but his last spell was poor and he's only going to have become more out of touch since.
You are completely summising and have nothing to back that up.
Taken from Wikipedia; "Taylor served as chairman of Watford F.C. from 2009 until 2012 with whom he still holds position of honorary life-president"
Doesnt sound to me like someone completely out of touch with the game. And looking at Watford now, I know which club I think is in a better state.
Why should being out of the game for a while, be an obstacle anyway.
If you understand the fully fundamentals of any discipline, business or sport, you can bring that knowledge, experience and understanding into a current role.
Taylor, Atkinson, and others, know what makes a football club 'tick'.
They have experienced great success in their careers.
Someone like that would be of great benefit to the club, I'm sure.
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My only concern is that he doesn't have any experience of running a football club, rather than be concerned about him not being a football man. Still, let's see how it goes.
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Money may not guarentee sucess but buying better quality players and a decent coach to manage them will ensure that you won't be fighting relegation for 5 FUCKING YEARS
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We've really gone a long time without anyone taking a long term view of how the club operates. Everything has been done either on the cheap or with a short term notion. With Remi, maybe things chance, behind the scenes, is Fox et all good enough? We can't keep blaming managers year after year, it's cost us a fortune and done incredible damage with regards to continuity and stability.
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"We're Aston Villa, we have experience of working with quasi-governmental organisations..."
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I never know why people are so keen to appoint people that have been out of the game for ages. I like Taylor but his last spell was poor and he's only going to have become more out of touch since.
You are completely summising and have nothing to back that up.
Taken from Wikipedia; "Taylor served as chairman of Watford F.C. from 2009 until 2012 with whom he still holds position of honorary life-president"
Doesnt sound to me like someone completely out of touch with the game. And looking at Watford now, I know which club I think is in a better state.
Why should being out of the game for a while, be an obstacle anyway.
If you understand the fully fundamentals of any discipline, business or sport, you can bring that knowledge, experience and understanding into a current role.
Taylor, Atkinson, and others, know what makes a football club 'tick'.
They have experienced great success in their careers.
Someone like that would be of great benefit to the club, I'm sure.
How? What would they bring to the table? If they're supposed to be an inspiration, we've already got Ian Taylor in an ambassadorial role. And whatever one thinks of Atkinson, he's hardly going to inspire the black players who would read the inevitable negative press his appointment would provoke.
They're not going to add much in terms of scouting as their foreign network is likely to be much smaller than that of most Premier League (or even Championship) clubs.
They won't add much tactically as it is unfeasible that Garde would allow them to give him advice let alone enter the dressing room, as it would be seen as a fundamental undermining of his authority.
If Newcastle announced that they were reappointing Kevin Keegan or bringing back Ossie Ardiles in some arbitrary, meaningless, role just because they used to manage the club, we'd all be taking the piss.
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I never know why people are so keen to appoint people that have been out of the game for ages. I like Taylor but his last spell was poor and he's only going to have become more out of touch since.
You are completely summising and have nothing to back that up.
Taken from Wikipedia; "Taylor served as chairman of Watford F.C. from 2009 until 2012 with whom he still holds position of honorary life-president"
Doesnt sound to me like someone completely out of touch with the game. And looking at Watford now, I know which club I think is in a better state.
Why should being out of the game for a while, be an obstacle anyway.
If you understand the fully fundamentals of any discipline, business or sport, you can bring that knowledge, experience and understanding into a current role.
Taylor, Atkinson, and others, know what makes a football club 'tick'.
They have experienced great success in their careers.
Someone like that would be of great benefit to the club, I'm sure.
No, I think he has a point. In fact I think being out of the game for a period is equivalent to having a lobotomy.
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My only concern is that he doesn't have any experience of running a football club, rather than be concerned about him not being a football man. Still, let's see how it goes.
I agree. I really don't see anything changing, just another suit in front of Lerner to absorb the criticism.
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Anyway, has this new bloke got any money?
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
Very good point.
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Welcome Steve.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
He he. It is a pretty worrying statement. He seems to be attempting to dampen expectations before he's even got started.
"Money no longer buys success" will be the new mantra to explain lack of investment. I thought we'd be able to spend as much as giants like Stoke now we've spent half a decade trimming the wage bill but apparently not.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
Who, despite being a pale comparison to 2 years ago will probably still win it. It is fair to say though that a reasonable level of success can be achieved on a much lower budget.
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"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success. Randy has consistently provided financial backing no less so than last year."
That strikes me as a fairly dangerous and worrying conclusion to have arrived at already!
Randy has provided consistent financial backing, but only in the same sense that Agbonlahor is a consistent Premier League goalscorer.
I think it is realistic - we are going to see a drop of 40% in our income in the next 6 months.
We need to spend the money we have smarter, much much smarter. Not throw more good money after bad, which some people prefer.
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Money may not guarentee sucess but buying better quality players and a decent coach to manage them will ensure that you won't be fighting relegation for 5 FUCKING YEARS
That ship has sailed - bad decision after bad decision after bad decision.
We have to start rebuilding.
Smarter recruitment. We ain't gonna spend £10m on a player for a while
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Lerner might have taken this opportunity to say "sorry about fucking your club up." Let's see what Steven 'until a few weeks ago, chairing a football club was not on my list of possible opportunities' Hollis can bring to the madhouse.
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Money may not guarentee sucess but buying better quality players and a decent coach to manage them will ensure that you won't be fighting relegation for 5 FUCKING YEARS
That ship has sailed - bad decision after bad decision after bad decision.
We have to start rebuilding.
Smarter recruitment. We ain't gonna spend £10m on a player for a while
We did last August.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
He he. It is a pretty worrying statement. He seems to be attempting to dampen expectations before he's even got started.
"Money no longer buys success" will be the new mantra to explain lack of investment. I thought we'd be able to spend as much as giants like Stoke now we've spent half a decade trimming the wage bill but apparently not.
Are Stoke not the sort of thing he's referring to?
Shaqiri, Affelay, Bojan and Arnautovic combined cost less than we spent on Gestede and Gueye.
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Local Businessman with experience of sorting out shit storms what is there not to like?
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Lerner might have taken this opportunity to say "sorry about fucking your club up." Let's see what Steven 'until a few weeks ago, chairing a football club was not on my list of possible opportunities' Hollis can bring to the madhouse.
Yeah, I thought that sounded a bit 'Christian Gross' but let's give him a chance. At least we have a high level business presence here now, something we haven't had with Dipshit living in the states for god knows how long.
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Mr Hollis whilst you were talking Rome burned...so please now put together a cohesive plan that eliminates the current fire and sees us rise from the ashes.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
Isn't what he is suggesting that this season shows good management, good players and good coaching this season can be an alternative to just buying your way to success? That he is citing sides like Leicester or Palace or West Ham of another way to become a solid PL club?
I don't think he is dismissing money being important but that it has to spent well on top of a variety of other items that can help make a side competitive and successful.
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
Sorry LTA we need a businesman rather than a "football man" in this position.
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Money may not guarentee sucess but buying better quality players and a decent coach to manage them will ensure that you won't be fighting relegation for 5 FUCKING YEARS
Heart of the matter in a sentence.
Picking the right man to run the football side of things is the most important thing.
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So, is that the last we will see and hear from Randy ?
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I know this is a bit of an "off the wall" suggestion, but does anyone think one idea would be to wait and see how the bloke gets on in the role and then form a judgement?
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So, is that the last we will see and hear from Randy ?
No, he'll be there at Wembley to watch us win the FA Cup in May.
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Anyway, has this new bloke got any money?
No I would say. Salary man it appears to me.
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I know this is a bit of an "off the wall" suggestion, but does anyone think one idea would be to wait and see how the bloke gets on in the role and then form a judgement?
What?! No way, hippy!
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Another businessman instead of a football manager.
More PR bullshit from Lerner
Chairman does not require a football manager.
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To paraphrase Reginald Perrin's boss CJ. We didn't get where we are today by letting people prove themselves before passing judgement.
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Does anyone know if Lerner (and Krulak) has resigned from the board/relinqueshed his director status with this appointment?
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"If the new @AVFCOfficial chairman's vowing to 'shake things up' will he ask the chief exec about the recruitment team that's clearly failed?"
Pat Murphy just tweeted this question!
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I wish Mr. Hollis every success and hope he helps lead Villa back to the very top of the game.
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I can't help but feel that Randy's just hiring someone to take pelters on his behalf.
I hope this fella has a bit of nous and will actually have the freedom and ideas to actually improve our situation. I don't want him just to be someone who can appear at the games and sit in the chairmans office.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
Very good point.
I feel a new soundbite coming with some scarves: 'Proud History, a future of austerity and underachieving'
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Try as I might I cannot get even a little bit get interested in this news. It might as well been Reg Hollis as far as I am concerned. I am interested in results and results only and that is down to the manager and his playing staff. This manager is trying to take the club forward. I hope this new bloke backs him to the hilt.
At the end of the day it is still Mr Lerner calling the shots. He owns the club.
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
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Good news, this can only be for the better surely?
Hopefully he's up to the job, its a massive one and he needs to be ruthless. Welcome aboard Steven Hollis.
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
But the summer recruitment was awful - the management team failed to replace the quality that was lost nevermind improve on last years near escape.
If you're implying it was Sherwood's fault then it's also fair to criticise the man that appointed him.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
Isn't what he is suggesting that this season shows good management, good players and good coaching this season can be an alternative to just buying your way to success? That he is citing sides like Leicester or Palace or West Ham of another way to become a solid PL club?
I don't think he is dismissing money being important but that it has to spent well on top of a variety of other items that can help make a side competitive and successful.
He might want to check just how 'little' those clubs have spent, and how 'small' their wage bills are. I think he'd be surprised.
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If he is a Man City fan I hope he was one before the Masours and the free taxpayer funded ground. I will have more respect for him if he did some time at Maine Rd watching the endearing clowns of the First Division.
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
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Former Production Editor on the Teletubbies Fuck sake what next??
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Good
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success. Randy has consistently provided financial backing no less so than last year."
That strikes me as a fairly dangerous and worrying conclusion to have arrived at already!
Randy has provided consistent financial backing, but only in the same sense that Agbonlahor is a consistent Premier League goalscorer.
Yes it seems a slightly flawed conclusion. But good luck to the new Chairman.
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
But the summer recruitment was awful - the management team failed to replace the quality that was lost nevermind improve on last years near escape.
If you're implying it was Sherwood's fault then it's also fair to criticise the man that appointed him.
Well I'd argue that Amavi, Veretout and Ayew have probably been our best three players this year. The latter two in particular have grown brilliantly into their roles, so I'd hardly say recruitment was a disaster.
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
There are lots.
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Good "As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success. Randy has consistently provided financial backing no less so than last year."
That strikes me as a fairly dangerous and worrying conclusion to have arrived at already!
Randy has provided consistent financial backing, but only in the same sense that Agbonlahor is a consistent Premier League goalscorer.
Yes it seems a slightly flawed conclusion. But good luck to the new Chairman.
Also I hope that he/they realise that part of the reason we're in the mess we're in is that we simply haven't bought the quality of players we needed to buy. Saying that more players with the ability of Veretout and Ayew and we'll be flying.
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
Nearly all of them. Clue is in the title. The Chief Executive Officer represents the Executive, who run the club on a day-to-day basis. The Chairman represents the owners, usually shareholders but in this case Randy, and sets out the parameters that the Executive are to follow and holds their performance against those objectives to account.
http://www.differencebetween.net/business/difference-between-ceo-and-chairman/
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The largely expected cobblers from the invisible man; & a new Chairman with bugger-all football experience. Triffick.
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
But the summer recruitment was awful - the management team failed to replace the quality that was lost nevermind improve on last years near escape.
If you're implying it was Sherwood's fault then it's also fair to criticise the man that appointed him.
Well I'd argue that Amavi, Veretout and Ayew have probably been our best three players this year. The latter two in particular have grown brilliantly into their roles, so I'd hardly say recruitment was a disaster.
Nobody is arguing about those players. But overall the recruitment was a disaster (as it has been for some time) - otherwise we wouldn't be in the position where we are now. I'm not blaming them for bringing in the players you mentioned, but there was an obvious need for more quality in other areas too.
The 'recruitment team' surely included Sherwood, Fox and Lerner - and that wider team is fair game for criticism.
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This has to be preferable to Randy just selling up to the Venkys, or Kumars or Carson Yeung types.
At least we will have consistency with the plan of sticking with Garde. We now need to see him backed in the transfer window.
"The club needs a shake up and with Randy's continued support the board will look forward to working with Tom and Remi to help drive the changes that our fans rightfully demand and that our city can be proud of".
Clever choice of language using "our" fans and "our" city.
Look forward to seeing the "shake up"
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Now that Lescott has had his wake up call I would go so far as to say the summer signings have been good. Gestede is the glaring failure but any fair minded person would accept that his confidence is in tatters. I venture to suggest that if we still had Benteke and he was playing for us like he is for Liverpool there would be chorused asking why didn't we cash in on him when we had the chance. Selling them Benteke looks more and more like a good bit of business.
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yes bet he will have loads of stories from his days at Ragdoll produtions and Teletubbies just right to manage the clowns in Randy's 3 ring fuckin circus
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
Nearly all of them. Clue is in the title. The Chief Executive Officer represents the Executive, who run the club on a day-to-day basis. The Chairman represents the owners, usually shareholders but in this case Randy, and sets out the parameters that the Executive are to follow and holds their performance against those objectives to account.
http://www.differencebetween.net/business/difference-between-ceo-and-chairman/
None that I worked for. In fact the chairman actually changed his own job title to CEO at the last place I worked. What you are describing there as a CEO is in fact a Chief Operations Officer.
A 'representative of the shareholders', where such a thing exists, is normally a more passive role.
On a practical note, what this all means is that Fox will now have to relinquish powers that he previously held, and will have to be happy to do so. Either that or Hollis will have to spend most of his day making paper darts - which would leave Lerner out of a job.
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At least our chairman will actually be at matches to see things first hand now!
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
But the summer recruitment was awful - the management team failed to replace the quality that was lost nevermind improve on last years near escape.
If you're implying it was Sherwood's fault then it's also fair to criticise the man that appointed him.
Well I'd argue that Amavi, Veretout and Ayew have probably been our best three players this year. The latter two in particular have grown brilliantly into their roles, so I'd hardly say recruitment was a disaster.
Nobody is arguing about those players. But overall the recruitment was a disaster (as it has been for some time) - otherwise we wouldn't be in the position where we are now. I'm not blaming them for bringing in the players you mentioned, but there was an obvious need for more quality in other areas too.
The 'recruitment team' surely included Sherwood, Fox and Lerner - and that wider team is fair game for criticism.
It's difficult to gauge, I think you're both right. I don't think many people would disagree with the idea that had Ayew, Veretout, Amavi etc been used better earlier in the season we would probably have more points than we do now. If you buy a nice T-Bone steak, then boil it and serve it as the middle layer of a trifle, it doesn't mean that you bought bad ingredients.
That being said, the recruitment team had a responsibility to make sure that the squad was in such a state to perform in the environment they were working in. If the chef for whom you're buying ingredients isn't capable of doing anything more than opening tins of soup, don't buy him the T-Bone steak. Buy him tins of soup.
Or just fire him and hire a chef who is able to cook your steak properly, even if he did once manage to cook you a nice bowl of soup when you were really hungry a few months ago.
Edit: as for Murphy's comment, recruitment doesn't necessary mean players only. Whether you were in favour of one, the other, both or neither then there are legitimate questions that can be asked about the decisions to hire both Sherwood and Garde and the circumstances in which they were brought in. Those were recruitment decisions, just as much as Gestede and Ayew.
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
But the summer recruitment was awful - the management team failed to replace the quality that was lost nevermind improve on last years near escape.
If you're implying it was Sherwood's fault then it's also fair to criticise the man that appointed him.
Well I'd argue that Amavi, Veretout and Ayew have probably been our best three players this year. The latter two in particular have grown brilliantly into their roles, so I'd hardly say recruitment was a disaster.
Nobody is arguing about those players. But overall the recruitment was a disaster (as it has been for some time) - otherwise we wouldn't be in the position where we are now. I'm not blaming them for bringing in the players you mentioned, but there was an obvious need for more quality in other areas too.
The 'recruitment team' surely included Sherwood, Fox and Lerner - and that wider team is fair game for criticism.
It's difficult to gague, I think you're both right. I don't think many people would disagree with the idea that had Ayew, Veretout, Amavi etc been used better earlier in the season we would probably have more points than we do now. If you buy a nice T-Bone steak, then boil it and serve it as the middle layer of a trifle, it doesn't mean that you bought bad ingredients.
That being said, the recruitment team had a responsibility to make sure that the squad was in such a state to perform in the environment they were working in. If the chef for whom you're buying ingredients isn't capable of doing anything more than opening tins of soup, don't buy him the T-Bone steak. Buy him tins of soup.
Or just fire him and hire a chef who is able to cook your steak properly, even if he did once manage to cook you a nice bowl of soup when you were really hungry a few months ago.
We hired a Michelin star chef this time, but gave him tins of soup and told him the shops were closed.
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I would use a different metaphor. I would compare the assessment of our summer with a Dad who wants to know why his son did not win any medals at the school sports. The Mom has to point out that the lad spent the summer in hospital.
I think that not only were the bulk of our summer signing more than adequate the incumbent manager given his way would have brought in a bulk buy of Tottenham has beens and misfits. The summer could have been very much worse than it was.
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I welcome any new blood on to the board.
I still don't get Tom Fox when he talks about the progress we have made.
Hopefully we hear a lot less from him.
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Randy has consistently provided financial backing no less so than last year.
Am I being thick or is that a hilarious Freudian slip.
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Not about us but he seems pretty clued-up to me. Time will tell, obviously.
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I never know why people are so keen to appoint people that have been out of the game for ages. I like Taylor but his last spell was poor and he's only going to have become more out of touch since.
You are completely summising and have nothing to back that up.
Taken from Wikipedia; "Taylor served as chairman of Watford F.C. from 2009 until 2012 with whom he still holds position of honorary life-president"
Doesnt sound to me like someone completely out of touch with the game. And looking at Watford now, I know which club I think is in a better state.
I have utmost respect for Graham Taylor but that during that period of 2009-2012, Watford were in the duldrums under the ownership of Bassini who bled the club dry for his own personal gain. He left many parts of the stadium unfinished and there are rumours that he took money from the clubs petty cash safe towards the end of his reign.
It has only been since the Pozzo family bought the club that their fortunes have changed, largely through loans and cheap/free transfers from the other clubs that they own.
Taylor was used throughout Bassini's reign and during the start of the Pozzo ownership to empathise and placate the fanbase. It is often him who answers the fans Q&As.
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
They are completely different positions in most organisations, and for examples of companies having both I give you:
M&S
British Airways
Arsenal
Easyjet
Etc. In fact I'd be surprised if most big companies didn't have both.
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I've been following these threads on here all day and I'm absolutely staggered that Aston Villa Football Club, This Great Club of ours, has stooped so low as to employ a Maltese policeman to get OUR players making tins of soup out of toenails.
I don't go to matches any more but if I did I'd stop going.
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Not about us but he seems pretty clued-up to me. Time will tell, obviously.
'at the Aston Villa'!!!!
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I've been following these threads on here all day and I'm absolutely staggered that Aston Villa Football Club, This Great Club of ours, has stooped so low as to employ a Maltese policeman to get OUR players making tins of soup out of toenails.
I don't go to matches any more but if I did I'd stop going.
Here here
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I've been following these threads on here all day and I'm absolutely staggered that Aston Villa Football Club, This Great Club of ours, has stooped so low as to employ a Maltese policeman to get OUR players making tins of soup out of toenails.
I don't go to matches any more but if I did I'd stop going.
Here here
more !
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I welcome any new blood on to the board.
I will welcome any blood in the boardroom.
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Welcome Steven. Please give Villa the strong leadership and direction that you talk about.
Welcome Steven. Please give Remi a wad of cash to get someone who can put the ball in the back of the net regularly. Do that and pretty much everything else will fall into place without much effort.
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So is this 'the' statement?
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So the reason things have been so bad for 5 years is that we lacked a Chairman (Accountant/Bean Counter). I knew there had to be a reason.
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So is this 'the' statement?
It might be but then again it didn't mention the Shumanites.
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So, is that the last we will see and hear from Randy ?
Could well be.
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I like this:
“I admit, I wasn’t as tough as I should have been earlier in my management career, because I just didn’t realise the collateral damage which the wrong person can do to the organisation,” he said.
“Now though, if they flaunt their trappings too much, regardless of how talented they may be, then they have to move on, because the whole is so much more important than the individual.
“Too many people think fulfillment is having matching Ferraris, so they can drive separately to the same restaurant, simply to display their wealth. There needs to be more humility, and people need to realise that they aren’t achieving anything by acting in that manner.”
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So, is that the last we will see and hear from Randy ?
Could well be.
I hope he will come and join the European Cup winners victory parade in a few years.
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I would say it's blindingly obvious that he is here to sort out the shittiness of the club as a whole, "to address the underlying issues across the club", not just to focus on the playing side. To give it the "shake up" he mentions. Get the club running in a fit and proper way and success on the pitch should follow.
I think it may take some time!
You have my 100% support Mr Hollis.
I sincerely hope that you are very happy and successful in the job.
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Is he a perfect potential purchaser of a half and half scarf?
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Just a thought if we need a football man on the board what about that Spanish geezer Pep something or another he is free in the summer.
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"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success. Randy has consistently provided financial backing no less so than last year."
That strikes me as a fairly dangerous and worrying conclusion to have arrived at already!
Randy has provided consistent financial backing, but only in the same sense that Agbonlahor is a consistent Premier League goalscorer.
When did we attain 'success' by spending anyway? Bizarre thing to say.
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The less involvement Lerner and Fox have on major decisions the better for the club, the pair of them are fucking idiots.
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"He understands that significant progress has been made at the Club over the past year..." :o
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"He understands that significant progress has been made at the Club over the past year..." :o
Just ignore them, they're clowns and hope he's not as much of a bullshitter as they are, otherwise it's a long long long road back.
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"He understands that significant progress has been made at the Club over the past year... :o
...in the area of shirt sales..."
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The 'troubled organiations/embattled executives' bit is pretty funny. It's your business Randy.
The main priority for any club in this league - is staying in it. He's had so many alarm bells and close calls - its just complete negligence.
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No problem with this appointment. It is about time someone with a football background, and a supporter, we're added as NED's though.
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Does Fox report to this chap then? If so, does he has the power to fire Fox should he continue to be a gobshite and incompetent.
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Sorry but nothing is going to change until Lerner has sold the club...
Lerner needs to drop his asking price for A.V.F.C, we are not worth £200 million pounds...
Lerner again is giving false hope and leading fans up the garden path with this latest distraction...
We have been run so badly from top to bottom, we need a complete clear out and that needs a new owner with some passion and intelligence and as we know Lerner has none of those qualities...
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He won't sell any time soon.
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After this season he will be lucky if we are worth what he paid for us. Unless he's willing to take a big fat hit to the wallet then we are stuck with him and I seriously doubt that he will be putting anything more in to the club. He will be hoping to bounce back and have us stable in the Premier league so he could get closer to what he wants.
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So it sounds like they are saying don't expect us to spend our way out of the Championship.
Perhaps a prolonged stay in lower reaches is on the cards, with the possibility of "getting to the playoffs"
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He won't sell any time soon.
I think your right mate, and that's a major worry for Villa, when we go down Lerner will instigate another round of cost cutting and the cycle of bad decisions will start all over again..
Lerner needs to go ASAP he's the major problem at Villa and nothing is going to change until he's gone...
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Nah. Thar league is shit and the parachute payment next year covers all current costs pretty much.
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He won't sell any time soon.
I think your right mate, and that's a major worry for Villa, when we go down Lerner will instigate another round of cost cutting and the cycle of bad decisions will start all over again..
Lerner needs to go ASAP he's the major problem at Villa and nothing is going to change until he's gone...
I agree re Lerner but I wouldn't sell either if I were him. If you believed in your employees, that we would bounce straight back, why sell at the lowest ebb? Particularly if you dont have to deal with the day to day shite?
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I hope you are right Cheltenham and my feeling is wrong but I really think people underestimate what it's going to take to get out of that shit division, the players we have right now I just can't see doing any good.
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Nah. Thar league is shit and the parachute payment next year covers all current costs pretty much.
You honestly think Lerner will not start a cost cutting exercise if we go down?
You have more faith than me on this subject, I think he will, he's just that stupid and out of his depth...
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Who's fault is the last 5 years then Randy? Another yes man appointment who knows nothing about football; they never learn! Oh, and where's the apology to the fans who've suffered 5 years of shite?
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To paraphrase Reginald Perrin's boss CJ. We didn't get where we are today by letting people prove themselves before passing judgement.
Oi! I didn't get where I am today by not checking whether fellow posters were talking about me when I wasn't looking!
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It would appear that the club is very disjointed with playing matters separate from finance, youth development separate from 1st Team etc., etc. Decisions look as though they all have had to go through USA which has further added to the disjointed nature of the club.
What we have needed is somebody separate from each of the parts but close enough to see what is going on, to listen, mediate between the parts and keep the financier/owner aware of what is going on i.e. a Chairman. Decisions have to be made locally, rather than having to fly off to the States as has been the case. The Chairman has to oversee the balance between finance and the playing side.
What we now need is an advisor to the Board that is experienced with the playing side to ensure that what is happening is reported to the Board correctly. It would help if this person is respected in the game. This person does not have to lead, only advise on issues.
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Nah. Thar league is shit and the parachute payment next year covers all current costs pretty much.
You honestly think Lerner will not start a cost cutting exercise if we go down?
You have more faith than me on this subject, I think he will, he's just that stupid and out of his depth...
I don't think he will sell unless someone offered what he wants. Nor do I think we will try to make money by cutting the playing costs to the bone. It is, erm, a false narrative....
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Nah. Thar league is shit and the parachute payment next year covers all current costs pretty much.
You honestly think Lerner will not start a cost cutting exercise if we go down?
You have more faith than me on this subject, I think he will, he's just that stupid and out of his depth...
I don't think he will sell unless someone offered what he wants. Nor do I think we will try to make money by cutting the playing costs to the bone. It is, erm, a false narrative....
I agree Lerner will not sell until he gets what he wants, the problem with that is the club is not worth £200 million pounds so it looks like we're stuck with him, shit :-\
Mate Lerner has already cut playing cost to the bone we're seeing the results of that now in the premier league, he's been doing that for five years or so...
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"He understands that significant progress has been made at the Club over the past year..." :o
Blind leading the blind.
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I don't wish to defend the board again given how it has irritated people whilst we play like a bag of spanners. But...
He hasn't cut costs on the playing side that much we are Rotherham. We still punch well above our weight if you compare league position and expenditure.
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At least our chairman will actually be at matches to see things first hand now!
Good point. I wonder if he will be using Randys seat? It might actually make a difference for the players to see someone sat in the "big chair"
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At least our chairman will actually be at matches to see things first hand now!
Good point. I wonder if he will be using Randys seat? It might actually make a difference for the players to see someone sat in the "big chair"
He will start facing the wrong direction and spin round like Tom Jones if we win.
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At least our chairman will actually be at matches to see things first hand now!
Good point. I wonder if he will be using Randys seat? It might actually make a difference for the players to see someone sat in the "big chair"
On a scale of 1-10, I'm putting how much it will make a difference to the players if someone is sat in the Chairman's seat as much, much lower than zero.
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At least our chairman will actually be at matches to see things first hand now!
Good point. I wonder if he will be using Randys seat? It might actually make a difference for the players to see someone sat in the "big chair"
He will start facing the wrong direction and spin round like Tom Jones if we win.
That's actually in his contract. How did you know?
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To me this appointment is Lerners effort to shield himself from the fall out of relegation, it has come at the eleventh hour if this appointment had been made three or four years ago I would have applauded it but no he has had his hand forced. We have an accountant running the club so I would imagine that his main task is to look after Lerners investment and to spend as little as possible. Interesting times ahead.
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I'll reserve judgement. If he genuinely shakes things up and ensures a functioning business structure is in place that assists the footballing side of the business recover from the impending nadir, great. There's not much more that a chairman can do. If he is there simply to manage the austerity commensurate with that nadir - and I have to say that my initial reaction is that comments about clubs no longer buying success is from the same page as young and hungry as far as sugaring the pill to football supporters is concerned - then he'll just be another suit drawing a salary whilst the fans suffer.
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If he makes changes I think it will be over a longer term we may see improvements as he is already saying throwing money at the club is not the solution.
Sounds like the same shit different mouthpiece.
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At least our chairman will actually be at matches to see things first hand now!
Good point. I wonder if he will be using Randys seat? It might actually make a difference for the players to see someone sat in the "big chair"
I imagine he's already made sure the club has employed a look-alike to sit in his seat & take the shite that'll inevitably be coming his way from the mugged-off 'customers'. Oh & plenty of Security Gorillas in cheap, ill-fitting suits. Obviously.
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Not sure if he is a bean counter or not, but i got a feeling he has a big rubber on the end of his pencil.
When people are bought in to "shake up" a business it means the rubber gets used.
Lerner is preparing for more cost cutting Im afraid.
Nothing is going to get better at this club until Lerner has sold up and gone.
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Does Doug have to give him his AV1 plate ?
Anagram of his name is `Honest v Ellis`
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Please get me away from it, please, please. I bought it a few years ago in a rush of blood and now I can't stand the sight of it. Every time I think about it I start to feel sick. I just want rid of it but nobody will take it off my hands. It's costing me an arm and a leg. I know, I'll get someone else in to play chairman and make sure I don't lose anymore cash by cutting and cutting and cutting back.
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Can he spend Randys money willy nilly?
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So do we think that the statement Randy released is all we are going to get or do we think there will be another one regarding transfer funds, cancelling contracts etc?
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I've just got home from a hard days graft. I've just found out about this and read the statement. A bigger load of horseshit I will not read in a very long time. He's here to cut costs make no mistake. A plan for the championship and below.
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I've just spotted one positive however. Albeit from what looks like the YTS kid who used to fill the cash machines in the Barclays adverts, the Mails 'Business' correspondent is saying he is an expert on overseeing takeovers.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Quite a statement from a Man City fan.
He he. It is a pretty worrying statement. He seems to be attempting to dampen expectations before he's even got started.
"Money no longer buys success" will be the new mantra to explain lack of investment. I thought we'd be able to spend as much as giants like Stoke now we've spent half a decade trimming the wage bill but apparently not.
Ouch... hope yer wrong
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So do we think that the statement Randy released is all we are going to get or do we think there will be another one regarding transfer funds, cancelling contracts etc?
Has any chairman in the history of football ever released a statement talking about transfer funds and the cancelling of contracts?
If not, why would you expect Lerner to make one?
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Can he spend Randys money willy nilly?
Only Randy can do that.
Willy or nilly.
I hope it's Willy.
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The statement about throwing money at the problem isn't the solution well I will say that the club that spends 100 million invariably ends up with a better team than the one that spends 10 million. Just plain nonsense.
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Most listed companies these days have a Board made up of executives (those who work there day to day and run operations) and non-executives (who basically give top level strategy steer and keep the executives on the straight and narrow). A Chairman is usually a figure head, well linked in but with limited day to day responsibilities.
I worked at KPMG in Birmingham back in the day whilst Steve Hollis was the head of the Midlands region. He came across as very intelligent and hard working, with profile in local business. Whether this makes him a good choice for Villa is uncertain however I wouldn't expect him to have a massive impact on the on-field performances. Moreover he will he looking at Fox's performance and the structure of the club as a business. It's another layer of management between the day to day operations and Randy.
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I can understand that comment in fairness. Is throwing the right money into the right area to be both better and sustainable
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I wouldn't fancy Paddy Reillys chances of surviving once this bloke gets moving.
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
But the summer recruitment was awful - the management team failed to replace the quality that was lost nevermind improve on last years near escape.
If you're implying it was Sherwood's fault then it's also fair to criticise the man that appointed him.
Well I'd argue that Amavi, Veretout and Ayew have probably been our best three players this year. The latter two in particular have grown brilliantly into their roles, so I'd hardly say recruitment was a disaster.
I would quibble over the phrase "grown brilliantly into their roles" Paul. Both are showing endeavour and promise, but are far from stars.
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Pat Murphy missing the obvious flaw in his snide remarks again
But the summer recruitment was awful - the management team failed to replace the quality that was lost nevermind improve on last years near escape.
If you're implying it was Sherwood's fault then it's also fair to criticise the man that appointed him.
Well I'd argue that Amavi, Veretout and Ayew have probably been our best three players this year. The latter two in particular have grown brilliantly into their roles, so I'd hardly say recruitment was a disaster.
You don't think Ayew has been a star for us? I'd disagree.
I would quibble over the phrase "grown brilliantly into their roles" Paul. Both are showing endeavour and promise, but are far from stars.
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5 live reporting that Brian little is joining the board!? Would be a strong first move!
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5 live reporting that Brian little is joining the board!? Would be a strong first move!
Agree with that wholeheartedly, walking on water does have its advantages
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5 live reporting that Brian little is joining the board!? Would be a strong first move!
Agree with that wholeheartedly, walking on water does have its advantages
Especially in this weather!
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Paul Winch, I like Ayew's attitude but don't think he is a star yet.
The most amazing thing in Randy's statement is the comment that we have not been on a stable footing for five years. To take five years to realise that is unbelievable.
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5 live reporting that Brian little is joining the board!? Would be a strong first move!
WHAT!!!!!!!!
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Has it been confirmed our new chairman is doing this on a full time basis?
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Has it been confirmed our new chairman is doing this on a full time basis?
He doesn't seem to do much on a full time basis for long!
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I wouldn't fancy Paddy Reillys chances of surviving once this bloke gets moving.
Presumably you're basing this insight on something?
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No it's an Internet forum it's about opinions. This is mine. But if I've done something wrong I'm sure you'll let me know.
If Brian is joining the board then I'm obviously delighted with that.
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This was always going to be the statement, they pretty much told us that last month so I don't understand why anyone is surprised/shocked/angry but if this thread is remotely indicative of the general fans then the guy is fucked before he starts, far too many people willing to throw him under a bus without seeing anything more than a very normal introduction statement.
Last summer Lerner promised to appoint a chairman if the sale didn't happen and this is him fulfilling that, it doesn't mean cost cutting or planning for the championship or anything of the sort, it simply means that he's sticking to his word. I get that people are pissed with him over his poor management of the club but this should be a step towards improving that and yet he's getting shit over it and being told to drop the value of the club. He even outright admits to having made a mess of things (read the 2nd paragraph of the story on the original link - "not been on stable footing for at least five years", "getting into the thick of troubled organisations, working with embattled executives", "deeply serious predicament in which the Club has found itself" - none of that suggests he's oblivious of the problems or doesn't see that the senior management structure has been at the heart of the problem) but it's clearly easier for many to call him thick and slag him off a bit more than accept that this is him trying to address his mistakes.
The money thing, he's absolutely right, spending huge sums with nothing to show for it can only work for 2-3 clubs in the country and all of those have a massive advantage over the rest of us from huge commercial operations underpinned by champions league money. All the others that try to do the same end up in the shit, we're right art the end of that process and still people don't understand. Spending money wisely will still happen, nothing suggests that isn't the case, they just won't throw money around stupidly, and allow huge amounts of waste, we should never be in a situation like we were a couple of years ago where we had a squad worth a fraction of what it cost. Losing those huge sums of money is not something supporters should be hoping for, as I said in the summer I find it bizarre that net spends of £20-30m every season are seen as some sort of requirement by so many fans no other league/sport operates to such utterly destructive intentions.
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Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere, but I would have thought one of the jobs of the chairman would be to be involved in the process of recruiting a football manager. I was hoping the new chairman would have some experience of football in some capacity as well as business acumen. I can't help but think he's been employed as final chance to deflect the shit away from Lerner.
I hope Garde becomes a great success at the club, but if the time comes that he has to get rid, who is responsible again for bringing in a manager. I really hope a Brian Little/Graham Taylor type character can come in to help with the football liaison side of things with fans, media and the players even having someone overseeing it who knows football.
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Ayew is no star, he's done a good job so far in trying circumstances but he's scored a handful of goals and won us a handful of points. He like the rest of them have a lot of work to do.
Brian Little joining the board, I don't know I love the bloke, is he forthright enough to get his points across? I don't think his heart has been in anything but Villa his whole life. Could be a good move.
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This bloke is Randy's representative on Earth isn't he? Sent to give is the "Will of Randy" which cometh from afar. Doubt we will ever hear from Randy directly again as he has had enough of us whining and whinging about his club. The Chairman will sort this club ready for some form of sale and then be paid off handsomely. This seems to have bugger all to do with football - note the comment that football clubs are just like any other business? Well that's us fans put in our place isn't it.
The more I read it the angrier I am. Dear God I hope I am wrong.
Sir Brian on the Board - why the hell wasn't SGT there from the start - Oh I recall now he was snubbed by Randy!
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No it's an Internet forum it's about opinions. This is mine. But if I've done something wrong I'm sure you'll let me know.
I can't see that you've anything wrong, and it's a bit odd that you think you might have.
I just assumed that if you had an opinion you might have reasons for it. If not, that's still perfectly fine, you might just want to question why you hold that opinion.
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@brianlittle912 set to join villa board. At last we've needed a villa man on there for so long! #avfc
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No it's an Internet forum it's about opinions. This is mine. But if I've done something wrong I'm sure you'll let me know.
I can't see that you've anything wrong, and it's a bit odd that you think you might have.
I just assumed that if you had an opinion you might have reasons for it. If not, that's still perfectly fine, you might just want to question why you hold that opinion.
Okay sorry been a long day. I was just interpreting the bit about wasting money - depends whether he will conclude whether our summer recruitment policy was a success I suppose.
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No it's an Internet forum it's about opinions. This is mine. But if I've done something wrong I'm sure you'll let me know.
I can't see that you've anything wrong, and it's a bit odd that you think you might have.
I just assumed that if you had an opinion you might have reasons for it. If not, that's still perfectly fine, you might just want to question why you hold that opinion.
Okay sorry been a long day. I was just interpreting the bit about wasting money - depends whether he will conclude whether our summer recruitment policy was a success I suppose.
I have noticed you snap quite quickly Kippaxvilla. Chill my old son.
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No more than I've heard you do Rich especially at traffic lights and on five a side pitches.
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The last #avfc boss to win a trophy could be set to join the club's board.
So could a former Bank of England chief. https://t.co/HNKf9wb4lx
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This was always going to be the statement, they pretty much told us that last month so I don't understand why anyone is surprised/shocked/angry but if this thread is remotely indicative of the general fans then the guy is fucked before he starts, far too many people willing to throw him under a bus without seeing anything more than a very normal introduction statement.
Last summer Lerner promised to appoint a chairman if the sale didn't happen and this is him fulfilling that, it doesn't mean cost cutting or planning for the championship or anything of the sort, it simply means that he's sticking to his word. I get that people are pissed with him over his poor management of the club but this should be a step towards improving that and yet he's getting shit over it and being told to drop the value of the club. He even outright admits to having made a mess of things (read the 2nd paragraph of the story on the original link - "not been on stable footing for at least five years", "getting into the thick of troubled organisations, working with embattled executives", "deeply serious predicament in which the Club has found itself" - none of that suggests he's oblivious of the problems or doesn't see that the senior management structure has been at the heart of the problem) but it's clearly easier for many to call him thick and slag him off a bit more than accept that this is him trying to address his mistakes.
The money thing, he's absolutely right, spending huge sums with nothing to show for it can only work for 2-3 clubs in the country and all of those have a massive advantage over the rest of us from huge commercial operations underpinned by champions league money. All the others that try to do the same end up in the shit, we're right art the end of that process and still people don't understand. Spending money wisely will still happen, nothing suggests that isn't the case, they just won't throw money around stupidly, and allow huge amounts of waste, we should never be in a situation like we were a couple of years ago where we had a squad worth a fraction of what it cost. Losing those huge sums of money is not something supporters should be hoping for, as I said in the summer I find it bizarre that net spends of £20-30m every season are seen as some sort of requirement by so many fans no other league/sport operates to such utterly destructive intentions.
A rare chink of light in a whole mountain of shite I've seen written about this today.
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
They are completely different positions in most organisations, and for examples of companies having both I give you:
M&S
British Airways
Arsenal
Easyjet
Etc. In fact I'd be surprised if most big companies didn't have both.
It has been a few years since I retired Risso, and it looks like a certain amount of job title engineering has been going on there.
The 'chairman' of M&S, for example is a non executive director. It begs the question therefore of what exactly he is chairing. I can understand a role that acts as a conduit/sanity check between what the CEO is doing and what significant shareholders are comfortable with. In an age where the cost of failure is a good deal more than profits dipping by a few mil it makes sense.
Getting back to my original post and the Villa, a relatively small organisation with a single shareholder, it is hard to see how a structure with an owner, a chairman and a CEO will work. If Hollis has any job to speak of, Fox loses powers that (presumably) he once held. If on the other hand he is a non exec director, Lerner's man on the spot with peripheral executive powers, he isn't going to be doing much.
Lerner has previous with the Browns for setting up management structures that guarantee conflict. It did not work well.
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The last #avfc boss to win a trophy could be set to join the club's board.
So could a former Bank of England chief. https://t.co/HNKf9wb4lx
Any truth in this?
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The last #avfc boss to win a trophy could be set to join the club's board.
So could a former Bank of England chief. https://t.co/HNKf9wb4lx
Any truth in this?
It's unconfirmed as yet.
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The last #avfc boss to win a trophy could be set to join the club's board.
So could a former Bank of England chief. https://t.co/HNKf9wb4lx
Any truth in this?
Fingers crossed.
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I don't know if Sir Brian has the necessary experience for a role on the board but I welcome him back to the club with open arms(if it happens ) and I know he will be trying his best to improve things at the club. I've never heard of this Hollis guy but with the shit storm that we've found ourselves in I'm happy to wish him and the rest of the board the very best of luck in sorting the club out. Something had to be done. We couldn't carry on the way we were. It's going to be very interesting times ahead.
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I've just got home from a hard days graft. I've just found out about this and read the statement. A bigger load of horseshit I will not read in a very long time. He's here to cut costs make no mistake. A plan for the championship and below.
from what you've just read can you please expand on how you have reached these conclusions? I've missed some pages so...
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To have a man who genuinely loves Aston Villa join the board would be brilliant. And he walks on water. I hope this is true.
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This was always going to be the statement, they pretty much told us that last month so I don't understand why anyone is surprised/shocked/angry but if this thread is remotely indicative of the general fans then the guy is fucked before he starts, far too many people willing to throw him under a bus without seeing anything more than a very normal introduction statement.
Last summer Lerner promised to appoint a chairman if the sale didn't happen and this is him fulfilling that, it doesn't mean cost cutting or planning for the championship or anything of the sort, it simply means that he's sticking to his word. I get that people are pissed with him over his poor management of the club but this should be a step towards improving that and yet he's getting shit over it and being told to drop the value of the club. He even outright admits to having made a mess of things (read the 2nd paragraph of the story on the original link - "not been on stable footing for at least five years", "getting into the thick of troubled organisations, working with embattled executives", "deeply serious predicament in which the Club has found itself" - none of that suggests he's oblivious of the problems or doesn't see that the senior management structure has been at the heart of the problem) but it's clearly easier for many to call him thick and slag him off a bit more than accept that this is him trying to address his mistakes.
The money thing, he's absolutely right, spending huge sums with nothing to show for it can only work for 2-3 clubs in the country and all of those have a massive advantage over the rest of us from huge commercial operations underpinned by champions league money. All the others that try to do the same end up in the shit, we're right art the end of that process and still people don't understand. Spending money wisely will still happen, nothing suggests that isn't the case, they just won't throw money around stupidly, and allow huge amounts of waste, we should never be in a situation like we were a couple of years ago where we had a squad worth a fraction of what it cost. Losing those huge sums of money is not something supporters should be hoping for, as I said in the summer I find it bizarre that net spends of £20-30m every season are seen as some sort of requirement by so many fans no other league/sport operates to such utterly destructive intentions.
100% agree.
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5 live reporting that Brian little is joining the board!? Would be a strong first move!
WHAT!!!!!!!!
This would be ace!!
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The last #avfc boss to win a trophy could be set to join the club's board.
So could a former Bank of England chief. https://t.co/HNKf9wb4lx
Any truth in this?
It's unconfirmed as yet.
Positive move if it happens.
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
They are completely different positions in most organisations, and for examples of companies having both I give you:
M&S
British Airways
Arsenal
Easyjet
Etc. In fact I'd be surprised if most big companies didn't have both.
It has been a few years since I retired Risso, and it looks like a certain amount of job title engineering has been going on there.
The 'chairman' of M&S, for example is a non executive director. It begs the question therefore of what exactly he is chairing. I can understand a role that acts as a conduit/sanity check between what the CEO is doing and what significant shareholders are comfortable with. In an age where the cost of failure is a good deal more than profits dipping by a few mil it makes sense.
Getting back to my original post and the Villa, a relatively small organisation with a single shareholder, it is hard to see how a structure with an owner, a chairman and a CEO will work. If Hollis has any job to speak of, Fox loses powers that (presumably) he once held. If on the other hand he is a non exec director, Lerner's man on the spot with peripheral executive powers, he isn't going to be doing much.
Lerner has previous with the Browns for setting up management structures that guarantee conflict. It did not work well.
I agree this type of structure for a business the size of a football club with one shareholder is meaningless. A plc Chairman is usually in place to moniter and question the CEO on behalf of the shareholders who are widely spread . Ultimately he can act to remove the CEO but is not involved in the day to day running of the business.
As many have said its just another layer of management .Ultimately Lerner still controls the club.
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I don't know if Sir Brian has the necessary experience for a role on the board but I welcome him back to the club with open arms(if it happens ) and I know he will be trying his best to improve things at the club. I've never heard of this Hollis guy but with the shit storm that we've found ourselves in I'm happy to wish him and the rest of the board the very best of luck in sorting the club out. Something had to be done. We couldn't carry on the way we were. It's going to be very interesting times ahead.
Little knows his football though and certainly knows the Villa. He's the footballing link the board needs.
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The last #avfc boss to win a trophy could be set to join the club's board.
So could a former Bank of England chief. https://t.co/HNKf9wb4lx
Any truth in this?
Just Nigel Kennedy, David Cameron and Prince William to get in for the full set.
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Don't forget...Mervin King, Ian Lavender, one of the Weasley twins, Geezer Butler.
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Don't forget...Mervin King, Ian Lavender, one of the Weasley twins, Geezer Butler.
Oh, next time I will read above properly.
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The last #avfc boss to win a trophy could be set to join the club's board.
So could a former Bank of England chief. https://t.co/HNKf9wb4lx
Any truth in this?
Just Nigel Kennedy, David Cameron and Prince William to get in for the full set.
Don't forget Tom Hanks
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I don't know if Sir Brian has the necessary experience for a role on the board but I welcome him back to the club with open arms(if it happens ) and I know he will be trying his best to improve things at the club. I've never heard of this Hollis guy but with the shit storm that we've found ourselves in I'm happy to wish him and the rest of the board the very best of luck in sorting the club out. Something had to be done. We couldn't carry on the way we were. It's going to be very interesting times ahead.
Little knows his football though and certainly knows the Villa. He's the footballing link the board needs.
Agree I'm not just saying this because he's ex Villa but if you listen to when he commentates on our games he talks so much sense throughout really does know his stuff still.
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Brian has been co-commentator on a few games i've listened to the last few months and he does talk a lot of sense. Him joining isn't going to suddenly fix everything but at least it a) gives us as fans a bit of a 'lift' b) someone on the board we can relate to c) some football knowledge on the board at last. And d) I love Brian, he was my first hero so i'll just be delighted he's back home again.
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I don't know if Sir Brian has the necessary experience for a role on the board but I welcome him back to the club with open arms(if it happens ) and I know he will be trying his best to improve things at the club. I've never heard of this Hollis guy but with the shit storm that we've found ourselves in I'm happy to wish him and the rest of the board the very best of luck in sorting the club out. Something had to be done. We couldn't carry on the way we were. It's going to be very interesting times ahead.
Little knows his football though and certainly knows the Villa. He's the footballing link the board needs.
Agree I'm not just saying this because he's ex Villa but if you listen to when he commentates on our games he talks so much sense throughout really does know his stuff still.
Hasn't he been working in a DoF role for Jersey for a few years, that's similar enough to be considered reasonable experience. I'm much more interested in this than SGT or Big Ron who would both be very poor appointments now (Taylor would've been very good 10 years ago in that role, Ron would be awful PR no matter how much we liked him), I think that, if nothing else, all of the negatives about Hollis couldn't be repeated for Little so it would get the fans back onside and earn the club the time they need to rebuild and get rid of the toxic atmosphere that's settled in the last few years.
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This was always going to be the statement, they pretty much told us that last month so I don't understand why anyone is surprised/shocked/angry but if this thread is remotely indicative of the general fans then the guy is fucked before he starts, far too many people willing to throw him under a bus without seeing anything more than a very normal introduction statement.
Last summer Lerner promised to appoint a chairman if the sale didn't happen and this is him fulfilling that, it doesn't mean cost cutting or planning for the championship or anything of the sort, it simply means that he's sticking to his word. I get that people are pissed with him over his poor management of the club but this should be a step towards improving that and yet he's getting shit over it and being told to drop the value of the club. He even outright admits to having made a mess of things (read the 2nd paragraph of the story on the original link - "not been on stable footing for at least five years", "getting into the thick of troubled organisations, working with embattled executives", "deeply serious predicament in which the Club has found itself" - none of that suggests he's oblivious of the problems or doesn't see that the senior management structure has been at the heart of the problem) but it's clearly easier for many to call him thick and slag him off a bit more than accept that this is him trying to address his mistakes.
The money thing, he's absolutely right, spending huge sums with nothing to show for it can only work for 2-3 clubs in the country and all of those have a massive advantage over the rest of us from huge commercial operations underpinned by champions league money. All the others that try to do the same end up in the shit, we're right art the end of that process and still people don't understand. Spending money wisely will still happen, nothing suggests that isn't the case, they just won't throw money around stupidly, and allow huge amounts of waste, we should never be in a situation like we were a couple of years ago where we had a squad worth a fraction of what it cost. Losing those huge sums of money is not something supporters should be hoping for, as I said in the summer I find it bizarre that net spends of £20-30m every season are seen as some sort of requirement by so many fans no other league/sport operates to such utterly destructive intentions.
A rare chink of light in a whole mountain of shite I've seen written about this today.
Hear hear!
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Stop praising him. At this rate he is going to write even longer emails!
But it's good😊
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Brian has been co-commentator on a few games i've listened to the last few months and he does talk a lot of sense. Him joining isn't going to suddenly fix everything but at least it a) gives us as fans a bit of a 'lift' b) someone on the board we can relate to c) some football knowledge on the board at last. And d) I love Brian, he was my first hero so i'll just be delighted he's back home again.
Perhaps ask Sir Brian to concentrate on fan liaison? Good PR stunt to get the fans to like the Board a bit more. I suggest signing a few players this window might help a bit too. I hope this isn't yet another scrap Randy decision in appointing Hollis.
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To have a man who genuinely loves Aston Villa join the board would be brilliant. And he walks on water. I hope this is true.
And for me it's like getting a bit of our club back because Brian is there.
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Stop praising him. At this rate he is going to write even longer emails!
But it's good😊
Spot on olaf!
Very good indeed and so much common sense!
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Does anyone know of an organisation that has both a chairman and a CEO? How can a CEO be a CEO when he reports to a chairman?
Whatever Hollis' (and Fox's) capabilities are, we have a structure in place that lends itself to conflict and politics and not to good corporate management.
They are completely different positions in most organisations, and for examples of companies having both I give you:
M&S
British Airways
Arsenal
Easyjet
Etc. In fact I'd be surprised if most big companies didn't have both.
It has been a few years since I retired Risso, and it looks like a certain amount of job title engineering has been going on there.
The 'chairman' of M&S, for example is a non executive director. It begs the question therefore of what exactly he is chairing. I can understand a role that acts as a conduit/sanity check between what the CEO is doing and what significant shareholders are comfortable with. In an age where the cost of failure is a good deal more than profits dipping by a few mil it makes sense.
Getting back to my original post and the Villa, a relatively small organisation with a single shareholder, it is hard to see how a structure with an owner, a chairman and a CEO will work. If Hollis has any job to speak of, Fox loses powers that (presumably) he once held. If on the other hand he is a non exec director, Lerner's man on the spot with peripheral executive powers, he isn't going to be doing much.
Lerner has previous with the Browns for setting up management structures that guarantee conflict. It did not work well.
I agree this type of structure for a business the size of a football club with one shareholder is meaningless. A plc Chairman is usually in place to moniter and question the CEO on behalf of the shareholders who are widely spread . Ultimately he can act to remove the CEO but is not involved in the day to day running of the business.
As many have said its just another layer of management .Ultimately Lerner still controls the club.
I may be wrong, but I see this as Lerner finally arriving at his end game of detaching himself from the club. The club will be run over here, spending what it earns (with a buying fairly cheap and selling for profit policy) and living within it's means. Meanwhile, Lerner will be totally removed in the US, waiting for a buyer to come along.
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Yes in my view Lerner has effectively replaced himself with Hollis with budget autonomy to spend earnings as he sees fit.
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That's how I see it as well, this will be Lerner's last public statement unless of course we start winning a lot of games. He has been a massive failure for this club I wish the new chairman all the best he certainly couldn't do any worse. I hope the lads do the job on Saturday and give him a great start at Villa.
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Possibly disrespectful of me but all I could think when reading that news and statement is "yeah yeah, whatever, where are the new signings?"
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No it's an Internet forum it's about opinions. This is mine. But if I've done something wrong I'm sure you'll let me know.
I can't see that you've anything wrong, and it's a bit odd that you think you might have.
I just assumed that if you had an opinion you might have reasons for it. If not, that's still perfectly fine, you might just want to question why you hold that opinion.
Okay sorry been a long day. I was just interpreting the bit about wasting money - depends whether he will conclude whether our summer recruitment policy was a success I suppose.
I don't think you have to justify yourself or say sorry, it's your opinion as you say and I think a very valid one
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"Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation"
Looks like the fight is over in some quarters then...
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The cynic in me says Hollis is another layer of armour between Randy Lerner and what happens at the club. Another pair of hands for the buck to pass through. So long as he does not obstruct or hinder Remi Garde he can get on with, as another has said, making paper darts.
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The cynic in me says Hollis is another layer of armour between Randy Lerner and what happens at the club. Another pair of hands for the buck to pass through. So long as he does not obstruct or hinder Remi Garde he can get on with, as another has said, making paper darts.
Don't think you have to be a cynic to think that Brian - Hollis is here to run the club and Randy will never be heard of again until we are sold when he says goodbye and thanks for the seat at Wembley. I doubt that Randy has any real idea of the feeling towards him from fans at all, possibly a vague sense of threat ;-)
Lean times ahead methinks
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Agree WW. If you examine forensically the recent history of the club for evidence of impending change Paul Lambert left a trail of crumbs to follow.
I shall always believe Lambert was a Lerner arse licker as was his predecessor, and by being so got a completely undeserved contract extension and remained in place for at least a year too long. He let the cat out of the bag sucking up to Lerner when he claimed credit for lowering the fans' expectations. For me that was the writing on the wall. Financially manageable mediocrity was to be our holy grail. Glory was for others.
Hollis is to cement in place a policy of not doing anything to frighten the accountants.
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"Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation"
Looks like the fight is over in some quarters then...
I read this as a positive comment... like - knock me down and I'll get back up. Under the circumstances not a bad thing to say at all. But different people read things in different ways. "We're not afraid" sounds OK to me.
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Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation - all our high salaries and jobs are safe.
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To have a man who genuinely loves Aston Villa join the board would be brilliant. And he walks on water. I hope this is true.
And for me it's like getting a bit of our club back because Brian is there.
And that's why it would be a smart move.
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"Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation"
Looks like the fight is over in some quarters then...
"We're not afraid" sounds OK to me.
If they are really not afraid, they should be.
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Maybe not afraid, ashamed yes, but not afraid.
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Maybe not afraid, ashamed yes, but not afraid.
Ashamed, depressed, disgusted, ripped-off, conned, humiliated, downtrodden, ridiculed, embarrassed. But the fans will get over it.
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So the BBC headline quote from the new chairman should have been " ASTON VILLA - WE ARE ASHAMED"? - Maybe true, but not what I'd have wanted.
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Agree WW. If you examine forensically the recent history of the club for evidence of impending change Paul Lambert left a trail of crumbs to follow.
I shall always believe Lambert was a Lerner arse licker as was his predecessor, and by being so got a completely undeserved contract extension and remained in place for at least a year too long. He let the cat out of the bag sucking up to Lerner when he claimed credit for lowering the fans' expectations. For me that was the writing on the wall. Financially manageable mediocrity was to be our holy grail. Glory was for others.
Hollis is to cement in place a policy of not doing anything to frighten the accountants.
Agree with that Brian. Randy has/had a laudable but misguided need for "loyalty". He has run Villa like some feudal fiefdom where people are rewarded for their apparent loyalty to Randy despite any failings they may have in their actual jobs. Randy has always been more important than Aston Villa in this tale of woe.
Hollis has the look of a "super-head" brought in to sort out recalcitrant teachers and naughty pupils - can't see us fans having much influence
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Maybe not afraid, ashamed yes, but not afraid.
Ashamed, depressed, disgusted, ripped-off, conned, humiliated, downtrodden, ridiculed, embarrassed. But the fans will get over it.
I'm not ashamed of my club - I'm pretty pissed-off with the people who are supposed to run it and I am not looking forward to the local in-breds celebrations at our demise - but ashamed? No...
Yep, we will get over it but I hope we never forget how we ended up here
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NO - we as fans shouldn't be ashamed - it is the people within the club that should be ashamed of the way they have managed the things things that are beyond our control.
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NO - we as fans shouldn't be ashamed - it is the people within the club that should be ashamed of the way they have managed the things things that are beyond our control.
That's the one
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Can't really get over excited about anything in there to be honest, Reg Hollis looks to have been given the reins to run the club based on income generated, just like any good business would.
The only line that draws any anger or frustration at Lerner (and I know it's a figure of speech) is "deeply serious predicament in which the Club has found itself"
We haven't 'found' ourselves anywhere Randy, you & your idiotic appointments have led us there.
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I've not seen it anywhere but is the new bloke a full-time, hands-on appointment (in which case where does that leave Fox?) or a non-exec, pop in once a month to chair a meeting and look over the books type?
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I've not seen it anywhere but is the new bloke a full-time, hands-on appointment (in which case where does that leave Fox?) or a non-exec, pop in once a month to chair a meeting and look over the books type?
They've not said that he's stepping down from his present role so it would suggest the latter.
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Love this bit from our new chairman..
"As we have witnessed in the Premier League this year with other clubs - money no longer buys success."
Have to say, I absolutely hate that line. So disingenuous. Not a good first impression, but let's see how he does.
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Agree WW. If you examine forensically the recent history of the club for evidence of impending change Paul Lambert left a trail of crumbs to follow.
I shall always believe Lambert was a Lerner arse licker as was his predecessor, and by being so got a completely undeserved contract extension and remained in place for at least a year too long. He let the cat out of the bag sucking up to Lerner when he claimed credit for lowering the fans' expectations. For me that was the writing on the wall. Financially manageable mediocrity was to be our holy grail. Glory was for others.
Hollis is to cement in place a policy of not doing anything to frighten the accountants.
".. and we'll really shake 'em up,
when we reach financially manageable mediocrity,
'coz Villa ...."
It has a nice ring to it, and ties in nicely with the "shake up" we have been told about
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Absolutely agree Mellon. If they are going to trot out aphorisms to tranquilizes us at least they should be conclusive aphorisms. Money does not buy success but it makes failure less likely.
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Absolutely agree Mellon. If they are going to trot out aphorisms to tranquilizes us at least they should be conclusive aphorisms. Money does not buy success but it makes failure less likely.
Or money is no guarantee of success but failure has a proven track record of being available on the cheap.
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I am assuming that Randy is just delegating any role he currently does, basically saying only disturb if the ground is burning down. In theory that should allow the 'professionals' to get on with doing their jobs. How they perform is another matter but the thinking is right at least.
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NO - we as fans shouldn't be ashamed - it is the people within the club that should be ashamed of the way they have managed the things things that are beyond our control.
That's the one
Absolutely. We may be embarrassing on the pitch most of the time but I am never ever ashamed to be a Villa fan or embarrassed to say so - even though I might start conversations these days with 'for my sins, I follow the Villa', it's only to stop the other person getting in first about how shit we are
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I make a preemptive strike Richard. I say I have seen over 1000 Villa games live. You wish to say something about them?
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NO - we as fans shouldn't be ashamed - it is the people within the club that should be ashamed of the way they have managed the things things that are beyond our control.
That's the one
Absolutely. We may be embarrassing on the pitch most of the time but I am never ever ashamed to be a Villa fan or embarrassed to say so - even though I might start conversations these days with 'for my sins, I follow the Villa', it's only to stop the other person getting in first about how shit we are
I met a Welsh bloke at work recently and upon hearing my accent he asked which team I supported. When I said the Villa he laughed! A fuckin Swansea City supporter laughing at our proud club. Thanks Randy. After that I did educate him on Englands 4th most successful football club since the game was invented but it felt hollow. Thanks again Randy. Mind you it was quite funny watching him change the wheel on his van as I set off home. Dunno what happened there ;)
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Ashamed to be a Villa fan? No. Ashamed of the utter shitehawks masquerading as Aston Villa for the last five years? Mostly, definitely.
Money certainly doesn't guarantee success, but what should have been said was 'We need to be smarter when it comes to spending money.' But they're not very smart, are they?
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The trouble with making statements, people analyse how it could be interpreted or even how they want to interpret it. The statement was not a full legal 'dotting the i's and crossing the t's' statement and there was a lot not said that people are rightly questioning.
We can only wait to see how it develops or wait for further statements.
I take this development as positive as it means Lerner has finally recognised what a mess the club is in. Putting in place professional people to run a business is fundamental.
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Absolutely agree Mellon. If they are going to trot out aphorisms to tranquilizes us at least they should be conclusive aphorisms. Money does not buy success but it makes failure less likely.
Or money is no guarantee of success but failure has a proven track record of being available on the cheap.
Exactly
And that's the bit I am worried they don't quite get.
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I think they get it Paulie. They just don't come out with it in front of us. Pas avant des domestiques sort of thing.
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The trouble with making statements, people analyse how it could be interpreted or even how they want to interpret it. The statement was not a full legal 'dotting the i's and crossing the t's' statement and there was a lot not said that people are rightly questioning.
We can only wait to see how it develops or wait for further statements.
I take this development as positive as it means Lerner has finally recognised what a mess the club is in. Putting in place professional people to run a business is fundamental.
The issue I have with it omvf is that it is almost entirely business focussed, hardly a mention of the team or performances on the pitch. It smacks of someone who has had enough of us but can't get rid of a millstone round their neck so is just going to turn away and ignore us while hopefully not losing too much dosh
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Exactly, we will be in complete stasis I think now until someone ponies up some offer that Lerner finds acceptable. He wont be in a rush to sell us as long as we cost him no money and will now be causing him no stress and taking up zero of his time.
Whilst other clubs will be building towards achieving something and dreaming of better things under this regime we will be building towards causing Lerner no trouble at all and just getting by.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35312385
"..so that when we go to our board and ask them to spend money on acquiring players or coaches, we have a good sense for how that investment is going to pay off for the owner.."
There it is. No grey areas there.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35312385
"..so that when we go to our board and ask them to spend money on acquiring players or coaches, we have a good sense for how that investment is going to pay off for the owner.."
There it is. No grey areas there.
The only thing that concerns me in that report is the bit about Bodymore Heath. Reading between the lines it would appear that things are far worse than I imagined.
To have a successful club it must be based on sound financial footings unless we expect the Owner to keep on investing his own money into the club or risking the club future by borrowing money. There is probably only Man City and Chelsea that are investing significantly beyond their means. The remainder are either living within their means or speculating to accumulate. Speculation can only go on so long and with risk, must ask Leeds, Portsmouth etc.
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Acknowledging that the system is broken is only the beginning.
Identifying what good looks like is harder, and I have seen no evidence that we have anyone currently employed by the football club who is capable of defining that future state, let alone executing the transition.
What worries me is that we continue with the "we must do something, this is something, therefore we must do this" approach that has characterised the club over the last ten years.
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I said it last night in that the various parts of the club appear to be disconnected. What we need on the Board is a 'footballing' advisor. Somebody that knows what 'good' looks like, as you say. Although I do not think Brian Little would be up to running the club as a whole because, basically he is too nice a guy, I think he could be ideal in this role.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35312385
"..so that when we go to our board and ask them to spend money on acquiring players or coaches, we have a good sense for how that investment is going to pay off for the owner.."
There it is. No grey areas there.
I really don't see the problem, agian I just don't see the problem that so many of you are keen to jump on. That statement, that's perfectly fine, pay off doesn't mean make a profit, it means provide value. If we sign a striker for £10m and he scores for fun and fits the team then that's value, if we spend £10m on a flowerpot that does fuck all and leeches money from the club for 5 years then that's not value, does anyone want us to sign more like charlie?
Exactly, we will be in complete stasis I think now until someone ponies up some offer that Lerner finds acceptable. He wont be in a rush to sell us as long as we cost him no money and will now be causing him no stress and taking up zero of his time.
Whilst other clubs will be building towards achieving something and dreaming of better things under this regime we will be building towards causing Lerner no trouble at all and just getting by.
What part of the statement(s) suggests we're just going to be in statis, completely remove your own bias from this and read it again, they talk about rebuilding the structure of the club to improve things, that's about the most obvious thing anyone could say in this situation, it's painfully clear that it needs to happen, so why is this a negative?
Absolutely agree Mellon. If they are going to trot out aphorisms to tranquilizes us at least they should be conclusive aphorisms. Money does not buy success but it makes failure less likely.
Or money is no guarantee of success but failure has a proven track record of being available on the cheap.
Exactly
And that's the bit I am worried they don't quite get.
I disagree, the 2 biggest failures in the premier league era are Leeds and Portsmouth, both got themselves into that situation by spending money they didn't have and not getting anything to show for it, in real terms they gambled and lost. Even the more minor failures (like Man U for the last couple of years, or Sunderland since Short arrived or QPR under fernandez) have generally spent enough money, they've just spent it really badly. Being 'cheap' really shouldn't be seen as so negative, regularly losing money is a far worse situation to be in.
I take this development as positive as it means Lerner has finally recognised what a mess the club is in. Putting in place professional people to run a business is fundamental.
This is the right attitude for me, identifying the problem and appointing someone with a track record for fixing that particular problem, even if it was in another industry, is the absolute right thing to do.
The issue I have with it omvf is that it is almost entirely business focussed, hardly a mention of the team or performances on the pitch. It smacks of someone who has had enough of us but can't get rid of a millstone round their neck so is just going to turn away and ignore us while hopefully not losing too much dosh
Why should that matter, we've signed about 50 players and had 5 different managers and numerous coaches since things started to go wrong and none of that has helped. Everyone talks about the problems being deeper than the players and manager so why aren't we pleased to see someone come in with the remit of finding the cause and having Lerner's full backing to deal with it? This is what has needed to happen for years, it eventually happens and now people are complaining about it being just a way for Lerner to get further away, isn't that what most people have wanted for the last couple of years?
Again, I understand being angry but lots of the comments on here read like random lashing out rather than any thought out opinions of the appointment.
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I've not seen it anywhere but is the new bloke a full-time, hands-on appointment (in which case where does that leave Fox?) or a non-exec, pop in once a month to chair a meeting and look over the books type?
That is a very good question. I think it's Lerner's way to move himself out of the equation. I In his mind he has written off the investment he has made and we are now on our own. Earn and spend basis.
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Because I think that as long as Lerner is there the primary goal of the club will be to cause Lerner no hassle and just tick along. Can you really see an ambitious Villa under the ownership of a man who doesn't want to be involved at all, a Chairman who is a local money man and a CEO who is a fuck wit who advised hiring Sherwood and talks of improvements the last couple of seasons?
I'm probably wanting us to jump before we can even crawl because as we all know the club is a shambles from top to bottom but the way they talk, it's all very dull and business like, it's all about processes and such. I know we need those in place but there's no talk of Villa being back at the top, entertaining football, winning matches. The football is hardly mentioned by anyone these days. I'm just not enjoying any of this at all, this season I've hated football.
Where is the drive at the club to do anything other than be ok and get Lerner some peace and quiet. The bloke is a prat and unfortunately I don't trust anyone he employs because of his appalling track record.
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I see Tom Fox's Bodymoor comments as another deflection away from his inadequacies, ie. blaming the managers, coaches and players for the problems, which clearly as CEO he has the power to resolve...and it boils my piss.
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I make a preemptive strike Richard. I say I have seen over 1000 Villa games live. You wish to say something about them?
That is amazing Brian, I can't boast anything anywhere near that number. We will all stick together, and in a bizarre sort of way I'm already looking forward to trips to places like Brighton and Reading near me next season. We will take huge followings and probably have a ball. Brighton would certainly be a brilliant day out and certainly more fun than what we have had to put up with these past few seasons
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/35312385
"..so that when we go to our board and ask them to spend money on acquiring players or coaches, we have a good sense for how that investment is going to pay off for the owner.."
There it is. No grey areas there.
I really don't see the problem, agian I just don't see the problem that so many of you are keen to jump on. That statement, that's perfectly fine, pay off doesn't mean make a profit, it means provide value. If we sign a striker for £10m and he scores for fun and fits the team then that's value, if we spend £10m on a flowerpot that does fuck all and leeches money from the club for 5 years then that's not value, does anyone want us to sign more like charlie?
Yep
Exactly, we will be in complete stasis I think now until someone ponies up some offer that Lerner finds acceptable. He wont be in a rush to sell us as long as we cost him no money and will now be causing him no stress and taking up zero of his time.
Whilst other clubs will be building towards achieving something and dreaming of better things under this regime we will be building towards causing Lerner no trouble at all and just getting by.
What part of the statement(s) suggests we're just going to be in statis, completely remove your own bias from this and read it again, they talk about rebuilding the structure of the club to improve things, that's about the most obvious thing anyone could say in this situation, it's painfully clear that it needs to happen, so why is this a negative?
Indeed
Absolutely agree Mellon. If they are going to trot out aphorisms to tranquilizes us at least they should be conclusive aphorisms. Money does not buy success but it makes failure less likely.
Or money is no guarantee of success but failure has a proven track record of being available on the cheap.
Exactly
And that's the bit I am worried they don't quite get.
I disagree, the 2 biggest failures in the premier league era are Leeds and Portsmouth, both got themselves into that situation by spending money they didn't have and not getting anything to show for it, in real terms they gambled and lost. Even the more minor failures (like Man U for the last couple of years, or Sunderland since Short arrived or QPR under fernandez) have generally spent enough money, they've just spent it really badly. Being 'cheap' really shouldn't be seen as so negative, regularly losing money is a far worse situation to be in.
This
I take this development as positive as it means Lerner has finally recognised what a mess the club is in. Putting in place professional people to run a business is fundamental.
This is the right attitude for me, identifying the problem and appointing someone with a track record for fixing that particular problem, even if it was in another industry, is the absolute right thing to do.
Absolutely
The issue I have with it omvf is that it is almost entirely business focussed, hardly a mention of the team or performances on the pitch. It smacks of someone who has had enough of us but can't get rid of a millstone round their neck so is just going to turn away and ignore us while hopefully not losing too much dosh
Why should that matter, we've signed about 50 players and had 5 different managers and numerous coaches since things started to go wrong and none of that has helped. Everyone talks about the problems being deeper than the players and manager so why aren't we pleased to see someone come in with the remit of finding the cause and having Lerner's full backing to deal with it? This is what has needed to happen for years, it eventually happens and now people are complaining about it being just a way for Lerner to get further away, isn't that what most people have wanted for the last couple of years?
Again, I understand being angry but lots of the comments on here read like random lashing out rather than any thought out opinions of the appointment.
I concur
Regards
Stuart Russon - Wednesbury 'Quoting on Messageboards Champion' 2009
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Because I think that as long as Lerner is there the primary goal of the club will be to cause Lerner no hassle and just tick along. Can you really see an ambitious Villa under the ownership of a man who doesn't want to be involved at all, a Chairman who is a local money man and a CEO who is a fuck wit who advised hiring Sherwood and talks of improvements the last couple of seasons?
I'm probably wanting us to jump before we can even crawl because as we all know the club is a shambles from top to bottom but the way they talk, it's all very dull and business like, it's all about processes and such. I know we need those in place but there's no talk of Villa being back at the top, entertaining football, winning matches. The football is hardly mentioned by anyone these days. I'm just not enjoying any of this at all, this season I've hated football.
Where is the drive at the club to do anything other than be ok and get Lerner some peace and quiet. The bloke is a prat and unfortunately I don't trust anyone he employs because of his appalling track record.
What quantifies ambitious to you though, does that mean 'spend money we don't have' because if it does then you're right we won't see that and we really shouldn't want to (after the MON fallout we more than most clubs should know the dangers of that approach), if it means willing to make changes (eventually) to turn things round then this may or may not be the start of that. It's too late and it might be too little but it's better than nothing and has to be seen as such. As I said, your take on this is biased because "the bloke is a prat" and you therefore see anything he does as negative. If he sold us cheaply and the new owners turned out like the hairdresser from down the road you'd be angry but by not lowering his price he's making you angry. I'm not saying you're wrong to be angry, just that it might not be correctly directed at the new chairman who right now has said everything I'd expect from someone taking that job at club/business in our state.
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A message from our new Chairman
It is a privilege for me to take the Chair of Aston Villa albeit we are witnessing one of the most difficult periods in the Club’s history. It is perhaps this challenge to help turnaround our Club’s fortunes that persuaded me that I could, as Chairman, make a contribution that will help lead the Club to better times.
My background is working in and leading large complex people businesses. I started my career in Birmingham over 30 years ago and then worked in London and extensively overseas. My job has been to drive change and bring out the best in talented individuals.
So when Randy first approached me to see if I would be interested in Chairing the Club my initial reaction was that whilst this is very flattering to be considered for this role I am not a football man and I must politely decline. However, Randy was very clear the Club does not need a football man as its Chairman, it needs someone who is proven at driving change in large complex organisations. The rest is history.
I do not underestimate the scale of the challenge that lies ahead and I am also clear that the problems we face now have been in the making for the past five years. I am also clear that the long term solution to the Club’s future rests in building a stable high quality team on and off the field and I look forward to working with Tom Fox and Remi Garde to deliver this.
The Premier League business model has and is changing. The skills gap in the 20 clubs first team squads is narrowing every year. Well run so called small Clubs have no fear from so called big Clubs. This trend will continue and the Clubs that will prosper will be those that have hard work and great attitude at the core of their values. A proud heritage has no respect in a very competitive market ¬ whatever the business. Money no longer buys success, our future lies in a passion for excellence and standards that will not accept anything but the best. A winning culture is addictive and this is one habit I want to see back in this great Club.
For this culture change to be successful you have a key role to play. Frankly given the Club's performance in recent years and months the frustration and emotional outpouring seen over the last few weeks is understandable. You want to see improvement. More than this you rightly demand to see improvement.
As the new Chairman I ask you to please keep supporting the team. You are the 12th man and when confidence is low do not underestimate the critical role you will play. Together we can drive the change we all want to see in our Club’s fortunes. Whatever happens to the Club this season our job is to build a culture that we can all be very proud of and a culture that will deliver sustainable outperformance. I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible at the forthcoming games.
Steve Hollis
Chairman
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Maybe not afraid, ashamed yes, but not afraid.
For clarity and apologies for quoting myself.
It seems some posters seem to think the above post is alluding to the fact that I feel that they,supporters should be ashamed. Nowhere does it say that, it was in response to a post from Jimbo who was referring to the club saying that Aston Villa is not afraid of relegation. I will repeat what I firmly believe, the club should be ashamed of relegation. Our whole history is the foundation the club was built on and as such should always be plying its trade amongst the top echelon. The previous five years are indeed, shameful.
Ballsed up the bolding, doh!
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Quite a strong first message from SH.
One concerning factor is that it does seem that everyone thinks we are going down. Wish there was a little bit more fighting talk to stay up (whether or not it's realistic)
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I read his last paragraph aimed at us in the style of John Gregory.
"Stop bloody moaning, here's two tickets, get your arse down the match and support the team"
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That's a very solid statement from the Chairman. I hope it all plays out as we want. Villa fans have been incredibly patient over the last few years and we still show up in great numbers home and away. The club needs to put in and execute on a plan to repay that show of faith. Good luck Mr Chairman.
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A message from our new Chairman
It is a privilege for me to take the Chair of Aston Villa albeit we are witnessing one of the most difficult periods in the Club’s history. It is perhaps this challenge to help turnaround our Club’s fortunes that persuaded me that I could, as Chairman, make a contribution that will help lead the Club to better times.
My background is working in and leading large complex people businesses. I started my career in Birmingham over 30 years ago and then worked in London and extensively overseas. My job has been to drive change and bring out the best in talented individuals.
So when Randy first approached me to see if I would be interested in Chairing the Club my initial reaction was that whilst this is very flattering to be considered for this role I am not a football man and I must politely decline. However, Randy was very clear the Club does not need a football man as its Chairman, it needs someone who is proven at driving change in large complex organisations. The rest is history.
I do not underestimate the scale of the challenge that lies ahead and I am also clear that the problems we face now have been in the making for the past five years. I am also clear that the long term solution to the Club’s future rests in building a stable high quality team on and off the field and I look forward to working with Tom Fox and Remi Garde to deliver this.
The Premier League business model has and is changing. The skills gap in the 20 clubs first team squads is narrowing every year. Well run so called small Clubs have no fear from so called big Clubs. This trend will continue and the Clubs that will prosper will be those that have hard work and great attitude at the core of their values. A proud heritage has no respect in a very competitive market ¬ whatever the business. Money no longer buys success, our future lies in a passion for excellence and standards that will not accept anything but the best. A winning culture is addictive and this is one habit I want to see back in this great Club.
For this culture change to be successful you have a key role to play. Frankly given the Club's performance in recent years and months the frustration and emotional outpouring seen over the last few weeks is understandable. You want to see improvement. More than this you rightly demand to see improvement.
As the new Chairman I ask you to please keep supporting the team. You are the 12th man and when confidence is low do not underestimate the critical role you will play. Together we can drive the change we all want to see in our Club’s fortunes. Whatever happens to the Club this season our job is to build a culture that we can all be very proud of and a culture that will deliver sustainable outperformance. I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible at the forthcoming games.
Steve Hollis
Chairman
Welcome. And with all my heart I wish you every success as our new chairman. This could be a Grade 1 fuck up or a stroke of genius from our owner. I'm hoping for the latter and will be giving my full support to the claret & blues. Long live Aston Villa football club.
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Good statement that.
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A message from our new Chairman
It is a privilege for me to take the Chair of Aston Villa albeit we are witnessing one of the most difficult periods in the Club’s history. It is perhaps this challenge to help turnaround our Club’s fortunes that persuaded me that I could, as Chairman, make a contribution that will help lead the Club to better times.
My background is working in and leading large complex people businesses. I started my career in Birmingham over 30 years ago and then worked in London and extensively overseas. My job has been to drive change and bring out the best in talented individuals.
So when Randy first approached me to see if I would be interested in Chairing the Club my initial reaction was that whilst this is very flattering to be considered for this role I am not a football man and I must politely decline. However, Randy was very clear the Club does not need a football man as its Chairman, it needs someone who is proven at driving change in large complex organisations. The rest is history.
I do not underestimate the scale of the challenge that lies ahead and I am also clear that the problems we face now have been in the making for the past five years. I am also clear that the long term solution to the Club’s future rests in building a stable high quality team on and off the field and I look forward to working with Tom Fox and Remi Garde to deliver this.
The Premier League business model has and is changing. The skills gap in the 20 clubs first team squads is narrowing every year. Well run so called small Clubs have no fear from so called big Clubs. This trend will continue and the Clubs that will prosper will be those that have hard work and great attitude at the core of their values. A proud heritage has no respect in a very competitive market ¬ whatever the business. Money no longer buys success, our future lies in a passion for excellence and standards that will not accept anything but the best. A winning culture is addictive and this is one habit I want to see back in this great Club.
For this culture change to be successful you have a key role to play. Frankly given the Club's performance in recent years and months the frustration and emotional outpouring seen over the last few weeks is understandable. You want to see improvement. More than this you rightly demand to see improvement.
As the new Chairman I ask you to please keep supporting the team. You are the 12th man and when confidence is low do not underestimate the critical role you will play. Together we can drive the change we all want to see in our Club’s fortunes. Whatever happens to the Club this season our job is to build a culture that we can all be very proud of and a culture that will deliver sustainable outperformance. I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible at the forthcoming games.
Steve Hollis
Chairman
Cheers Steve. Your message will mean a lot more if accompanied by an expensive signing or two. Make sure you do that within the next two weeks.
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That statement reads.
Work hard, work harder and there's no cash. Classic venture capitalist stuff, make us lean and mean and sell us on. This guy will have zero impact on the playing side other than to be in charge of the purse strings.
Move on, nothing to see here.
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To solve a problem you have to first recognise there is a problem rather than burying your head in the sand.
Hopefully this is the first step in the right direction.
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That statement reads.
Work hard, work harder and there's no cash. Classic venture capitalist stuff, make us lean and mean and sell us on. This guy will have zero impact on the playing side other than to be in charge of the purse strings.
Move on, nothing to see here.
It reads that way if that exactly what you expect to read. Otherwise, as most others have read, it says that he knows it's a tough job but he wants to help build a winning culture, which is exactly what you'd expect from him at this point. It's also pretty normal to see comments like this about funding, it does the club no good if everyone thinks we're planning to spend huge sums, regardless of whether we are or not. The only time you ever hear a chairman/ceo/owner talk about all the money they're going to spend it's said by a complete bellend who's in the game purely to feed their own ego, such as the bunch at West Ham.
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That statement reads.
Work hard, work harder and there's no cash. Classic venture capitalist stuff, make us lean and mean and sell us on. This guy will have zero impact on the playing side other than to be in charge of the purse strings.
Move on, nothing to see here.
im a bit like that, a bit meh
sounds good, talk is cheap, lets see what he delivers
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We'll only see him make a difference in his hirings and firings. Our whole set up is a pile of dung. Fox is shit. The transfer committee is made up of people who have been vastly promoted from the jobs they previously had. We lack football knowledge at the club. Now I don't buy into the notion a chairman should be a football man. That is a rarity these days and frankly this is a business first and foremost and you need someone with a business brain running the club. But we do need to appoint a couple of people with a vast understanding of the game on our board who will have a bit more nous about the game itself and where we could improve the set up of the club, from growing our own talent to player recruitment.
So in the next year I'd like to see a shake up at board room level. I'd also like to see us make more movement in acquiring the staff that Remi wants in his backroom and coaching team. We're understaffed right now. We left Lambert struggling for too long without a suitable team. Sherwood came in and had a skeleton crew (and both he and Lambert had to make do with bizarre temp jobs like Keane and Wilkins, both of whom were always destined to fuck off within months) and Remi is now running on that too.
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That statement reads.
Work hard, work harder and there's no cash. Classic venture capitalist stuff, make us lean and mean and sell us on. This guy will have zero impact on the playing side other than to be in charge of the purse strings.
Move on, nothing to see here.
It reads that way if that exactly what you expect to read. Otherwise, as most others have read, it says that he knows it's a tough job but he wants to help build a winning culture, which is exactly what you'd expect from him at this point. It's also pretty normal to see comments like this about funding, it does the club no good if everyone thinks we're planning to spend huge sums, regardless of whether we are or not. The only time you ever hear a chairman/ceo/owner talk about all the money they're going to spend it's said by a complete bellend who's in the game purely to feed their own ego, such as the bunch at West Ham.
I wasn't expecting anything, I'm just going on my experience of deciphering corporate waffle.
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So when Randy first approached me to see if I would be interested in Chairing the Club my initial reaction was that whilst this is very flattering to be considered for this role I am not a football man and I must politely decline. However, Randy was very clear the Club does not need a football man as its Chairman, it needs someone who is proven at driving change in large complex organisations. The rest is history.
Steve Hollis
Chairman
So all of you who were calling for a Chairman with football knowledge (me included) were wrong, Randy says otherwise ::)
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That statement reads.
Work hard, work harder and there's no cash. Classic venture capitalist stuff, make us lean and mean and sell us on. This guy will have zero impact on the playing side other than to be in charge of the purse strings.
Move on, nothing to see here.
It reads that way if that exactly what you expect to read. Otherwise, as most others have read, it says that he knows it's a tough job but he wants to help build a winning culture, which is exactly what you'd expect from him at this point. It's also pretty normal to see comments like this about funding, it does the club no good if everyone thinks we're planning to spend huge sums, regardless of whether we are or not. The only time you ever hear a chairman/ceo/owner talk about all the money they're going to spend it's said by a complete bellend who's in the game purely to feed their own ego, such as the bunch at West Ham.
I wasn't expecting anything, I'm just going on my experience of deciphering corporate waffle.
Does it pay well?
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That statement reads.
Work hard, work harder and there's no cash. Classic venture capitalist stuff, make us lean and mean and sell us on. This guy will have zero impact on the playing side other than to be in charge of the purse strings.
Move on, nothing to see here.
It reads that way if that exactly what you expect to read. Otherwise, as most others have read, it says that he knows it's a tough job but he wants to help build a winning culture, which is exactly what you'd expect from him at this point. It's also pretty normal to see comments like this about funding, it does the club no good if everyone thinks we're planning to spend huge sums, regardless of whether we are or not. The only time you ever hear a chairman/ceo/owner talk about all the money they're going to spend it's said by a complete bellend who's in the game purely to feed their own ego, such as the bunch at West Ham.
I wasn't expecting anything, I'm just going on my experience of deciphering corporate waffle.
Does it pay well?
Alas being cynical pays very little.
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Cynicism. The devils way of keeping Brunmies down.
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Cynicism. The devils way of keeping Brunmies down.
Brummies are genetically cynical.
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I'm struggling to get my head round the notion of an owner, chairman and chief executive.
Surely Lerner will still have to sanction any decisions made, and Hollis is an employee of Lerner, so has to be in agreement with him anyway. Presume he's now the front man as opposed to Fox? Will Fox now be more on the commercial side if they do bring in a football man as a director?
Too many cooks?
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Couple of things.
1. There's been more uttered in public by the clubs custodians in the last 36 hours than in the last five years put together which is a good thing.
2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing but it can only happen if the club only spends what it earns so there's likely to be some pretty tough times ahead - probably part of the reason we are hearing stories such as Gabby being touted around on a free. At least it looks like the time when players come here for a holiday and one last pay cheque are coming to an end.
As Jack Karnehm once said 'ah good luck mate.'
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I'm struggling to get my head round the notion of an owner, chairman and chief executive.
Surely Lerner will still have to sanction any decisions made, and Hollis is an employee of Lerner, so has to be in agreement with him anyway. Presume he's now the front man as opposed to Fox? Will Fox now be more on the commercial side if they do bring in a football man as a director?
Too many cooks?
Considering the current cooks spend all day having a fag out the back watching the clouds go by while the customers are inside complaining constantly to the waiter then an extra one or two isn't going to hurt. Who knows they might actually know how to cook or even actually start cooking.
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I'm struggling to get my head round the notion of an owner, chairman and chief executive.
Surely Lerner will still have to sanction any decisions made, and Hollis is an employee of Lerner, so has to be in agreement with him anyway. Presume he's now the front man as opposed to Fox? Will Fox now be more on the commercial side if they do bring in a football man as a director?
Too many cooks?
There's a typo in the last word of your post
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I'm struggling to get my head round the notion of an owner, chairman and chief executive.
Surely Lerner will still have to sanction any decisions made, and Hollis is an employee of Lerner, so has to be in agreement with him anyway. Presume he's now the front man as opposed to Fox? Will Fox now be more on the commercial side if they do bring in a football man as a director?
Too many cooks?
Ownership and control of a company are two different things. Lerner is no longer on the board and has no involvement in he running of he club.
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I think we'd pretty much all agree that the one thing that could improve this clueless clusterfuck of a management structure would be another executive who knows nothing about football.
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I am willing to give this chap a chance. Thankfully much like replacing Gestede up front, the starting expectation for him is low. A chair quite rightly should be more business or at least organisational minded than football. But the board he builds needs to have football knowledge on it. Good luck to him.
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Depends on whether he appoints a footballing NED. Not something Fox could have done as CEO, that would have been Lerner's perogative as chairman.
Yes there's a lot of "corporate speak" in the statement, but this is a guy that's spent decades in that environment so that's his natural vocabulary.
If this works how it should, he's been brought in to identify where the whole thing has gone south from an organisational and structural point of view and make sure the board members deliver and appoint extra board members if required, obviously someone with football experience should be first on the list.
Hopefully Lerner's only involvement in future will be if Hollis goes to Lerner for funding as lender of first resort.
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I am willing to give this chap a chance. Thankfully much like replacing Gestede up front, the starting expectation for him is low. A chair quite rightly should be more business or at least organisational minded than football. But the board he builds needs to have football knowledge on it. Good luck to him.
Agreed seems harsh to write him off already.
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I think we'd pretty much all agree that the one thing that could improve this clueless clusterfuck of a management structure would be another executive who knows nothing about football.
I think we need two, just to be sure.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
That's the part that caught my attention Kippax. Basically " this club has not been on a stable footing for 5 years" screams I have been too inept / disinterested to deal with this. Somewhat neglectful, I would say.
The statement by Hollis reads fine by me. Not very inspiring but as a first communique it is fine.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
That's the part that caught my attention Kippax. Basically " this club has not been on a stable footing for 5 years" screams I have been too inept / disinterested to deal with this. Somewhat neglectful, I would say.
Yep.
Although I also noticed the reference that followed, specifically regarding Bodymoor Heath, which made it sound like they thought the management side of things was great, it was all about training ground problems.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
That's the part that caught my attention Kippax. Basically " this club has not been on a stable footing for 5 years" screams I have been too inept / disinterested to deal with this. Somewhat neglectful, I would say.
The statement by Hollis reads fine by me. Not very inspiring but as a first communique it is fine.
His interview on the news earlier was less than inspiring. The fact that he thought it was one of his mates winding him up says it all about this ludicrous appointment.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing
It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there. I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.
I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.
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I am willing to give this chap a chance. Thankfully much like replacing Gestede up front, the starting expectation for him is low. A chair quite rightly should be more business or at least organisational minded than football. But the board he builds needs to have football knowledge on it. Good luck to him.
Quite. We've been run poor;y for a while now so lets see what he can do. Not really sure about his and Fox's role as they surely will cross over. But i get the feeling that fox won't be with us come the summer anyway. the more I hear garde speak the less I think we need a director of football and have a better linear model of Garde - Hollis - Lerner.
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I think we'd pretty much all agree that the one thing that could improve this clueless clusterfuck of a management structure would be another executive who knows nothing about football.
Does he need to know anything about football for his role though? There are people on here with far superior knowledge to me about how organisations work, but I see him simply as someone who has been employed to ensure the club is kept on a sound financial footing. Either that, or he has been brought in with a view to us going down and his job is to oversee the business side of that change. It is the people below him in the structure that should be the 'football men', starting with Fox. Although I have a major dislike of them, you have to look at the job Peace has done at the Albion during his time there. Is he really a 'football man'.
The one thing I hope he can improve is the communication with the fans. He seems to be a football fan himself, so hopefully we will see an end to the type of nonsense that has been spouted by the hierarchy at the club over the past few years.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
That's the part that caught my attention Kippax. Basically " this club has not been on a stable footing for 5 years" screams I have been too inept / disinterested to deal with this. Somewhat neglectful, I would say.
Yep.
Although I also noticed the reference that followed, specifically regarding Bodymoor Heath, which made it sound like they thought the management side of things was great, it was all about training ground problems.
Apparently, the toaster is fucked and they have run out of ketchup.
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The one thing I hope he can improve is the communication with the fans. He seems to be a football fan himself, so hopefully we will see an end to the type of nonsense that has been spouted by the hierarchy at the club over the past few years.
That's the opposite of what he said.
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I am willing to give this chap a chance. Thankfully much like replacing Gestede up front, the starting expectation for him is low. A chair quite rightly should be more business or at least organisational minded than football. But the board he builds needs to have football knowledge on it. Good luck to him.
Quite. We've been run poor;y for a while now so lets see what he can do. Not really sure about his and Fox's role as they surely will cross over. But i get the feeling that fox won't be with us come the summer anyway. the more I hear garde speak the less I think we need a director of football and have a better linear model of Garde - Hollis - Lerner.
I don't think that's right, imagine everything is exactly the same but the name at the top is now Hollis instead of Lerner, I believe that's how this is intended to work.
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Supports Man City doesn't he?
I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.
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Supports Man City doesn't he?
I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.
it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
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He nearly had me fooled with his bullshit. What a pity that the whole board have given up on staying in this division. I can just see them all in that boardroom, sucking Fox's Glacier Mints and sticking flipcharts on the wall. Total business bullshit speak.
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Hollis sounds like a portmanteau of Houllier and Ellis. Gawd 'elp us!
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How low have we sunk and such like.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.
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He nearly had me fooled with his bullshit. What a pity that the whole board have given up on staying in this division. I can just see them all in that boardroom, sucking Fox's Glacier Mints and sticking flipcharts on the wall. Total business bullshit speak.
and yet if they'd come out with "we believe that we have every chance of staying in the premier league and progressing" there'd have been loads of comments about them not knowing anything about the game and randy probably not knowing what relegation is, etc.
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Supports Man City doesn't he?
I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.
it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.
Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.
You don't get excited when the Villa win, but corporate governance does it for you?
Jesus wouldn't have wept, he'd have just shook his head in quiet disbelief.
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He nearly had me fooled with his bullshit. What a pity that the whole board have given up on staying in this division. I can just see them all in that boardroom, sucking Fox's Glacier Mints and sticking flipcharts on the wall. Total business bullshit speak.
and yet if they'd come out with "we believe that we have every chance of staying in the premier league and progressing" there'd have been loads of comments about them not knowing anything about the game and randy probably not knowing what relegation is, etc.
Maybe they would. They know nothing about the game whatever they say.
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Supports Man City doesn't he?
I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.
it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.
Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.
We now have four (or maybe five) directors. It's hardly a crowd.
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Supports Man City doesn't he?
I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.
it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.
Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.
We now have four (or maybe five) directors. It's hardly a crowd.
There appear to be several people sharing the job that Paul Faulkner did.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing
It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there. I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.
I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.
On the first point au contraire - I am of the firm belief that Saturdays shenanigans expedited the announcement and that is what I was referring to. I reckon he would have been looking at things for time immemorial if things hadn't come to a head - and this was further enhanced by poor Remi's second almost plea for a statement, two weeks after asking for one in the first place.
With regard to your second point, there is a big PR play to be had at the very least. We the fans have been watching absolute shit, dross, lack of ambition, lack of application on the football pitch for 5 years. All we wanted to hear was something about getting the team back to the upper echelons of British football you know that sort of ambitious type thinking that you want to hear as a football fan - granted we know all what he says in public has to go on in the background to run as a proper business. But at least try and give us something to get excited about in an opening statement?
As regards the 3rd point, if you seriously think he hasn't already stepped back in the last five years then I have no idea how to answer this point.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing
It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there. I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.
I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.
2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing
It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there. I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.
I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.
On the first point au contraire - I am of the firm belief that Saturdays shenanigans expedited the announcement and that is what I was referring to. I reckon he would have been looking at things for time immemorial if things hadn't come to a head - and this was further enhanced by poor Remi's second almost plea for a statement, two weeks after asking for one in the first place.
With regard to your second point, there is a big PR play to be had at the very least. We the fans have been watching absolute shit, dross, lack of ambition, lack of application on the football pitch for 5 years. All we wanted to hear was something about getting the team back to the upper echelons of British football you know that sort of ambitious type thinking that you want to hear as a football fan - granted we know all what he says in public has to go on in the background to run as a proper business. But at least try and give us something to get excited about in an opening statement?
As regards the 3rd point, if you seriously think he hasn't already stepped back in the last five years then I have no idea how to answer this point.
Agreed.
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Hollis sounds like a portmanteau of Houllier and Ellis. Gawd 'elp us!
I was going to say 'Welcome back Mark Ansell.' But, no, I want to give him a chance honestly I really do.
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Supports Man City doesn't he?
I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.
it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.
Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.
We now have four (or maybe five) directors. It's hardly a crowd.
There appear to be several people sharing the job that Paul Faulkner did.
Not really - Tom Fox directly replaced him and Steve Hollis will be a part-time chairman.
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How low have we sunk and such like.
Well, we have haven't we?
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Ah Dave that is confirmed now is it. I would imagine he will be pretty full time for a few months though, to drive change and all that.
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Ah Dave that is confirmed now is it. I would imagine he will be pretty full time for a few months though, to drive change and all that.
I don't know; I'm surmising from what others have said and the fact that Fox is a full-time CEO.
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Part time chairman?
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How low have we sunk and such like.
Well, we have haven't we?
Don't fall for that old chestnut.
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Supports Man City doesn't he?
I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.
it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.
Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.
We now have four (or maybe five) directors. It's hardly a crowd.
There appear to be several people sharing the job that Paul Faulkner did.
Not really - Tom Fox directly replaced him and Steve Hollis will be a part-time chairman.
I would have to consult the family tree to confirm that. Who did Wijeratna replace?
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Part time chairman?
It's standard business practice, even in football.
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I would have to consult the family tree to confirm that. Who did Wijeratna replace?
He's not a director.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing
It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there. I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.
I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.
On the first point au contraire - I am of the firm belief that Saturdays shenanigans expedited the announcement and that is what I was referring to. I reckon he would have been looking at things for time immemorial if things hadn't come to a head - and this was further enhanced by poor Remi's second almost plea for a statement, two weeks after asking for one in the first place.
With regard to your second point, there is a big PR play to be had at the very least. We the fans have been watching absolute shit, dross, lack of ambition, lack of application on the football pitch for 5 years. All we wanted to hear was something about getting the team back to the upper echelons of British football you know that sort of ambitious type thinking that you want to hear as a football fan - granted we know all what he says in public has to go on in the background to run as a proper business. But at least try and give us something to get excited about in an opening statement?
As regards the 3rd point, if you seriously think he hasn't already stepped back in the last five years then I have no idea how to answer this point.
I just don't see that we had fox already say at the trust meeting that there'd be news about the chairman soon, it's all opinions but I just don't think they'd have done it like this, especially when the FA cup stuff was largely addressed on the pitch on Tuesday anyway. I just think that coming into the club in that role you'd want a good run where nothing is said so you can get a feel for things with no pressure, 6 weeks seems reasonable for that. I do agree that the request from Remi for something to be said seems relevant but I'm sure he'd met Hollis and knew what the plans were all along so I'll judge that as more a way to get the fans off him and players for a few days.
I see what you're saying about the PR stuff but I just don't think you can do that when you're talking about a sport where everyone wants a statement about everything and then as soon as they get one says "don't tell me show me" I've always found the demands for a statement odd because it's invariably just that we're not playing well and fans are angry, but no amount of statements can resolve that anger as well as a few wins can so it's a completely pointless process. Can you imagine the reaction if he'd said "we know things are shit but I plan to be top 6 within 5 years", after the initial piss taking about not knowing anything about us that would be a statement that got referred back too for the rest of his time here and used a stick to beat him with whenever the opportunity arose. Look at the examples: "we know what we're doing", "false narrative", "proud history, bright future" all of these get rolled out regularly to take the piss, any message such as you describe would just be another on that list.
3rd point, crossed wires, that's exactly what I'm saying, he's clearly already stepped back but he did it without bringing in someone to fill the gap, after 5 years he's eventually rectified that, this is why I'm genuinely perplexed that so many people want to have a pop at the guy before he's even got his name on the door. If he can't find a buyer then this is the next best thing because it means we'll have some hands on management at the very top. I know very little about Hollis, I know the companies he's worked for and I know he has a good reputation (based on a bit of googling) but that's it so I have no idea if he can fix our problems but I do know that at least now there's a chance they'll get fixed.
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My reply to his e mail to me was worthy of Darren Woolley himself. Good luck. You are going to need it.
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I would have to consult the family tree to confirm that. Who did Wijeratna replace?
He's not a director.
I know that but whose work has he taken over?
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I would have to consult the family tree to confirm that. Who did Wijeratna replace?
He's not a director.
I know that but whose work has he taken over?
No one's before him we didn't have a chief commercial officer. Possibly a role that should have been filled 10 year ago, again.
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I would have to consult the family tree to confirm that. Who did Wijeratna replace?
He's not a director.
I know that but whose work has he taken over?
No one's before him we didn't have a chief commercial officer. Possibly a role that should have been filled 10 year ago, again.
Eric Woodward was Commercial Officer.
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Never heard of him, are you sure?
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Eric Woodward was appointed commercial manager in 1968, retired about ten years later and died, I believe, around 1998.
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I've heard of Eric Houghton.
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Once again our blinkered board ignore appointing someone with football knowledge to the board. Still they know best. Why do they continue to ignore advice and carry on in their own pig-headed way?
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Once again our blinkered board ignore appointing someone with football knowledge to the board. Still they know best. Why do they continue to ignore advice and carry on in their own pig-headed way?
I don't know much about these things but as we only appointed a chair of the board a day ago, won't it be him taking the decision on what football man, if any, is best suited to work with the rest of the board? That won't happen in a day.
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Once again our blinkered board ignore appointing someone with football knowledge to the board. Still they know best. Why do they continue to ignore advice and carry on in their own pig-headed way?
Is it necessary to have a football man on the board? Spurs' board is full of bankers and accountants (sorry Chicago Lion).
Their executive with responsibility for football operations has a degree in PE and became an accountant with the NHS. They don't seem to be missing out on not having Hodole or Villa on the board. They also have a detached owner too and a CEO with two jobs.
Spurs seem well run and do ok outside of the monied elite. They don't spend a great deal net in transfers either.
I like the idea of Sir Brian joining, just because he's ace. But does he have anything useful to add? I'd hope so, but I am not sure this clamour for a "football or Villa man" really means anything, as I am not too sure those shouting for it have a unified definition of what their role or contribution would be.
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Eric Woolban Woolban?
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I remember Eric Woodward. A devout Christian. Went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and was never heard of again.
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Eric Woodward was appointed commercial manager in 1968, retired about ten years later and died, I believe, around 1998.
the youngsters on here are so impatient at times....us old'uns have seen it all before and are all therefore a bit more inured to it...it's part of the Villa DNA i think just when you think good times are round the corner then reality bites.
My Dad had to wait nearly 60 years before he tasted real success, at least i only had to wait 30 years or so
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I remember Eric Woodward. A devout Christian. Went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and was never heard of again.
Flaming hell!
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I remember Eric Woodward. A devout Christian. Went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and was never heard of again.
We could do with him, there's been many times we've been unable to find The Equaliser.
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing
It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there. I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.
I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.
On the first point au contraire - I am of the firm belief that Saturdays shenanigans expedited the announcement and that is what I was referring to. I reckon he would have been looking at things for time immemorial if things hadn't come to a head - and this was further enhanced by poor Remi's second almost plea for a statement, two weeks after asking for one in the first place.
With regard to your second point, there is a big PR play to be had at the very least. We the fans have been watching absolute shit, dross, lack of ambition, lack of application on the football pitch for 5 years. All we wanted to hear was something about getting the team back to the upper echelons of British football you know that sort of ambitious type thinking that you want to hear as a football fan - granted we know all what he says in public has to go on in the background to run as a proper business. But at least try and give us something to get excited about in an opening statement?
As regards the 3rd point, if you seriously think he hasn't already stepped back in the last five years then I have no idea how to answer this point.
I just don't see that we had fox already say at the trust meeting that there'd be news about the chairman soon, it's all opinions but I just don't think they'd have done it like this, especially when the FA cup stuff was largely addressed on the pitch on Tuesday anyway. I just think that coming into the club in that role you'd want a good run where nothing is said so you can get a feel for things with no pressure, 6 weeks seems reasonable for that. I do agree that the request from Remi for something to be said seems relevant but I'm sure he'd met Hollis and knew what the plans were all along so I'll judge that as more a way to get the fans off him and players for a few days.
I see what you're saying about the PR stuff but I just don't think you can do that when you're talking about a sport where everyone wants a statement about everything and then as soon as they get one says "don't tell me show me" I've always found the demands for a statement odd because it's invariably just that we're not playing well and fans are angry, but no amount of statements can resolve that anger as well as a few wins can so it's a completely pointless process. Can you imagine the reaction if he'd said "we know things are shit but I plan to be top 6 within 5 years", after the initial piss taking about not knowing anything about us that would be a statement that got referred back too for the rest of his time here and used a stick to beat him with whenever the opportunity arose. Look at the examples: "we know what we're doing", "false narrative", "proud history, bright future" all of these get rolled out regularly to take the piss, any message such as you describe would just be another on that list.
3rd point, crossed wires, that's exactly what I'm saying, he's clearly already stepped back but he did it without bringing in someone to fill the gap, after 5 years he's eventually rectified that, this is why I'm genuinely perplexed that so many people want to have a pop at the guy before he's even got his name on the door. If he can't find a buyer then this is the next best thing because it means we'll have some hands on management at the very top. I know very little about Hollis, I know the companies he's worked for and I know he has a good reputation (based on a bit of googling) but that's it so I have no idea if he can fix our problems but I do know that at least now there's a chance they'll get fixed.
This is a very good post.
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I have just read the statement from the new chairman.
Basically it appears to me that a man who has vast experience in working within troubled companies was offered the chance to join Aston Villa, looked at it and turned it down because he didn't feel he was right for the job only to be persuaded by the man responsible for the problems (and with an atrocious record on staff recruitment) to convince him that he is the right man for the job!
Got to give him chance I suppose but not the greatest rallying cry is it?
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2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.
Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.
I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.
What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?
The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing
It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there. I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.
I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.
On the first point au contraire - I am of the firm belief that Saturdays shenanigans expedited the announcement and that is what I was referring to. I reckon he would have been looking at things for time immemorial if things hadn't come to a head - and this was further enhanced by poor Remi's second almost plea for a statement, two weeks after asking for one in the first place.
With regard to your second point, there is a big PR play to be had at the very least. We the fans have been watching absolute shit, dross, lack of ambition, lack of application on the football pitch for 5 years. All we wanted to hear was something about getting the team back to the upper echelons of British football you know that sort of ambitious type thinking that you want to hear as a football fan - granted we know all what he says in public has to go on in the background to run as a proper business. But at least try and give us something to get excited about in an opening statement?
As regards the 3rd point, if you seriously think he hasn't already stepped back in the last five years then I have no idea how to answer this point.
I just don't see that we had fox already say at the trust meeting that there'd be news about the chairman soon, it's all opinions but I just don't think they'd have done it like this, especially when the FA cup stuff was largely addressed on the pitch on Tuesday anyway. I just think that coming into the club in that role you'd want a good run where nothing is said so you can get a feel for things with no pressure, 6 weeks seems reasonable for that. I do agree that the request from Remi for something to be said seems relevant but I'm sure he'd met Hollis and knew what the plans were all along so I'll judge that as more a way to get the fans off him and players for a few days.
I see what you're saying about the PR stuff but I just don't think you can do that when you're talking about a sport where everyone wants a statement about everything and then as soon as they get one says "don't tell me show me" I've always found the demands for a statement odd because it's invariably just that we're not playing well and fans are angry, but no amount of statements can resolve that anger as well as a few wins can so it's a completely pointless process. Can you imagine the reaction if he'd said "we know things are shit but I plan to be top 6 within 5 years", after the initial piss taking about not knowing anything about us that would be a statement that got referred back too for the rest of his time here and used a stick to beat him with whenever the opportunity arose. Look at the examples: "we know what we're doing", "false narrative", "proud history, bright future" all of these get rolled out regularly to take the piss, any message such as you describe would just be another on that list.
3rd point, crossed wires, that's exactly what I'm saying, he's clearly already stepped back but he did it without bringing in someone to fill the gap, after 5 years he's eventually rectified that, this is why I'm genuinely perplexed that so many people want to have a pop at the guy before he's even got his name on the door. If he can't find a buyer then this is the next best thing because it means we'll have some hands on management at the very top. I know very little about Hollis, I know the companies he's worked for and I know he has a good reputation (based on a bit of googling) but that's it so I have no idea if he can fix our problems but I do know that at least now there's a chance they'll get fixed.
This is a very good post.
It's a contender for longest unintended quotathon.
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His management experience is at a UNI. Does he know much about football? Well he's a Man City fan so I guess the answer is?....
I can't get overally excited about this. Will need new investment really, but since I don't know much about him will reserve comment.
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I have just read the statement from the new chairman.
Basically it appears to me that a man who has vast experience in working within troubled companies was offered the chance to join Aston Villa, looked at it and turned it down because he didn't feel he was right for the job only to be persuaded by the man responsible for the problems (and with an atrocious record on staff recruitment) to convince him that he is the right man for the job!
Got to give him chance I suppose but not the greatest rallying cry is it?
I've just read the e-mail statement (how did he know my name!?!) and it basically says "your heritage will butter no parsnips and we need to change" - while true it is a bit bleeding obvious
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.
You don't get excited when the Villa win, but corporate governance does it for you?
Jesus wouldn't have wept, he'd have just shook his head in quiet disbelief.
If you want to pin your hopes on a Lerner appointed bean counter to give this club salvation, that is up to you.
I guess you will be calling me a Bluenose next.
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Once again our blinkered board ignore appointing someone with football knowledge to the board. Still they know best. Why do they continue to ignore advice and carry on in their own pig-headed way?
Is it necessary to have a football man on the board? Spurs' board is full of bankers and accountants (sorry Chicago Lion).
Their executive with responsibility for football operations has a degree in PE and became an accountant with the NHS. They don't seem to be missing out on not having Hodole or Villa on the board. They also have a detached owner too and a CEO with two jobs.
Spurs seem well run and do ok outside of the monied elite. They don't spend a great deal net in transfers either.
I like the idea of Sir Brian joining, just because he's ace. But does he have anything useful to add? I'd hope so, but I am not sure this clamour for a "football or Villa man" really means anything, as I am not too sure those shouting for it have a unified definition of what their role or contribution would be.
Erm....not really sure that these businessmen decision makers at Villa have done very well for the last 5 years - don't you think?
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No, they've been poor. Lerner has had a big impact on that with the way he changes mood so randomly; see Houllier to McLiesh for that.
The point is that you don't need to be steeped in football to run a club. The board at Spurs is full of "bean counters" and bankers, yet they've turned a bang average club into a top six one of late. Their lack of football expertise, or at least the perception of it within football administration, hasn't hampered them.
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I remember Eric Woodward. A devout Christian. Went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and was never heard of again.
If I were on a remote Scottish Island where the young Britt Ekland lived you probably wouldn't hear of me again either.
Eric Woodward was a top class commercial director and played a great role in our rise from the 3rd division.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.
You don't get excited when the Villa win, but corporate governance does it for you?
Jesus wouldn't have wept, he'd have just shook his head in quiet disbelief.
If you want to pin your hopes on a Lerner appointed bean counter to give this club salvation, that is up to you.
I guess you will be calling me a Bluenose next.
No but you do seem to be able to find the negative in absolutely anything. You even seemed annoyed that people were happy to finally win a game the other night.
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I remember Eric Woodward. A devout Christian. Went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and was never heard of again.
If I were on a remote Scottish Island where the young Britt Ekland lived you probably wouldn't hear of me again either.
Eric Woodward was a top class commercial director and played a great role in our rise from the 3rd division.
I smiled :)
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Sat back and tryed to review my thoughts on this, believe time will tell and something had to be done, wish him all the best because it is not an easy task to take on.
The statement that really pissed me off was the fact the the club has not been run properly for the last 5 years, well Randy why have you not done something about it before we face the abyss, it really is appalling what this guy has managed to do to AVFC over a sustained period.
The other point of people wanting a Football Man on the board and craving for Brian Little, if Brian has any sense he will stay well away from this position, because I honestly believe that anything he said, suggested would not be implemented and he would just get his reputation tarnished, whether this guy who has the honour of being Aston Villas chairman is just another "Yes" man for Lerner time will tell.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.
You don't get excited when the Villa win, but corporate governance does it for you?
Jesus wouldn't have wept, he'd have just shook his head in quiet disbelief.
If you want to pin your hopes on a Lerner appointed bean counter to give this club salvation, that is up to you.
I guess you will be calling me a Bluenose next.
Accountancy is about more than counting beans, many CEO's/Chairmen are qualified accountants who move into management roles that are non-finance related. He's a lot more qualified for this role than Fox is for his.
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Lerner has never appointed anyone with a football background at board level. Just businessmen who've presided over this mess. Even an advisory role should have happened.
Also, has Lerner apologised to the fans for the last 5 years under his control?
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.
You don't get excited when the Villa win, but corporate governance does it for you?
Jesus wouldn't have wept, he'd have just shook his head in quiet disbelief.
If you want to pin your hopes on a Lerner appointed bean counter to give this club salvation, that is up to you.
I guess you will be calling me a Bluenose next.
No but you do seem to be able to find the negative in absolutely anything. You even seemed annoyed that people were happy to finally win a game the other night.
not true
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No, they've been poor. Lerner has had a big impact on that with the way he changes mood so randomly; see Houllier to McLiesh for that.
The point is that you don't need to be steeped in football to run a club. The board at Spurs is full of "bean counters" and bankers, yet they've turned a bang average club into a top six one of late. Their lack of football expertise, or at least the perception of it within football administration, hasn't hampered them.
I just wonder if he will have the power to get rid of Lerner appointed personnel if he sees fit.
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His management experience is at a UNI. Does he know much about football? Well he's a Man City fan so I guess the answer is?....
I can't get overally excited about this. Will need new investment really, but since I don't know much about him will reserve comment.
No it isn't. He's been at KMPG for ever and a day.
Birmingham Post link from top of thread. (http://www.birminghampost.co.uk/business/finance/business-profile-steve-hollis-regional-3912497)
He sounds almost disappointingly reasonable with his head nowhere near being shoved up his own arse.
We'll see over the next few months with what changes he does or doesn't make.
Nothing he can do right now will affect how this season ends.
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I hope I am wrong but Lerner has made one crap decision after another with his running of our football club, what evidence is there to believe that this one is a good one (other than time, I suppose). The talk of battling from within and we don't fear relegation makes me feel he's a man to make further cuts rather than try to get the most important thing about the football club in the right shape, that being the actual football team on the pitch. The fans deserve some respect, so buy us some players and try to make us proud again.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.
Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?
I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.
You don't get excited when the Villa win, but corporate governance does it for you?
Jesus wouldn't have wept, he'd have just shook his head in quiet disbelief.
If you want to pin your hopes on a Lerner appointed bean counter to give this club salvation, that is up to you.
I guess you will be calling me a Bluenose next.
No but you do seem to be able to find the negative in absolutely anything. You even seemed annoyed that people were happy to finally win a game the other night.
not true
See, you're at it again :)
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I do think that since Lerner took us over we've bought a lot more players than we should have. You could make quite a list of players that may as well not have been signed. O'Neil bought many players in that were hardly used. Then we had Lambert's young and hungry lot. There's a lot of players that we didn't make much money on when they departed. I know all managers make bad signings but but the percentage seems to have been a higher under Lerner.
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I hope I am wrong but Lerner has made one crap decision after another with his running of our football club, what evidence is there to believe that this one is a good one (other than time, I suppose). The talk of battling from within and we don't fear relegation makes me feel he's a man to make further cuts rather than try to get the most important thing about the football club in the right shape, that being the actual football team on the pitch. The fans deserve some respect, so buy us some players and try to make us proud again.
I understand the scepticism, but I think there he's talking about if we do drop, we make the best of the shit sandwich and back ourselves to come straight back up.
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My take on the 'not fearing relegation' comment is that he meant, if it happens, we will not curl up, feel sorry for ourselves and do nothing.
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when you consider his business background and what he has specialized in, I'm sure curling up and dying is the very last thing he would ever advocate. I have no doubt that meant we would come back leaner and stronger than before, and that adversity is merely an opportunity to show how strong we are at the core. If we go down the goal will be to regroup, and come back up immediately.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
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'Hollis confirms that the board will now make the final decisions rather than Randy Lerner'.
That's all very well, but do we yet have the football knowledge required on the board amongst Hollis, Fox, Robin Russell and Krulak?
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Are you ever going to say anything about anyone you don't like apart from calling them thick or an idiot - which Steve Hollis clearly isn't? Such constant repetition doesn't exactly say much for your own intelligence.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Are you ever going to say anything about anyone you don't like apart from calling them thick or an idiot - which Steve Hollis clearly isn't? Such constant repetition doesn't exactly say much for your own intelligence.
I'm not sure David, I'll give that some thought though, thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways. And I quite agree, it doesn't say much for my own intelligence does it? I envy those people on here like you who never repeat the same points over and over again about the club. It's one thing no one could ever criticise you for, that's for sure!
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There is a guy who lives behind my sister over Dorridge way who you always see out on his sit down mower, constantly mowing his land. Up and down, up and down, every time I'm there.
Just realised that its our chairman.
He's got a massive garden for such somebody who is apparently such an idiot. Tennis court and the whatnot.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Are you ever going to say anything about anyone you don't like apart from calling them thick or an idiot - which Steve Hollis clearly isn't? Such constant repetition doesn't exactly say much for your own intelligence.
I'm not sure David, I'll give that some thought though, thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways. And I quite agree, it doesn't say much for my own intelligence does it? I envy those people on here like you who never repeat the same points over and over again about the club. It's one thing no one could ever criticise you for, that's for sure!
Here's the deal. Go away, have a think, then come back when you're capable of actually adding to a debate rather than coming out with the thick/idiot comments or your infantile "Yes, you're right" every time you're asked to moderate this incredibly monotonous behaviour.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
I don't want him to sell us right now. The chances of getting a haridresser from Hong Kong are too high right now, I'd much rather we carry on down this new path and push to get ourselves to mid-table in the premier league (via the championship if need be) and then he sells to someone looking to nudge us into the top 6.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Yes it's completely idiotic to start a new job and not instantly start slagging off your new employer or to start the job and actually believe what your employer has told you. It's also a sure sign of an idiot to have had numerous senior management jobs over a number of years at a company the size of KPMG.
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I remember Eric Woodward. A devout Christian. Went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and was never heard of again.
Flaming hell!
Went on a scouting mission for a promising but wayward youngster called Morrison. Think they ended up at Lazio.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Are you ever going to say anything about anyone you don't like apart from calling them thick or an idiot - which Steve Hollis clearly isn't? Such constant repetition doesn't exactly say much for your own intelligence.
I'm not sure David, I'll give that some thought though, thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways. And I quite agree, it doesn't say much for my own intelligence does it? I envy those people on here like you who never repeat the same points over and over again about the club. It's one thing no one could ever criticise you for, that's for sure!
Here's the deal. Go away, have a think, then come back when you're capable of actually adding to a debate rather than coming out with the thick/idiot comments or your infantile "Yes, you're right" every time you're asked to moderate this incredibly monotonous behaviour.
I'll do that David, thank you for your advice as ever.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
I don't want him to sell us right now. The chances of getting a haridresser from Hong Kong are too high right now, I'd much rather we carry on down this new path and push to get ourselves to mid-table in the premier league (via the championship if need be) and then he sells to someone looking to nudge us into the top 6.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Yes it's completely idiotic to start a new job and not instantly start slagging off your new employer or to start the job and actually believe what your employer has told you. It's also a sure sign of an idiot to have had numerous senior management jobs over a number of years at a company the size of KPMG.
You'd be surprised. As a senior manager of a company myself, I have a lot of dealings with KPMG. They have some great people, really excellent, but some who most certainly are not. Much like any A listed company I work with when doing consultancy.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Are you ever going to say anything about anyone you don't like apart from calling them thick or an idiot - which Steve Hollis clearly isn't? Such constant repetition doesn't exactly say much for your own intelligence.
I'm not sure David, I'll give that some thought though, thank you for pointing out the errors of my ways. And I quite agree, it doesn't say much for my own intelligence does it? I envy those people on here like you who never repeat the same points over and over again about the club. It's one thing no one could ever criticise you for, that's for sure!
Here's the deal. Go away, have a think, then come back when you're capable of actually adding to a debate rather than coming out with the thick/idiot comments or your infantile "Yes, you're right" every time you're asked to moderate this incredibly monotonous behaviour.
I'll do that David, thank you for your advice as ever.
You clearly can't help yourself. Don't say you weren't warned on many occasions.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
Or he can't find anyone that doesn't look like Cellino or Yeung at a reduced price.
Or have you registered with BoA and got the particulars of what he's looking for?
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
I don't want him to sell us right now. The chances of getting a haridresser from Hong Kong are too high right now, I'd much rather we carry on down this new path and push to get ourselves to mid-table in the premier league (via the championship if need be) and then he sells to someone looking to nudge us into the top 6.
He's clearly as much of an idiot as the man who pays him. And that's quite an achievement given that Lerner makes Prince Andrew look like Einstein
Yes it's completely idiotic to start a new job and not instantly start slagging off your new employer or to start the job and actually believe what your employer has told you. It's also a sure sign of an idiot to have had numerous senior management jobs over a number of years at a company the size of KPMG.
You'd be surprised. As a senior manager of a company myself, I have a lot of dealings with KPMG. They have some great people, really excellent, but some who most certainly are not. Much like any A listed company I work with when doing consultancy.
No I wouldn't, what I would be surprised about is the path his career has taken being that of an idiot. I fully understand that you can get stupid people in jobs they're incapable of doing, I also fully understand that those people tend to get found out sooner or later. There's plenty of evidence that he's not an idiot and virtually nothing to suggest that he is one but he's nowe senior management at Villa so it fits your viewpoint that he must be one and nothing will get in the way of you saying so, you're fre to hold that opinion but the rest of us are also free to think you're talking nonsense.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
Or he can't find anyone that doesn't look like Cellino or Yeung at a reduced price.
Or have you registered with BoA and got the particulars of what he's looking for?
Maybe S_H can help us find this mythical benevolent, hitherto unknown, buyer at slightly reduced price (say £125m) with bottomless pockets of cash reserves, who is able to bypass the Financial Fair Play by paying £100,000 (PPW - Proper Premiership Wages) to 25 squad members until further notice, none of who will turn out to be as average / useless as Gabby/CNZ/Stephen Ireland/Habib Beye/Emile Heskey/Shay Given and will perform to an very good or exceptional level most of the time.
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He's a Lerner appointee, so instantly there is a lack of credibility based on the previous batch of odds and sods over the past few years.
That might sound grossly unfair, but there it is.
There has been a feeling since at least 2011 (and possibly before that) that the mindset has changed from forward thinking and looking to succeed to what we have we hold (at best) or a managed decline (at worst).
None of the recent appointments have excelled elsewhere at the very thing we need them to do.
They might in time bridge the gap, and kudos to them if they do. But the odds are against it.
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He's a Lerner appointee, so instantly there is a lack of credibility based on the previous batch of odds and sods over the past few years.
That might sound grossly unfair, but there it is.
There has been a feeling since at least 2011 (and possibly before that) that the mindset has changed from forward thinking and looking to succeed to what we have we hold (at best) or a managed decline (at worst).
None of the recent appointments have excelled elsewhere at the very thing we need them to do.
They might in time bridge the gap, and kudos to them if they do. But the odds are against it.
Cracked record time:
This is where we need someone in authority who is undoubtedly One Of Us, someone who can speak and your first instinct is to believe him rather than pour scorn.
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He's a Lerner appointee, so instantly there is a lack of credibility based on the previous batch of odds and sods over the past few years.
That might sound grossly unfair, but there it is.
There has been a feeling since at least 2011 (and possibly before that) that the mindset has changed from forward thinking and looking to succeed to what we have we hold (at best) or a managed decline (at worst).
None of the recent appointments have excelled elsewhere at the very thing we need them to do.
They might in time bridge the gap, and kudos to them if they do. But the odds are against it.
Key Decisions made since 2011 have been largely woeful.
That still doesn't make the new chairman an idiot.
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So if this guy brings in Mervyn King, a Villa fan but with a credible enough business background, onto the board, is that going to be labelled as an idiot decision because he is essentially a Lerner stooge too?
Surely we need to give Hollis and the new structure time. Fox might be much better now he has some kind of direction above, you never know. I will wait until he has actually had time to perform to be critical, rather than starting now.
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I have never had much truck with the One of Us argument.
That assumes that we have to limit every important position to someone with a connection to the club, immediately ruling out 99.9 of candidates who might be more than capable of doing the job.
The issue here -and I recognise it is unfair on the new guy- is that he will immediately be treated with suspicion in some quarters because of his association with Lerner.
A new chairman coming in under a new owner would get far more breathing space, and no doubt his KPMG credentials would be talked up (deja vu Bob Kain).
So how do you solve that conundrum? Outside of new ownership, I'm not sure you can.
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So if this guy brings in Mervyn King, a Villa fan but with a credible enough business background, onto the board, is that going to be labelled as an idiot decision because he is essentially a Lerner stooge too?
Surely we need to give Hollis and the new structure time. Fox might be much better now he has some kind of direction above, you never know. I will wait until he has actually had time to perform to be critical, rather than starting now.
We need to give Hollis time.
I don't want Mervyn King anywhere near the Villa board after his BoE stewardship. Thanks.
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I have never had much truck with the One of Us argument.
That assumes that we have to limit every important position to someone with a connection to the club, immediately ruling out 99.9 of candidates who might be more than capable of doing the job.
The issue here -and I recognise it is unfair on the new guy- is that he will immediately be treated with suspicion in some quarters because of his association with Lerner.
A new chairman coming in under a new owner would get far more breathing space, and no doubt his KPMG credentials would be talked up (deja vu Bob Kain).
So how do you solve that conundrum? Outside of new ownership, I'm not sure you can.
Or take a step back and see how he does over the next 12-18 months before forming a considered opinion. O
bviously if he sacks Garde and replaces him with a reappointed Lambert or McLeish next month then we can hasten up the review timeline.
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I have never had much truck with the One of Us argument.
That assumes that we have to limit every important position to someone with a connection to the club, immediately ruling out 99.9 of candidates who might be more than capable of doing the job.
The issue here -and I recognise it is unfair on the new guy- is that he will immediately be treated with suspicion in some quarters because of his association with Lerner.
A new chairman coming in under a new owner would get far more breathing space, and no doubt his KPMG credentials would be talked up (deja vu Bob Kain).
So how do you solve that conundrum? Outside of new ownership, I'm not sure you can.
As one of my plant operators said to me on my first day as his supervisor
"Goodwill and trust are hard earned, but they're easily thrown away. If you do lose them, you'll be gone a long time trying to find them again."
They had masses of goodwill, but I'm not sure they ever really had trust as they never had to make a decision for 4 years. They have spent 5 years now throwing any remaining goodwill away.
The only thing that will re-establish goodwill and earn trust is going to be a long period of hard work, where it's obvious that the vast majority of decisions are the right ones, or at least not "Let's hire McLeish" wrong.
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I have never had much truck with the One of Us argument.
That assumes that we have to limit every important position to someone with a connection to the club, immediately ruling out 99.9 of candidates who might be more than capable of doing the job.
The issue here -and I recognise it is unfair on the new guy- is that he will immediately be treated with suspicion in some quarters because of his association with Lerner.
A new chairman coming in under a new owner would get far more breathing space, and no doubt his KPMG credentials would be talked up (deja vu Bob Kain).
So how do you solve that conundrum? Outside of new ownership, I'm not sure you can.
I'm not saying that everyone needs to be OoU - in fact that sort of attitude held us back in the Ellis days. What I do think is that Villa need someone whose integrity and football knowledge are beyond question and who we know will have a first loyalty to Aston Villa rather than anyone else.
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So you say. Not one credible name really has ever been put forward though, has it?
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So you say. Not one credible name really has ever been put forward though, has it?
I can think of plenty.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
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Does anyone know what this 'inflated price' is?
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Does anyone know what this 'inflated price' is?
Glamour model who also answers to the name Jordan.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
I suppose it depends - and I haven't paid all that much attention - as to whether it includes some of the converted 'debt'
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http://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloitte/uk/Documents/sports-business-group/uk-deloitte-sport-football-money-league-2016.pdf
Randys Holy Grail - The Deloitte Top 20
Villa in 23rd position, with reported revenues of €148.8
I thought this point was intersting
"The ratio of the three principal revenue streams remains broadly consistent with the prior year, with clubs generating 19% of their revenue from matchday sources, 40% from broadcast and 41% from commercial. With further increases expected in broadcast and commercial revenue in coming years, we would expect the revenue a club generates from matchday to fall in significance even further than its current record low. It was only ten years ago that clubs generated around a third of their revenue from matchday."
It is no wonder why we have commercial directors, and accountants making all the decisions. Still failed to break the top 20 though.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.
In the PL.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.
In the PL.
He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
The club is certainly not worth that,it's hardly a cash cow.
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He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.
Please stop, I beg of you.
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He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.
Please stop, I beg of you.
Sorry, I am guilty of that I know.
I used to like how Doug pronounced it.
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#BPL
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So you say. Not one credible name really has ever been put forward though, has it?
I can think of plenty.
Such as?
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
I like what he says in that interview, it seems quite upfront and honest to me. He's admitted the club has made mistakes and that they're hoping to avoid relegation, but planning in the event that we don't.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
I like what he says in that interview, it seems quite upfront and honest to me. He's admitted the club has made mistakes and that they're hoping to avoid relegation, but planning in the event that we don't.
One thing he isn't in charge though is the transfer and wage budget which will be sadly still dictated by Lerner.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.
In the PL.
He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.
Exactly and why it is worth so much less now.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
I like what he says in that interview, it seems quite upfront and honest to me. He's admitted the club has made mistakes and that they're hoping to avoid relegation, but planning in the event that we don't.
One thing he isn't in charge though is the transfer and wage budget which will be sadly still dictated by Lerner.
Will it? If the plan is to run the club on self-sufficient basis, spending the money that it makes, why wouldn't Lerner leave that in the hands of the person he has left in charge?
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So you say. Not one credible name really has ever been put forward though, has it?
I can think of plenty.
Such as?
Graham Taylor, Brian Little, Steve Stride, Des Bremner for a start.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
I like what he says in that interview, it seems quite upfront and honest to me. He's admitted the club has made mistakes and that they're hoping to avoid relegation, but planning in the event that we don't.
One thing he isn't in charge though is the transfer and wage budget which will be sadly still dictated by Lerner.
Will it? If the plan is to run the club on self-sufficient basis, spending the money that it makes, why wouldn't Lerner leave that in the hands of the person he has left in charge?
The whole point of appointing a chairman is to remove him (Lerner) from anything to do with the club.
If an opportunity presents itself that can't be financed by our own earnings, Hollis can ask him for funds as lender of first resort or fresh injection of shareholder capital, if he deems it the right thing for the club.
If Lerner declines, Hollis should be empowered to raise finance as he sees fit if it's in the best interests of the club.
The thing is it won't be based on Lerner's decision making abilities, he'll be advised as to what the best course of action is.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
I like what he says in that interview, it seems quite upfront and honest to me. He's admitted the club has made mistakes and that they're hoping to avoid relegation, but planning in the event that we don't.
One thing he isn't in charge though is the transfer and wage budget which will be sadly still dictated by Lerner.
Will it? If the plan is to run the club on self-sufficient basis, spending the money that it makes, why wouldn't Lerner leave that in the hands of the person he has left in charge?
The whole point of appointing a chairman is to remove him (Lerner) from anything to do with the club.
If an opportunity presents itself that can't be financed by our own earnings, Hollis can ask him for funds as lender of first resort or fresh injection of shareholder capital, if he deems it the right thing for the club.
If Lerner declines, Hollis should be empowered to raise finance as he sees fit if it's in the best interests of the club.
Unlikely he would have this much authority.
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Even though he has suggested that's how the structure will be at the club. That as Chairman he will have full decision making authority.
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Even though he has suggested that's how the structure will be at the club. That as Chairman he will have full decision making authority.
Full decision making authority over running the club and as Chairman but raising money, granting security, selling the ground, agreeing naming rights, changing the name of the club, selling the club. I don't think so.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.
In the PL.
He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.
Exactly and why it is worth so much less now.
What is it worth now? Any idea?
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I remember Eric Woodward. A devout Christian. Went on holiday to a remote Scottish island and was never heard of again.
Flaming hell!
Went on a scouting mission for a promising but wayward youngster called Morrison. Think they ended up at Lazio.
We were looking to bid for the actual wicker man, to compete with Gestede, but that deal looks like it's gone up in smoke.
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Even though he has suggested that's how the structure will be at the club. That as Chairman he will have full decision making authority.
Full decision making authority over running the club and as Chairman but raising money, granting security, selling the ground, agreeing naming rights, changing the name of the club, selling the club. I don't think so.
Where did selling the ground, naming rights, changing the name of the club come from? Has that been suggested by anyone as part of what Hollis is able to do? What's being suggested is that within his parameters as Chairman there's things he can engage to run the club profitably and efficiently as a business. I'm quite sure if a bid came in for the club, he'd know about it, but it's Randy's decision to make. I'm not sure how you made the leap between what is reasonably the Chairman's scope of responsibility to what would obviously involve the owner.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
Thats nice and everything Steve. But where are the new signings? Thats the only thing that matters right now. We can talk about philosophy and structure whenever but right now we have a crisis that we need to try and solve.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
Thats nice and everything Steve. But where are the new signings? Thats the only thing that matters right now.
Probably still biding their time to see if they have any offers more attractive than joining the side at the bottom of the league.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
Thats nice and everything Steve. But where are the new signings? Thats the only thing that matters right now.
Probably still biding their time to see if they have any offers more attractive than joining the side at the bottom of the league.
Possibly, but other clubs who were bottom have made signings early in the window in the past. Also the signings should have been all ready to join first week in January. It is now the 21st without a sniff. To me it smacks off surrender. Which upsets me when our players do it on the pitch and upsets me when our board does it off the pitch.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
Thats nice and everything Steve. But where are the new signings? Thats the only thing that matters right now.
Probably still biding their time to see if they have any offers more attractive than joining the side at the bottom of the league.
Possibly, but other clubs who were bottom have made signings early in the window in the past. Also the signings should have been all ready to join first week in January. It is now the 21st without a sniff. To me it smacks off surrender. Which upsets me when our players do it on the pitch and upsets me when our board does it off the pitch.
You can't have players ready to join on the 1st January if they're not willing to come.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
Thats nice and everything Steve. But where are the new signings? Thats the only thing that matters right now.
Probably still biding their time to see if they have any offers more attractive than joining the side at the bottom of the league.
Possibly, but other clubs who were bottom have made signings early in the window in the past. Also the signings should have been all ready to join first week in January. It is now the 21st without a sniff. To me it smacks off surrender. Which upsets me when our players do it on the pitch and upsets me when our board does it off the pitch.
You can't have players ready to join on the 1st January if they're not willing to come.
Correct. You also can't have them ready to join if you haven't tried to sign any.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
Thats nice and everything Steve. But where are the new signings? Thats the only thing that matters right now.
Probably still biding their time to see if they have any offers more attractive than joining the side at the bottom of the league.
Possibly, but other clubs who were bottom have made signings early in the window in the past. Also the signings should have been all ready to join first week in January. It is now the 21st without a sniff. To me it smacks off surrender. Which upsets me when our players do it on the pitch and upsets me when our board does it off the pitch.
You can't have players ready to join on the 1st January if they're not willing to come.
Correct. You also can't have them ready to join if you haven't tried to sign any.
Do you have any proof that we haven't approached any clubs for players? Because we have.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/new-aston-villa-chairman-steve-10761761
Thats nice and everything Steve. But where are the new signings? Thats the only thing that matters right now.
Probably still biding their time to see if they have any offers more attractive than joining the side at the bottom of the league.
Possibly, but other clubs who were bottom have made signings early in the window in the past. Also the signings should have been all ready to join first week in January. It is now the 21st without a sniff. To me it smacks off surrender. Which upsets me when our players do it on the pitch and upsets me when our board does it off the pitch.
You can't have players ready to join on the 1st January if they're not willing to come.
Correct. You also can't have them ready to join if you haven't tried to sign any.
Do you have any proof that we haven't approached any clubs for players? Because we have.
Please educate me. Seriously I am not being snide. I have not heard a sniff that we have been seriously looking to try and spend our way out of relegation this window.
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Do you have any proof that we haven't approached any clubs for players? Because we have.
Have we? Prove it then. Who have we tried to sign?
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Just because you haven't heard a sniff doesn't mean we haven't approached clubs. No-one knew Charlie Austin was going to Southampton until it happened. Gestede wasn't even linked until the day it broke either.
Debuchy has already said he's spoken to Garde. That's the only concrete one but like I said, it doesn't mean we haven't tried.
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Do you have any proof that we haven't approached any clubs for players? Because we have.
Have we? Prove it then. Who have we tried to sign?
Debuchy. He's biding his time to see if there's a better off. This is another shit window for us, no doubt about it, but it's just us reaping what we've sown all season, the turn around has come too late and no one want's a piece of this sideshow and relegation.
The summer is when the business should have been done, not going over old ground again, we all know we fucked up.
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Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him. Also, the fact we've not heard anything doesn't mean we've tried.
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Chris, I don't think Remi has phoned Debuchy just with the intention of asking him if he fancies a game.
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Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him. Also, the fact we've not heard anything doesn't mean we've tried.
Considering we have to approach the club concerned before talking to a player suggests that it wasn't quite how you suggested it.
Also, the fact that we haven't heard anything doesn't mean we haven't tried either.
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My point being it works both ways.
And as for approaching a club first, we all know that always happens all the time, don't we?
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Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him.
'It's true, they (Villa) are among the teams seeking me,' Debuchy told L'Equipe
Why do you think he would say such a thing if we hadn't tried?
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My point being it works both ways.
And as for approaching a club first, we all know that always happens all the time, don't we?
So we haven't approached Arsenal, Garde just rang up Debuchy one night after tea. I'm not sure about that you know.
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Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him.
'It's true, they (Villa) are among the teams seeking me,' Debuchy told L'Equipe
Why do you think he would say such a thing if we hadn't tried?
I wasn't aware that he had said that. But even that doesn't imply we've made any firm attempt to sign him.
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Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him.
'It's true, they (Villa) are among the teams seeking me,' Debuchy told L'Equipe
Why do you think he would say such a thing if we hadn't tried?
I wasn't aware that he had said that. But even that doesn't imply we've made any firm attempt to sign him.
So just because he's not here, it means we haven't tried to sign him? Ok, clear as mud.
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Thanks for the responses. It doesn't change my mind (I am sadly out of trust for this board and Randy) but I do appreciate those fellow fans who give them the benefit of the doubt this window. I just don't, they need to show me now.
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Thanks for the responses. It doesn't change my mind (I am sadly out of trust for this board and Randy) but I do appreciate those fellow fans who give them the benefit of the doubt this window. I just don't, they need to show me now.
I understand the frustrations to be honest. I thought we might have had one or two in by now but at the same time i'm not surprised we're finding it a bit tough to get people in. Whoever comes in needs to make a difference otherwise there's no point.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.
In the PL.
He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.
Exactly and why it is worth so much less now.
What is it worth now? Any idea?
Based on a multiple of EBITDA, not much. But this is football, God knows how it's valued.
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Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him.
'It's true, they (Villa) are among the teams seeking me,' Debuchy told L'Equipe
Why do you think he would say such a thing if we hadn't tried?
I wasn't aware that he had said that. But even that doesn't imply we've made any firm attempt to sign him.
Here's another three for you, including a player's chairman confirming the offer and a player confirming an offer.
Lamine Sane
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-talks-land-7174523
"Bordeaux's chairman Jean-Louis Triaud has confirmed the Ligue One club are in talks with the rock-bottom Villans about a deal for Sane."
Lovre Kalinic
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-closing-croatian-goalkeeper-10759809
Daniel Congre
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/13/daniel-congre-admits-aston-villa-contact-makes-decision-about-hi/
While it's annoying that we haven't got anyone in yet, to suggest that we're not trying is quite obviously untrue.
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So just because he's not here, it means we haven't tried to sign him? Ok, clear as mud.
That's not what I said, and you know it.
The fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we've tried to sign anyone.
Equally, the fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we haven't tried to sign anyone.
I sincerely hope we have been active in making firm bids to bring people in but I'm still waiting for the proof. That'll no doubt arrive or not by the transfer window.
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Thanks for the responses. It doesn't change my mind (I am sadly out of trust for this board and Randy) but I do appreciate those fellow fans who give them the benefit of the doubt this window. I just don't, they need to show me now.
I understand the frustrations to be honest. I thought we might have had one or two in by now but at the same time i'm not surprised we're finding it a bit tough to get people in. Whoever comes in needs to make a difference otherwise there's no point.
Aye.
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Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him.
'It's true, they (Villa) are among the teams seeking me,' Debuchy told L'Equipe
Why do you think he would say such a thing if we hadn't tried?
I wasn't aware that he had said that. But even that doesn't imply we've made any firm attempt to sign him.
You're right, when a player comes out and says "team x want to sign me", the logical conclusion is to assume that team x hasn't tried to sign him.
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Okay Sheffield, that looks a bit less vague than the evidence I was being offered before.
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So just because he's not here, it means we haven't tried to sign him? Ok, clear as mud.
That's not what I said, and you know it.
The fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we've tried to sign anyone.
Equally, the fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we haven't tried to sign anyone.
That's it exactly. We don't know anything other than links. For all we know, players may have turned us down. At the same time, we may not have tried at all but it does seem that we have with Debuchy. If no-one comes in at all, it won't automatically mean we haven't tried.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
This makes utterly depressing reading.
The austerity drive looks like continuing with no let up.
We appear to be lurching from 1 crisis to the next, and there is obvioulsy no comprehension that BETTER players cost decent money.
I fear the club really has accepted relegation, and think that will 'reset' us financially.
It's all just so fucking depressing.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
This makes utterly depressing reading.
The austerity drive looks like continuing with no let up.
We appear to be lurching from 1 crisis to the next, and there is obvioulsy no comprehension that BETTER players cost decent money.
I fear the club really has accepted relegation, and think that will 'reset' us financially.
It's all just so fucking depressing.
where did the 60 million come from?
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Indeed, and it reads like we spent £60m with nothing coming back in.
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So just because he's not here, it means we haven't tried to sign him? Ok, clear as mud.
That's not what I said, and you know it.
The fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we've tried to sign anyone.
Equally, the fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we haven't tried to sign anyone.
That's it exactly. We don't know anything other than links. For all we know, players may have turned us down. At the same time, we may not have tried at all but it does seem that we have with Debuchy. If no-one comes in at all, it won't automatically mean we haven't tried.
I get the feeling it's the way we ask.We have been far too nice a club for too long.
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it was under ten in real terms wasnt it?
hardly inspiring reading though
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
This makes utterly depressing reading.
The austerity drive looks like continuing with no let up.
We appear to be lurching from 1 crisis to the next, and there is obvioulsy no comprehension that BETTER players cost decent money.
I fear the club really has accepted relegation, and think that will 'reset' us financially.
It's all just so fucking depressing.
I actually agree with the Chairman. We need to fix everything from within and sort ourselves out. We have spent money but not wisely for years. Wrong players, wrong contract extensions at the wrong time and so on.
It does not rule out future spending and It suggests Remi can rebuild. I actaully would take more positives from that article than negatives.
Finally it seems to me they have people involved who can see we're in a mess and quick fixes do not work and they will work at putting it all right.
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Any chance that our new chairman can be a little bit more forthcoming with his comments?
What exactly do you mean by this Mr Chairman?;
"New Aston Villa chairman Steve Hollis has expressed his frustration at the club's summer spend and insists "other things need to be fixed" before big money is spent again."
What other things need fixing,apart from removing the assholes who mis-spent the £60 million,that you felt was money wasted?
Does our chairman read anything on here, or am I wasting my time asking the questions?
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It's all talking in riddles though.
We need to fix everything doesn't really explain to the fans what he considers the real big problems or issues.
If 'Fixing' everything includes sacking the people responsible for 'wasting' £60m then that will be a start.
And I do wish people at the club would stop telling us how fucking passionate Lerner is.
Jumping up and down while watching the Wycombe game doesn't really cut it.
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Does our chairman read anything on here, or am I wasting my time asking the questions?
No he doesnt. But you are not necessarily wasting your time, we all vent here :) Btw this will get merged into the other thread most likely, so look for more responses there :)
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This is from an interview today with Sky Sports.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
In fairness he has only been in the job a short time and I am not quite sure what else you expect him to say.
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This is from an interview today with Sky Sports.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
In fairness he has only been in the job a short time and I am not quite sure what else you expect him to say.
i would at least have expected him to get the amount spent to within 20 million of what it actually was
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This is from an interview today with Sky Sports.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
In fairness he has only been in the job a short time and I am not quite sure what else you expect him to say.
Ideally he would say "At some point I would be happy to talk about addressing our long term future, but right now all of the clubs attention must be on this transfer window and I will be working non stop to insure we take all steps to bring in the highest quality players immediately to give us the best chance of survival."
Honestly what he thinks about last summer or the previous few seasons of austerity and spending cuts is pretty much moot right now. Its January 21st. He and the entire club should be entirely focused on the transfer window.
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This is from an interview today with Sky Sports.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
In fairness he has only been in the job a short time and I am not quite sure what else you expect him to say.
Ideally he would say "At some point I would be happy to talk about addressing our long term future, but right now all of the clubs attention must be on this transfer window and I will be working non stop to insure we take all steps to bring in the highest quality players immediately to give us the best chance of survival."
Honestly what he thinks about last summer or the previous few seasons of austerity and spending cuts is pretty much moot right now. Its January 21st. He and the entire club should be entirely focused on the transfer window.
Absolutely and totally agree.
Unless of course they have accepted the drop.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending
This makes utterly depressing reading.
The austerity drive looks like continuing with no let up.
We appear to be lurching from 1 crisis to the next, and there is obvioulsy no comprehension that BETTER players cost decent money.
I fear the club really has accepted relegation, and think that will 'reset' us financially.
It's all just so fucking depressing.
I actually agree with the Chairman. We need to fix everything from within and sort ourselves out. We have spent money but not wisely for years. Wrong players, wrong contract extensions at the wrong time and so on.
It does not rule out future spending and It suggests Remi can rebuild. I actaully would take more positives from that article than negatives.
Finally it seems to me they have people involved who can see we're in a mess and quick fixes do not work and they will work at putting it all right.
I agree. The point about the net spend is a different one to the amount outgoing. Look at what Gestede and Traore cost and how much better that could have been spent. Had the right coaching structure been in place before the players were signed and everyone was in it together, the side could have been better organised and looking more of a unit from the beginning when the fixtures were there to give us a good start. Any investor needs to be confident that they're giving their money to someone who knows what they're doing.
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For once I am in agreement with this. I am assuming that the player contractual situation is a real mess and before adding to it he wants to get some level of control over these and probably other Financial matters.
It probably means that those expecting new players in this window which will have a major impact on this season will be dissapointed.
I have been saying for a long time that they need to start planning for the Championship, hopefully this is what they are doing.
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Even though he has suggested that's how the structure will be at the club. That as Chairman he will have full decision making authority.
Full decision making authority over running the club and as Chairman but raising money, granting security, selling the ground, agreeing naming rights, changing the name of the club, selling the club. I don't think so.
Where did selling the ground, naming rights, changing the name of the club come from? Has that been suggested by anyone as part of what Hollis is able to do? What's being suggested is that within his parameters as Chairman there's things he can engage to run the club profitably and efficiently as a business. I'm quite sure if a bid came in for the club, he'd know about it, but it's Randy's decision to make. I'm not sure how you made the leap between what is reasonably the Chairman's scope of responsibility to what would obviously involve the owner.
You said full decision making authority, it's above, you wrote it. I am just pointing out that there will be limits to his Authority.
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Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.
In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.
At £150 million, I think we're cheap.
So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.
The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.
In the PL.
He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.
Exactly and why it is worth so much less now.
What is it worth now? Any idea?
Based on a multiple of EBITDA, not much. But this is football, God knows how it's valued.
Read in the Evening Mail that we were once again in the top 30 richest clubs in the world in the 2014 -15 season (22nd or 23rd I think). That is despite how garbage we were. Albion were in the top 30 for the first time as well.
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The normal methods of Valuation would suggest that the club is worth very little. The EBITDA multiple and net asset valuations don't work.
The devil would be in the deatail and that detail is the player contracts as the players represent the biggest Assets and expense and potential write downs.
RL knows that he would not get back much of the investment he has put in if he sells now or in the Championship. Tens of millions at best, my hunch is £30 to£50 mil.But he won't sell for that.
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Even though he has suggested that's how the structure will be at the club. That as Chairman he will have full decision making authority.
Full decision making authority over running the club and as Chairman but raising money, granting security, selling the ground, agreeing naming rights, changing the name of the club, selling the club. I don't think so.
Where did selling the ground, naming rights, changing the name of the club come from? Has that been suggested by anyone as part of what Hollis is able to do? What's being suggested is that within his parameters as Chairman there's things he can engage to run the club profitably and efficiently as a business. I'm quite sure if a bid came in for the club, he'd know about it, but it's Randy's decision to make. I'm not sure how you made the leap between what is reasonably the Chairman's scope of responsibility to what would obviously involve the owner.
You said full decision making authority, it's above, you wrote it. I am just pointing out that there will be limits to his Authority.
Yes off course there are limits. As Chairman. It's not like I am suggesting being Chairman means he suddenly became the owner of the club is it?
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I have hope in the Chairman but no hope in Fox. The latter seems to think that Paddy Riley is a football guru. What will happen when Hollis finds that Riley hasn't got a clue?
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It's all talking in riddles though.
We need to fix everything doesn't really explain to the fans what he considers the real big problems or issues.
If 'Fixing' everything includes sacking the people responsible for 'wasting' £60m then that will be a start.
And I do wish people at the club would stop telling us how fucking passionate Lerner is.
Jumping up and down while watching the Wycombe game doesn't really cut it.
Most of the clubs doing well haven't spent money........ hmmmm is he sure?
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At least he sounded decisive in that interview. Another confirmation that they spent the transfer budget badly so when will the people responsible for blowing £60m be relieved of their duties then?
Looks like austerity times are here again, austerity times are here again austere times are here again.
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Back to the days of Ellis. I think we have spent ten years going around in a rather large circle and ending up back where we started.
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Back to the days of Ellis. I think we have spent ten years going around in a rather large circle and ending up back where we started.
This is far worse.
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Back to the days of Ellis. I think we have spent ten years going around in a rather large circle and ending up back where we started.
This is far worse than that ever was.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35378292
Just what we need on the eve of a big derby game.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35378292
Just what we need on the eve of a big derby game.
Trust that lot to put the boot in.
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FFS! Following that interview I'm praying Remi Garde will be our Graham Taylor. I'm sure I read something/recall Sir Graham saying about when the rot sets into a big club the demise can be rapid/dramatic and it's harder to turn the club around (I'm paraphrasing I'm sure someone will remember it more precisely) but it sadly seems as though we've arrived at that point again.
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How about a conspiracy theory...Lerner wants Fox to move to a CCO position but doesn't have the balls to do it, so he's hired Hollis to do the dirty work for him. A new CEO to follow in due course. Wonder what Nicola Cortese is up to ? 110% Gospel (and I'm wearing a white suit too)
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Well after reading what Tom Fox said last night we are playing five card brag with only three cards.
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I presume by saying we've wasted 60 million in the Summer that he thinks our new players are crap , the new players on the whole are not the problem , hardly motivational for them is it when they've just found a bit of momentum
Or am I reading this completely wrong.
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Agree VillaAlways. I find the comments by the new chairman about the wasting of money on summer transfers very disturbing. It seems to be a nod in the direction of Sherwood and through Sherwood a defence of Fox's sponsorship of Sherwood.
I see nothing wrong with Amavi, Traore, Gueye, Veretout, Ayew, Crespo or even bearing in mind his age and fitness limitations, Lescott. Gestede was clearly a losing gamble. Richards is a very good player but a very stupid one. Our problems have nothing whatsoever to do with the incoming players and everything to do with the players who were already here - Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richardson, Westwood, Bacuna, Clark, N'Zogbia and to a lesser but significant degree, Hutton and Sinclair. Add to that hard core of dissenting inferior players a shameful lack of preparation and fitness for the new season and you see in stark reality why we were relegation fodder before the clocks went back.
If our new chairman is going to start his time with us by regurgitating Sherwood's defence he is failing his first and most important duty to support Remi Garde.
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Hollis needs to be careful what he says when he has a microphone shoved in his face. Offering up a 'make absolutely anything of this that you want' answer to the 'was there a misspend' question was naive and unprofessional.
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Absolutely Steve. We have had the waves of unprofessional conduct and naivety breaking over the good ship Aston Villa for the entire period of ownership by Randy Lerner.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35378292
Just what we need on the eve of a big derby game.
This is great. I've read two interviews with the new Chairman and basically he is saying the players aren't good enough. Whereas this may be true they are all we've got and now he's basically bagged them. How to influence and motivate the players and manager. Prick..
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35378292
Just what we need on the eve of a big derby game.
This is great. I've read two interviews with the new Chairman and basically he is saying the players aren't good enough. Whereas this may be true they are all we've got and now he's basically bagged them. How to influence and motivate the players and manager. Prick..
Are those not just all quotes from last night's AVST meeting?
If the tone of the meeting from Hollis and Fox had been "well, things aren't as bad as all that", do you think the reaction to it would be better?
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Sorry I know it's early days but I fear this bloke is another clueless appointment. The fact that he said I would never have thought of running a football club or words to that effect immediately sent alarm bells ringing.
Surely we needed somebody with a modicum of experience in this field.
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I want the appointment to work, but am exteremely unimpressed thus far. Every time he opens his gob he makes things worse. If he wanted a stupid rash rent a gob as chairman then Randy could have promoted Micah Richards.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35378292
Just what we need on the eve of a big derby game.
This is great. I've read two interviews with the new Chairman and basically he is saying the players aren't good enough. Whereas this may be true they are all we've got and now he's basically bagged them. How to influence and motivate the players and manager. Prick..
Are those not just all quotes from last night's AVST meeting?
If the tone of the meeting from Hollis and Fox had been "well, things aren't as bad as all that", do you think the reaction to it would be better?
It's just that the new signings such as Ayew, Vertout, Gana etc are the ones who are actually trying to get us out of this hole, but it came across as if the new signings are sh*t. Just my opinion from reading what's been reported online and what I've read (although that could just be biased reporting).
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I want the appointment to work, but am exteremely unimpressed thus far. Every time he opens his gob he makes things worse. If he wanted a stupid rash rent a gob as chairman then Randy could have promoted Micah Richards.
For the appointment to work, we need to give it time, not a couple of weeks. I think we could have done without this AGM anyway. I know these dates are probably arranged in advanced and need to happen but this is the kind of thing we could do with at the moment.
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For the appointment to work, we need to give it time, not a couple of weeks. I think we could have done without this AGM anyway. I know these dates are probably arranged in advanced and need to happen but this is the kind of thing we could do with at the moment.
Agree it is early days, but I can only judge on what he says at the moment, and most of what he is saying is borderline idiotic. Ultimately I will judge on his actions, which are yet to materialise.
I like Garde, but with buffoons like Fox to support him, and now a chairman that thinks spending money on players is not the way forwards then he will be working with two hands tied behind his back.
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Every Villa fan wants it to work of course, but on the surface it just seems like somebody that has appointed to a job where he has absolutely no experience in , and that naivety is already showing in his recent comments.
It strikes me like everything it's another appointment with very little thought.
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I want the appointment to work, but am exteremely unimpressed thus far. Every time he opens his gob he makes things worse. If he wanted a stupid rash rent a gob as chairman then Randy could have promoted Micah Richards.
For the appointment to work, we need to give it time, not a couple of weeks. I think we could have done without this AGM anyway. I know these dates are probably arranged in advanced and need to happen but this is the kind of thing we could do with at the moment.
I'd disagree Clampy, I've learnt some things there that I didn't know before.
However as is suspected behind the scenes on the football side of the club it's an absolute shambles. Not having a scouting network!! academy is light years behind smaller clubs!! Looks like Almstad has discovered pretty much nothing in place for what he does!!
At least Fox held his hands up for the shambles this summer. Hopefully with some guidance from Hollis he can help turn it around.
And Lerner called this being a custodian, he should hang his head in shame for the dereliction of duty he's overseen. I'm actually quite staggered at the level of incompetence.
Maybe the first thing the club should do is start looking at our club motto and start realising what it means.
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http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35378292
Just what we need on the eve of a big derby game.
This is great. I've read two interviews with the new Chairman and basically he is saying the players aren't good enough. Whereas this may be true they are all we've got and now he's basically bagged them. How to influence and motivate the players and manager. Prick..
Are those not just all quotes from last night's AVST meeting?
If the tone of the meeting from Hollis and Fox had been "well, things aren't as bad as all that", do you think the reaction to it would be better?
It's just that the new signings such as Ayew, Vertout, Gana etc are the ones who are actually trying to get us out of this hole, but it came across as if the new signings are sh*t. Just my opinion from reading what's been reported online and what I've read (although that could just be biased reporting).
That BBC article doesn't even hint of him saying that (nor, as far as I can tell does the full transcript from last night).
He doesn't mention the new signings at all, other than to say that changing managers all the time means that it's harder for them.
Whether he's thrown them under a bus in a previous interview or not I don't know, but he certainly doesn't in that BBC article.
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Pretty much the jist of it is that we've done next to nothing over the last 10 years apart from throw money around, zero infrastructure until the summer. Lerner isn't fit to own a club and the people he's hired over this time haven't been fit to run the club. Talk of putting in strucvtures to catch up with Leicester and Watford..... these are clubs that have been in the top division for one season and they are supposedly more advanced than we are. It speaks volumes of what a shambles of an ownership Lerners reign has been.
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I have to say I'm less than impressed.
"Randy has actually put more than £200m in player signings, new money, coming into this over the last 10 years," said Hollis.
Well yes, but the problem is mate most of that was spent in the first three years, and the subsequent austerity led to buying slightly cheaper players that were never good enough.
The problem with the summer recruitment was that it didn't go far enough.
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I look forwards to reading next seasons accounts too I we have supposedly spent £23m net in the summer. I don't want to label anyone as a liar but that smells like bullshit again to me.
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Some people seem to be missing context here, to paraphrase he seemed to say that you have to view it as wasted money because we're 10 points from safety, in that respect he's right, clearly the money we spent hasn't translated to points so it was a waste. The reasons for that are more important than anything else and he suggests that the poor infrastructure at the club is the main one.
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I am really struggling with the negativity here. Strikes me that he is calling it exactly how it is, namely that we have been mismanaged for years and have spent extremely unwisely too. In my mind he’s making a simple statement that the club is in a dire situation and that a stint in the Championship is the result of all of this. Additionally it surely is no shocker that players are not falling over themselves to come to us in this window given the gap we have to close; if it is indeed a case that the club has clauses in place for major pay cuts to survive a stint in the Championship then the incentive will be even less.
Bottom line for me is that, like everyone here, I am livid as to the way we ended up where we are, but if it seems that we are mitigating the shock of relegation early and that will help us in bouncing back quickly.
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Some people seem to be missing context here, to paraphrase he seemed to say that you have to view it as wasted money because we're 10 points from safety, in that respect he's right, clearly the money we spent hasn't translated to points so it was a waste. The reasons for that are more important than anything else and he suggests that the poor infrastructure at the club is the main one.
I think this is a false conclusion.
The money we spent was a 'waste' because we didn't spend enough,or make enough changes, and that again would be a structural issue for the club.
It was like buying all the components for a bike, except the wheels and handlebar. Instead we've been trying to fashion these items well after the race has started.
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“He (Lerner) is a very persuasive man,” adding “I said I’m very flatttered to be approached and to be considered as someone who can take on this great job but I’m not a football guy.
“He (Lerner) said we’ve had football guys but I wanted someone who is a businessman.”
We've had football guys? Who and when was that then Randy?
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I'm still not sure what to make of last might's meeting.
Hollis and Fox gave answers that you would expect to defend "the business side of the club".
Watching the body language of the two Tom Fox knew he was going to get a lot of stick and he stayed pretty calm and played a straight bat to most of the criticism he was given. He even admited that it was ultimately his responsibility for appointing and not supporting/getting the best from Sherwood. Despite all this I still don't think he gets it, or what we as "fans" want.
Hollis - started reasonably confidently - he appears to be doing his homework, but then things started to fall apart. He had no paper to make notes so had to beg a piece from the meeting chairman. Hope he made a note to have words with the staff who didn't put out some of those notepads they have for conferences! As the meeting went on he did appear to be flustered by the risings of unrest from the floor. Hopefully he will take from that an understanding we are far from happy, and we are hoping he will be the one to sort things out. On that point the jury is out. His record appear to be good, it appears that he can go into organisations and say what needs to be said. Behind closed doors away from the paying public let's hope he will do that.
It was hard to tell how the 2 of them will get on. Questions were asked about how has the final say etc. But I think a lot of our hopes for things to improve will depend on how these 2 work together. Fox has had virually a free rein until now. Hollis is now his boss. It appears they are trying to put on a show of unity, and Hollis does seem to be agreeing with Fox that the business side is making some progress, but the football is still crap, despite all the good people working at Bodymoor Heath.
Hopefully they know - that we know - they are talking bulls**t - and they are going to do something about it. Hopefully Hollis is the man to "encourage" those with potential at all levels of the club to achieve it. I think he understands that - but will he have enough balls to do it?
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I am really struggling with the negativity here. Strikes me that he is calling it exactly how it is, namely that we have been mismanaged for years and have spent extremely unwisely too. In my mind he’s making a simple statement that the club is in a dire situation and that a stint in the Championship is the result of all of this. Additionally it surely is no shocker that players are not falling over themselves to come to us in this window given the gap we have to close; if it is indeed a case that the club has clauses in place for major pay cuts to survive a stint in the Championship then the incentive will be even less.
Bottom line for me is that, like everyone here, I am livid as to the way we ended up where we are, but if it seems that we are mitigating the shock of relegation early and that will help us in bouncing back quickly.
I agree, although Pat Murphy's headline is stating the obvious, all the fans know we are in crisis. I do think that what Hollis has said indicates the club might at last be planning with more foresight for the future and that relegation has to be accepted as a likely outcome. However, a win this weekend may add a little more light into the current darkness, but another run of games with Villa not losing is a vital requirement.
I agree with Clampy, we need to give Hollis time, even if we don't really have any, to save us from relegation.
As far as Murphy's reporting is concerned, I've no doubt he enjoyed writing every word. I just hope we can stick a win at the weekend right up his rear orifice ;D
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It's obvious that Hollis isn't quite used to having this kind of a goldfish bowl media profile in his previous employment. So when asked about our summer spending, he tried his best to give an answer that wouldn't really offend anybody too much. If he'd said, the money had been well spent, he'd have been ridiculed. And if he'd really come out and actually said we 'wasted' all of it, he would've got (rightfully) slaughtered just like Sherwood was.
He basically gave a 'we are where we are type of answer'. The answer to the question is that we bought the right players at the wrong time, and our current position has more to do with our failings in previous transfer windows, not last summer's, which at least Fox did recognise (and been ridiculed for).
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Sorry I know it's early days but I fear this bloke is another clueless appointment. The fact that he said I would never have thought of running a football club or words to that effect immediately sent alarm bells ringing.
Surely we needed somebody with a modicum of experience in this field.
It's this kind of statement that would have made Hollis seem the perfect hire for bat shit crazy Randy Lerner.
I have yet to see anything on the new Chairman's C.V. to suggest he is qualified for this role. Likewise, the lack of clarity on who is really running the show in the Boardroom leads me to think there will be problems down the line. I hope I'm wrong and I hope all parties work together like a dream but if I were a betting man, and knowing Lerner's track record at creating messes, I can see some kind of fall-out in six to twelve months.
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I am getting a bit sick of the club hiding behind the 'good people working at Bodymoor Heath'.
What are they actually responsible for?
It can't be for bringing through top class players.
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Back to the days of Ellis. I think we have spent ten years going around in a rather large circle and ending up back where we started.
This is far worse.
You are right Dave. This is potentially a very serious situation that we find ourselves in as we have utterly clueless people running this club. I think Randy is actually as naive and "dangerous" as the Venky's people at Blackburn. He, like Ellis before him, is putting himself before the Club which is not good for our short to medium term prospects of competing once more at the top of the game. If we can somehow stay up this season all might be okay but should relegation occur I just feel we will continue to drift and slide until Lerner realises he will have to take a hit and sell the Club - alas, it might take him some time to swallow his pride and to come to terms with this.
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Some people seem to be missing context here, to paraphrase he seemed to say that you have to view it as wasted money because we're 10 points from safety, in that respect he's right, clearly the money we spent hasn't translated to points so it was a waste. The reasons for that are more important than anything else and he suggests that the poor infrastructure at the club is the main one.
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I think this is a false conclusion.
The money we spent was a 'waste' because we didn't spend enough,or make enough changes, and that again would be a structural issue for the club.
The idea that they could replace 4 regular first teaser including a Goal scorer of Bentekes prowess with those signings is just ludicrous. If that is the premise our new Charman is working under then we are in even deeper shit.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
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Some people seem to be missing context here, to paraphrase he seemed to say that you have to view it as wasted money because we're 10 points from safety, in that respect he's right, clearly the money we spent hasn't translated to points so it was a waste. The reasons for that are more important than anything else and he suggests that the poor infrastructure at the club is the main one.
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I think this is a false conclusion.
The money we spent was a 'waste' because we didn't spend enough,or make enough changes, and that again would be a structural issue for the club.
The idea that they could replace 4 regular first teaser including a Goal scorer of Bentekes prowess with those signings is just ludicrous. If that is the premise our new Charman is working under then we are in even deeper shit.
I'd rather risk a ''structural issue'' than have a season of Guzan, Gestede, Westwood, Bacuna, Lescott, Sinclair and all the other donkeys that populate the squad.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I'm pretty sure that they could both self-immolate on the steps of the Holte and we'd still be told that they just don't CARE ENOUGH.
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I am getting a bit sick of the club hiding behind the 'good people working at Bodymoor Heath'.
What are they actually responsible for?
It can't be for bringing through top class players.
or coaching
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I'm pretty sure that they could both self-immolate on the steps of the Holte and we'd still be told that they just don't CARE ENOUGH.
i will definitely piss on them if they are on fire.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
didnt he say that we wasted 60 million in the summer? i equate that to him saying that the players we bought are shit
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
didnt he say that we wasted 60 million in the summer? i equate that to him saying that the players we bought are shit
That's a bit simplistic. It's a waste because we haven't got the right blend of players.
Given the sheer numbers involved in the overhaul of the squad last year we needed every one of them contributing pretty much from day 1.
What if we hadn't indulged ourselves in the gamble on Traoré and the apparent waste of signing Crespo and put that money plus Gestede's fee and wages to getting a better striker?
The whole team would look much better for it.
At the risk of doing chrisw1's head in with another analogy, it's like buying a car and finding out the dealer's kept the steering wheel.
The bits of the car you've got are fine in themselves, but until you get the last parts you're going to struggle getting anywhere and the money you've spent is wasted until you sort it.
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Some people seem to be missing context here, to paraphrase he seemed to say that you have to view it as wasted money because we're 10 points from safety, in that respect he's right, clearly the money we spent hasn't translated to points so it was a waste. The reasons for that are more important than anything else and he suggests that the poor infrastructure at the club is the main one.
hn
I think this is a false conclusion.
The money we spent was a 'waste' because we didn't spend enough,or make enough changes, and that again would be a structural issue for the club.
The idea that they could replace 4 regular first teamers including a Goal scorer of Bentekes prowess with those signings is just ludicrous. If that is the premise our new Charman is working under then we are in even deeper shit.
I'd rather risk a ''structural issue'' than have a season of Guzan, Gestede, Westwood, Bacuna, Lescott, Sinclair and all the other donkeys that populate the squad.
Agbonlahor Richardson. Its a pretty long list.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I just think people want to see some/any action.
They have little more than a week to prove the doubters wrong.
So far it's a big fat fail.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I just think people want to see some/any action.
They have little more than a week to prove the doubters wrong.
So far it's a big fat fail.
I don't get the 'any action' bit. What's the point in bringing in somebody who's not going to make much of a difference?
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I don't trust them to fix it. Tom Fox has made things much worse since he came in, and I don't really see anything in a semi-retired accountant to inspire.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
didnt he say that we wasted 60 million in the summer? i equate that to him saying that the players we bought are shit
That's a bit simplistic. It's a waste because we haven't got the right blend of players.
Given the sheer numbers involved in the overhaul of the squad last year we needed every one of them contributing pretty much from day 1.
What if we hadn't indulged ourselves in the gamble on Traoré and the apparent waste of signing Crespo and put that money plus Gestede's fee and wages to getting a better striker?
The whole team would look much better for it.
At the risk of doing chrisw1's head in with another analogy, it's like buying a car and finding out the dealer's kept the steering wheel.
The bits of the car you've got are fine in themselves, but until you get the last parts you're going to struggle getting anywhere and the money you've spent is wasted until you sort it.
I think it's the people selecting and then driving the car.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I just think people want to see some/any action.
They have little more than a week to prove the doubters wrong.
So far it's a big fat fail.
I don't get the 'any action' bit. What's the point in bringing in somebody who's not going to make much of a difference?
It's obvious they are going for targets they can't get/wont come.Ellis used to get loads for going for so called targets he knew he wouldn't get.It seems the board have learnt off the best.
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See, he said about £60m last night but it the context of "we spent £60m". Not how it was divided up.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I just think people want to see some/any action.
They have little more than a week to prove the doubters wrong.
So far it's a big fat fail.
I don't get the 'any action' bit. What's the point in bringing in somebody who's not going to make much of a difference?
It's obvious they are going for targets they can't get/wont come.Ellis used to get loads for going for so called targets he knew he wouldn't get.It seems the board have learnt off the best.
Without wishing to be seen as their arch apologist, but how have you concluded that?
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I just think people want to see some/any action.
They have little more than a week to prove the doubters wrong.
So far it's a big fat fail.
I don't get the 'any action' bit. What's the point in bringing in somebody who's not going to make much of a difference?
It's obvious they are going for targets they can't get/wont come.Ellis used to get loads for going for so called targets he knew he wouldn't get.It seems the board have learnt off the best.
How is it obvious and why would they do that?
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Well yes, that too. But it was more that "we've wasted £60M = every single signing was shit," when most people can see that Ayew and Veretout in particular look like they belong at PL level, as did Amavi in part before he got injured. Fanatics started well and faded, but the last couple of games have seen improvement again, so as individuals those 4 at least don't look like a waste of money, but the whole package? That's obviously a waste of money as we've spent £60M on filling 4 or 5 spaces in the 1st 11 and a couple of squad fillers and royally f##ked it up.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I just think people want to see some/any action.
They have little more than a week to prove the doubters wrong.
So far it's a big fat fail.
I don't get the 'any action' bit. What's the point in bringing in somebody who's not going to make much of a difference?
It's obvious they are going for targets they can't get/wont come.Ellis used to get loads for going for so called targets he knew he wouldn't get.It seems the board have learnt off the best.
How is it obvious and why would they do that?
Say I wanted to make it look like I was going to spend to get out of trouble,but go for unreachable targets because of the budget that has been set,but tell the fans we are working tirelessly to bring players in.
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They have not said that though.
I don't have much faith in these guys yet but I don't think they are pulling that one.
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I am still a bit bemused by some of the negativity. Hollis didn't say the summer business was shit. He didn't refuse to fund transfers this window. And what they persistently tried to point out was that it isn't JUST about money. We have thrown lots of money at it previously but if you don't spend it properly it gets you nowhere.
Fox finally acknowledged his own mistakes. They even suggested as the present incumbents they would take shit for what had come before them.
They can't just flick a switch and make this better. But at least they are acknowledging the problems.
I just think people want to see some/any action.
They have little more than a week to prove the doubters wrong.
So far it's a big fat fail.
I don't get the 'any action' bit. What's the point in bringing in somebody who's not going to make much of a difference?
It's obvious they are going for targets they can't get/wont come.Ellis used to get loads for going for so called targets he knew he wouldn't get.It seems the board have learnt off the best.
How is it obvious and why would they do that?
Say I wanted to make it look like I was going to spend to get out of trouble,but go for unreachable targets because of the budget that has been set,but tell the fans we are working tirelessly to bring players in.
Well you may be right but there's no proof that's what's happening.
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They have not said that though.
I don't have much faith in these guys yet but I don't think they are pulling that one.
I didn't say that they have said it.
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They have not said that though.
I don't have much faith in these guys yet but I don't think they are pulling that one.
I didn't say that they have said it.
Ok Right :-\
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Jesus Clampy it's just an opinion.Stop asking posters for proof every time you don't agree.Its getting tiresome.
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I can't see where he asks for proof. Just his opinion that there is none.
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
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I can't see where he asks for proof. Just his opinion that there is none.
Sorry Clampy I read your post wrong.
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I can't see where he asks for proof. Just his opinion that there is none.
Sorry Clampy I read your post wrong.
Can I have proof that you read it wrong?
Only joking.
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I can't see where he asks for proof. Just his opinion that there is none.
Sorry Clampy I read your post wrong.
Can I have proof that you read it wrong?
Only joking.
I ordered new specs 2 weeks ago.I think they are coming via the moon.
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Hollis: 'You've got to look at the facts, this club spent £60m last summer'.
On what exactly?
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I laughed when I read what was said last night and previous days before the meeting, Hollis said spending more on players is not exactly the right answer and that other clubs are not spending large amounts of players then Tom Fox said last night other clubs are spending large amounts on average players to avoid the drop lol...
Both of them contradicting each other already, our club is a mess and they only way it's going to move forward is for Lerner to drop his asking price and sell...
I'm getting bored of this "we spent 60 million in the summer" our net spend was nowhere near that, I wish they would stop peddling that statistic...
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Hollis: 'You've got to look at the facts, this club spent £60m last summer'.
On what exactly?
i thought we got 32.5 for benteke and spent approx. 40
fuck me if he cant add up there is no hope
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Hollis: 'You've got to look at the facts, this club spent £60m last summer'.
On what exactly?
i thought we got 32.5 for benteke and spent approx. 40
fuck me if he cant add up there is no hope
I know. Selective accounting can give the wrong impression.
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
Can only be something like Liverpool have only paid half for Benteke so far (they did say at the time the deal was heavy with add on clauses) so with something like 16 m ish for him and 8 for D*lph that's 25m.
I am struggling to see though how we've paid 50m odd for all the new signings. Yes if you add them all up it comes to over 50m but surely we didn't pay outright fees even if maybe that's what the French clubs wanted given they're not as cash rich.
For example surely there's no way we'd have paid a straight 12m to Barca for Adama.
But then I think of how we've been run last 5 years and yep that's probably happened.
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
Can only be something like Liverpool have only paid half for Benteke so far (they did say at the time the deal was heavy with add on clauses) so with something like 16 m ish for him and 8 for D*lph that's 25m.
I am struggling to see though how we've paid 50m odd for all the new signings. Yes if you add them all up it comes to over 50m but surely we didn't pay outright fees even if maybe that's what the French clubs wanted given they're not as cash rich.
For example surely there's no way we'd have paid a straight 12m to Barca for Adama.
But then I think of how we've been run last 5 years and yep that's probably happened.
Or they're talking about total fees, regardless of how much has actually been paid already.
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
Can only be something like Liverpool have only paid half for Benteke so far (they did say at the time the deal was heavy with add on clauses) so with something like 16 m ish for him and 8 for D*lph that's 25m.
I am struggling to see though how we've paid 50m odd for all the new signings. Yes if you add them all up it comes to over 50m but surely we didn't pay outright fees even if maybe that's what the French clubs wanted given they're not as cash rich.
For example surely there's no way we'd have paid a straight 12m to Barca for Adama.
But then I think of how we've been run last 5 years and yep that's probably happened.
Or they're talking about total fees, regardless of how much has actually been paid already.
You mean all the various clauses that may or may not happen?
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
Can only be something like Liverpool have only paid half for Benteke so far (they did say at the time the deal was heavy with add on clauses) so with something like 16 m ish for him and 8 for D*lph that's 25m.
I am struggling to see though how we've paid 50m odd for all the new signings. Yes if you add them all up it comes to over 50m but surely we didn't pay outright fees even if maybe that's what the French clubs wanted given they're not as cash rich.
For example surely there's no way we'd have paid a straight 12m to Barca for Adama.
But then I think of how we've been run last 5 years and yep that's probably happened.
Adama was £7m upfront with an additional 2m euros depending on certain conditions met according to Barcelona's website. The rest of the transfers, even if you take the highest reported fee's it's just over £50m. There's no way we spent £60m+ and no way we spent £23m net this summer unless there's some serious dougenomics being bought in to play.
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You mean all the various clauses that may or may not happen?
No, the basic fee agreed regardless of whether it was in instalments or not.
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
I seriously doubt we spent £23 million net....
I read in a report where after all the out goings and in comings of players last summer had been accounted for our net spend was roughly £15 million net....
Which in the grand scheme of things is nothing in the EPL...
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
I seriously doubt we spent £23 million net....
I read in a report where after all the out goings and in comings of players last summer had been accounted for our net spend was roughly £15 million net....
Which in the grand scheme of things is nothing in the EPL...
I'd also be surprised if it was £15m net. We almost definitely got in £43m from sales in the summer. How on earth can the 11 players that we spent money on have cost £58m, one was Crespo who cost a pack of crisps. One was Lescott, we know that was £2m. One was a kid that cost nothing and Bunn cost nothing. Richards was out of contract too.
So that would mean Gestede, Amavi, Traore, Gueye, Veretout and Ayew cost a combined £56m or around £9.5m each. Not gonna happen. If it did, whoever agreed to the fee's would need firing tomorrow.
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
I seriously doubt we spent £23 million net....
I read in a report where after all the out goings and in comings of players last summer had been accounted for our net spend was roughly £15 million net....
Which in the grand scheme of things is nothing in the EPL...
I'd also be surprised if it was £15m net. We almost definitely got in £43m from sales in the summer. How on earth can the 11 players that we spent money on have cost £58m, one was Crespo who cost a pack of crisps. One was Lescott, we know that was £2m. One was a kid that cost nothing and Bunn cost nothing. Richards was out of contract too.
So that would mean Gestede, Amavi, Traore, Gueye, Veretout and Ayew cost a combined £56m or around £9.5m each. Not gonna happen. If it did, whoever agreed to the fee's would need firing tomorrow.
Problem is mate, our club is so poorly run it wouldn't surprise me if a large amount of money has been frittered away by people who don't know what their doing reguarding Transfers...
Too much bureaucracy and levels of management at Villa Park interfering with Football matters and we have just installed another level of management which will complicate matters even more..
All these people are a shield for Lerner, the only way this is only going to get better is for Lerner to sell...
Lerner just doesn't want to invest or bother with the club anymore, every decision he has made in the last five years has been a disaster, he sells our best players and replaces them with cheap lower league or inexperienced unproven foreign players, we should have been signing proven premier league players in their prime for the spine of our team, but instead we will be going down this season...
Ruined the Cleveland Browns and Aston Villa that's not a coincidence...
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He didn't say that last night or in the pre meeting, erm, meeting. I might have missed something on the afternoon press call but was at work then!
no probs mate, it was on the sky sport page (link on page 32) yesterday, im still trying to work out where the 60 million came from!
Apparently we spent £23m net in the summer, which will make interesting reading in next years accounts in that case because I simply can't believe the fee's would have been that high for what we signed. Hollis' words. Then again he also said Randy told him they'd tried a footballing man and now they needed a business man running the show. Which is bullshit too, we've never had a ''football man'' running anything. Probably more Randy blather though the goon.
I seriously doubt we spent £23 million net....
I read in a report where after all the out goings and in comings of players last summer had been accounted for our net spend was roughly £15 million net....
Which in the grand scheme of things is nothing in the EPL...
I'd also be surprised if it was £15m net. We almost definitely got in £43m from sales in the summer. How on earth can the 11 players that we spent money on have cost £58m, one was Crespo who cost a pack of crisps. One was Lescott, we know that was £2m. One was a kid that cost nothing and Bunn cost nothing. Richards was out of contract too.
So that would mean Gestede, Amavi, Traore, Gueye, Veretout and Ayew cost a combined £56m or around £9.5m each. Not gonna happen. If it did, whoever agreed to the fee's would need firing tomorrow.
Gana and Amavi were both 9m each, our remember those fees clearly. Ayew was about 10m wasn't he, I'm under the impression Adama was 12m but seems it was less than that. Gestede was 6m, can't remember how much Veretout was, maybe 7m.
So yeah when you add them all up it probably does come to over 50m. However I'm working on the basis we surely haven't paid all those clubs that money in one lump sum as we really would be amateurs....Barcelona are hardly desperate for cash are they?
It's not like we sold Benteke and then recieved a cheque for 32.5m through the post the next morning so I'd like to think that applied to our incomings aswel. Just like when we signed Bent for apparently 24m but it never came close to reaching that.
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No Dave doesn't make it any easier though. Just seems like the whole club fans included are at war with each other.
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Let's see if t hey have already given up this season...
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Spent does not mean we have handed the cash over.
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With the reorganisation, who is actually on the Villa Board now.
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Reports surfacing that Lerner is going to appoint his 18 year old son to the board. Sounds a great plan, our board is crying out for a teenage yank with no experience of anything.
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Reports surfacing that Lerner is going to appoint his 18 year old son to the board. Sounds a great plan, our board is crying out for a teenage yank with no experience of anything.
I'm assuming you're joking, right?
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No
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
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Work experience. Make the tea Max. Cheers.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
Good idea and then you can wait to jump in and defend the decision regardless of how daft it is.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
There's a story online that Randy's gonna appoint his 18 year old son to the board of directors at Villa Park. You honestly think people are gonna wait for the full details to emerge before discussing it? It's fuckin mental!
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
Good idea and then you can wait to jump in and defend the decision regardless of how daft it is.
So given that you are suggesting that I am always defending the decision, what daft decision by the club did I last defend?
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Lerner loves his yes men.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
There's a story online that Randy's gonna appoint his 18 year old son to the board of directors at Villa Park. You honestly think people are gonna wait for the full details to emerge before discussing it? It's fuckin mental!
Before jumping off a bridge, what I am saying is let's see 1) if it's true, and 2) if it is in what capacity? If he is appointed with significant say in the running of the club, I will gladly concur that it is utterly bonkers.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
There's a story online that Randy's gonna appoint his 18 year old son to the board of directors at Villa Park. You honestly think people are gonna wait for the full details to emerge before discussing it? It's fuckin mental!
If it's true.
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Don't start a quotathon you bastards!
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I really hope it isn't true.
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Why on earth would he do that after saying he wants to 'distance himself' from the club more (although quite how he'd manage that, unless he was stowed away in Tim Peake's luggage, I'm not sure)?
If it is true, then jesus christ, he's fucking lost it.
Like some insane Asian king appointing his cat minister of justice, just because he can.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
We're not a serious organisation. So this could well happen.
Randy's eyes and ears?
Paranoia?
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If he could be Randy's eyes, ears and brain, we might have a chance.
A bold decision, if true. Following after that trailblazer Dave Whelan.
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As paulie says, it makes no sense in the context of everything that's happened over the last 5 years and certainly the last 18 months with him publicly declaring his intention to remove himself from club to then throw his son, who he's been quite protective of in terms of keeping him out of the spotlight, straight into a business he wants out of.
If it is true
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It makes no sense, so it makes perfect sense.
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I don't think an 18 yr old being put in any position within the club is the best thing for him considering some of the anger that will likely be displayed between now and relegation.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
There's a story online that Randy's gonna appoint his 18 year old son to the board of directors at Villa Park. You honestly think people are gonna wait for the full details to emerge before discussing it? It's fuckin mental!
Before jumping off a bridge, what I am saying is let's see 1) if it's true, and 2) if it is in what capacity? If he is appointed with significant say in the running of the club, I will gladly concur that it is utterly bonkers.
I hope that those who give a shit what you say hold you to 2).
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
There's a story online that Randy's gonna appoint his 18 year old son to the board of directors at Villa Park. You honestly think people are gonna wait for the full details to emerge before discussing it? It's fuckin mental!
Before jumping off a bridge, what I am saying is let's see 1) if it's true, and 2) if it is in what capacity? If he is appointed with significant say in the running of the club, I will gladly concur that it is utterly bonkers.
I hope that those who give a shit what you say hold you to 2).
Why have come back on here again, and what on earth does that even mean?
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Randy Lerners son should not be appointed to the board in any capacity.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
There's a story online that Randy's gonna appoint his 18 year old son to the board of directors at Villa Park. You honestly think people are gonna wait for the full details to emerge before discussing it? It's fuckin mental!
Before jumping off a bridge, what I am saying is let's see 1) if it's true, and 2) if it is in what capacity? If he is appointed with significant say in the running of the club, I will gladly concur that it is utterly bonkers.
I hope that those who give a shit what you say hold you to 2).
Why have come back on here again, and what on earth does that even mean?
Your point 2). It is perfectly reasonable.
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Randy Lerners son should not be appointed to the board in any capacity.
Ain't that the truth.
I'm hoping its some kind of hoax, but who'd even think of making up a story as daft as this?
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Randy Lerners son should not be appointed to the board in any capacity.
Ain't that the truth.
I'm hoping its some kind of hoax, but who'd even think of making up a start as daft as this?
Get a vote on it.
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He just doesn't seem to understand how serious this is and how hard a job the rebuild is going to be. It's not a time for playing around and putting kids in as board members. Not even to make a cup of tea and I don't give a shit if it's what happens in NFL. This isn't NFL. It would be pointless and antagonistic and give a lot of people more chance to take the piss or question the clubs decision making.
The club needs to rebuild trust between the support and the hierarchy, they aren't going to do that by appointing children to the board, whatever the position.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
There's a story online that Randy's gonna appoint his 18 year old son to the board of directors at Villa Park. You honestly think people are gonna wait for the full details to emerge before discussing it? It's fuckin mental!
Before jumping off a bridge, what I am saying is let's see 1) if it's true, and 2) if it is in what capacity? If he is appointed with significant say in the running of the club, I will gladly concur that it is utterly bonkers.
I hope that those who give a shit what you say hold you to 2).
Why have come back on here again, and what on earth does that even mean?
Sorry. I didn't think that I needed your permission.
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so you've back on to be snide? Did you outstay your welcome somewhere else?
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
Good idea and then you can wait to jump in and defend the decision regardless of how daft it is.
So given that you are suggesting that I am always defending the decision, what daft decision by the club did I last defend?
This is very funny.
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
Good idea and then you can wait to jump in and defend the decision regardless of how daft it is.
So given that you are suggesting that I am always defending the decision, what daft decision by the club did I last defend?
This is very funny.
so go on. Answer the question.
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It's late (early) but hasn't he got the General for anything his son might do?
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if it's true in what capacity would he join? To me it's such a non story and if we were doing what we all hoped we were doing, that is buying a few players, playing well, scoring goals, getting points and getting out of this mess this wouldn't matter. I don't think his son would be coming in to oversee the business so let's not make it into that.
If it is true, it stinks of crass nepotism. No serious organisation puts an 18 year old on the Board.
Why don't we wait to hear the full story? And if you think nepotism doesn't exist in business, what rock have you been sleeping under? And especially sport; see the NFL as the best example possible of organizations where nepotism is rife.
Good idea and then you can wait to jump in and defend the decision regardless of how daft it is.
So given that you are suggesting that I am always defending the decision, what daft decision by the club did I last defend?
This is very funny.
so go on. Answer the question.
Too busy laughing. Read this thread.
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So again, answer the question as opposed to avoiding it. Surely as an investment banker you have an eye for detail and you won't have to dig through the thread to prove your point.
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So again, answer the question as opposed to avoiding it. Surely as an investment banker you have an eye for detail and you won't have to dig through the thread to prove your point.
I am not an Investment Banker. Part of my world involves Investment Banking.
I do not understand why you take it upon yourself to attack any one that criticises Lerner, you did it after I mentioned a drink with a Browns fan, You dug up all sorts of spurious arguements to defend Lerner then, a number of other posters with greater knowledge of NFL had to put you right. And look you have done it again. There is a pattern here, perhaps you would like to explain why you have taken it upon your self to be Randys attack dog.
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Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?
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Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?
You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.
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Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?
What about all those times I criticised Lerner and you jumped in to tell me I've got it all wrong? Are you saying now it never happened?
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Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?
You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.
About the Browns? What exactly did I say in defence of him? In fact what makes it funnier is I follow the Steelers. If you think I defended his ownership then you're wrong. If I suggested there might have been inaccuracies about things being claimed about his time there, well yes there are. Many. I lived in Pittsburgh, I'm in Cleveland every few weeks for work. I'm a lot closer to the Browns fans than you think and even they will tell you it isn't all about Lerner. Especially considering how horrific they have been since he sold them.
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Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?
What about all those times I criticised Lerner and you jumped in to tell me I've got it all wrong? Are you saying now it never happened?
Off course I've defended him. Have you always criticized him? It's no different. At some point you decided criticizing him for everything was the right thing to do. I dont agree with that approach. There are things he has done wrong and I've said it and there are things that I don't think warrants criticism. It's not like everyone entirely shares either your position or mine.
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Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.
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Right so we agree then. At one point you defended him and thought he was a really good owner. Same with me. However I don't entirely have that view anymore though I don't have the same radical view on him as you. I think there are things he should be criticized for and other things that aren't all down to him. You don't share that view and that's fine.
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Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.
Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.
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Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.
Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.
There were quite a few calling it back then and getting abuse for it.Nothing much has changed it seems.
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Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?
You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.
About the Browns? What exactly did I say in defence of him? In fact what makes it funnier is I follow the Steelers. If you think I defended his ownership then you're wrong. If I suggested there might have been inaccuracies about things being claimed about his time there, well yes there are. Many. I lived in Pittsburgh, I'm in Cleveland every few weeks for work. I'm a lot closer to the Browns fans than you think and even they will tell you it isn't all about Lerner. Especially considering how horrific they have been since he sold them.
you made out his stewardship of the Browns was not as bad as other owners in the NFL. Again totally unwarranted you just waded in and attacked, so attacking someone for criticising someone is not a defence eh. You have done it again in relation to this story. You can't help yourself. As I said why do you find it so necessary to attack any one that criticises him? Are you related or something?
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Everyones nerves are a little raw. Can't we unite a little by talking about how loathesome brummie reds are?
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Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.
Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.
There were quite a few calling it back then and getting abuse for it.Nothing much has changed it seems.
I recall there were several who challenged Krulack on it on a number of occasions during that last MON season, paulie and Risso are the only 2 whose names I can definitely remember.
I don't recall as much direct abuse, probably because the football side of things looked good still, but there was definitely "leave it alone" or "who are you to question them."
Fast forward to now and I don't think anyone would say that the club was well run or that Lerner has been a good owner.
Where the divisions occur is between edging towards painting Lerner as the devil incarnate, thinking that the answer to our problems is to just repeat the MON experiment with no thought as to what the consequences might be or something a little more nuanced.
The discussion on Friday night where saunders called for a nurse for me, essentially implying I should be locked up, for saying that even in a season such as this there are a couple of faint pin pricks of light is a good example. An absolutist determination that everything is blacker than coal and no room to hear anything else.
That to me lacks credibility. If you're going to criticise and denigrate, then do it where it's most deserved. The world isn't black and white, even if ours has far too many shades of charcoal right now, so acknowledge the bits that aren't black. It won't make the bigger issues any less.
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Again show me evidence that I have actually defended Lerner. You have to this point continued to avoid backing up the claim you are making. Where have I come to his defence?
You have done it here you did it about the Browns.
You do it all the time, maybe you don't realise you are doing it.
About the Browns? What exactly did I say in defence of him? In fact what makes it funnier is I follow the Steelers. If you think I defended his ownership then you're wrong. If I suggested there might have been inaccuracies about things being claimed about his time there, well yes there are. Many. I lived in Pittsburgh, I'm in Cleveland every few weeks for work. I'm a lot closer to the Browns fans than you think and even they will tell you it isn't all about Lerner. Especially considering how horrific they have been since he sold them.
you made out his stewardship of the Browns was not as bad as other owners in the NFL. Again totally unwarranted you just waded in and attacked, so attacking someone for criticising someone is not a defence eh. You have done it again in relation to this story. You can't help yourself. As I said why do you find it so necessary to attack any one that criticises him? Are you related or something?
Can you bring up exactly the point I defend Lerner in relation to this story? Because you've lost me.
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Everything that's gone wrong at this club over the last 6 seasons is down to Lerner in my opinion, so yeah I've been on his back for over 5 years now. He was like a breath of fresh air in those first 4 years, but little did we know what was around the corner.
Anyone wanting to play smart arse on that account should be giving the gold stars to the likes of Paulie and Risso who called the finances at the end of MON's 3rd season whilst you were presumably still cock-a-hoop with spending money we couldn't afford.
There were quite a few calling it back then and getting abuse for it.Nothing much has changed it seems.
Nobody was getting abuse for it. And I'm not sure how you would know one way or the other, given that you weren't here at the time.
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
So Mr sly old Fox and co. my question is What special thing are you building ?
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So Mr sly old Fox and co. my question is What special thing are you building ?
Ground Zero for a fallout zone of despair
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
So Mr sly old Fox and co. my question is What special thing are you building ?
We are ceasing to trade as a football club and are re-opening in August as an accountancy firm.
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Ground Zero for a fallout zone of despair
That sounds like it should be a Manic Street Preachers lyric.
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
They're definitely incahoots about something.
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
They're definitely incahoots about something.
The transfer window sounds like it was quite a Mexican standoff between the management and the board.
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Ground Zero for a fallout zone of despair
That sounds like it should be a Manic Street Preachers lyric.
I'm under neon lonliness
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
So Mr sly old Fox and co. my question is What special thing are you building ?
Witless and Co have pretty much knocked all that pish on the head with the appointment of Hollis.
As soon as he came in the talk was about embracing relegation and suggesting that the club had tried spending money, so now they are taking a different approach.
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
Maybe they want to have their cape and eat it!
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Haha, "ponchos" indeed. Schoolboy error.
At Villa, we call 'em Panchos.
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
So Mr sly old Fox and co. my question is What special thing are you building ?
Witless and Co have pretty much knocked all that pish on the head with the appointment of Hollis.
As soon as he came in the talk was about embracing relegation and suggesting that the club had tried spending money, so now they are taking a different approach.
No, it wasn't, it was about not fearing relegation, the difference between those 2 being truly vast. Then with money he didn't say we've tried spending money so now they're taking a different approach what he said was much closer to 'just spending money hasn't worked so we need to do something different'. In both cases you've slanted things as negatively as possible, which has become common on this site recently, when what he actually said was just good sense and, as someone has posted on here previously was an acknowledgement that going full MON won't help but that also what we've done more recently is clearly wrong.
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I don't think a new chairman coming in and talking so openly about relegation -as if it is inevitable- was good sense at all. It was quite a pisser, in fact.
The club needed galvanising at that point,and there was still scope to do that. The talk should have been about how we are going to fight tooth and nail to stay in the top flight, but -should the worst happen- plans would be in place to deal with the drop.
We know we are probably doomed, but it wasn't so clear cut then. And you'd like to think everyone at the club was pulling out the stops to prevent it.
In his short time at the club, he has spoken about relegation as if it is inevitable, talked about a 'crisis club' and referred to fans as customers (as if we are likely to start going down the Olbiyun or Blues if we're not happy with the product).
He might go on to be a fine chairman, but in keeping with recent Lerner appointments, he seems to have a gift for hitting the wrong note. And it wouldn't be unlike Lerner to appoint a duffer, would it?
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I don't think a new chairman coming in and talking so openly about relegation -as if it is inevitable- was good sense at all. It was quite a pisser, in fact.
The club needed galvanising at that point,and there was still scope to do that. The talk should have been about how we are going to fight tooth and nail to stay in the top flight, but -should the worst happen- plans would be in place to deal with the drop.
We know we are probably doomed, but it wasn't so clear cut then. And you'd like to think everyone at the club was pulling out the stops to prevent it.
In his short time at the club, he has spoken about relegation as if it is inevitable, talked about a 'crisis club' and referred to fans as customers (as if we are likely to start going down the Olbiyun or Blues if we're not happy with the product).
He might go on to be a fine chairman, but in keeping with recent Lerner appointments, he seems to have a gift for hitting the wrong note. And it wouldn't be unlike Lerner to appoint a duffer, would it?
That wasn't what he said though. He recognised it was a distinct possibility, anything else would have lacked credibility and been dismissed as "more corporate bullshit" or similar, and said that whatever happens we'll deal with it.
The customer thing is WM/Evening Mail reporting. When he used the word customers, he was talking about his previous jobs.
The last paragraph, quite agree. As much as anything else a "football man" on the board might lessen these unfortunate turns of phrase.
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Just want to say well done Steve - you are doing well during your initial probation period of six months.
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I want to ask one question.
I have heard so many times from the head ponchos at villa park that we are building something special and we all want to be part of it.
So Mr sly old Fox and co. my question is What special thing are you building ?
Whatever was being built is now lying in a heap on the ground. Bring on the next merry round of Lerner-inspired madness.
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I like what he says here: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5429019,00.html
Comes across well but dare I say it so did Tom Fox on his initial interviews. At least Hollis seems to be putting actions to his words.
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I like what he says here: http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~5429019,00.html
Comes across well but dare I say it so did Tom Fox on his initial interviews. At least Hollis seems to be putting actions to his words.
I like the words but here we go again we have a "model" - so not "building something special" or developing the "project"? What is the model then, what does it look like, how will I know it is working?
Like almost every other Villa fan I want these words to ring true in the years to come and the "Villa Way" to become a positive reality not a bye-word for "joke club" - I long to be amazed...
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He's talking the talk, lets see if we walk the walk
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I like the sound of Steve Hollis, he seems quite ruthless. With this and the other appointments, please please let this mean we are heading in the right direction.
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I like the sound of Steve Hollis, he seems quite ruthless. With this and the other appointments, please please let this mean we are heading in the right direction.
As we've seen with managers, getting rid of them is easy enough, it's how you replace them that matters.
I hope that Hollis succeeds, but unless Lerner is prepared to back him and the manager all of this is just rearranging the deck chairs on The Titanic.
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I like the sound of Steve Hollis, he seems quite ruthless. With this and the other appointments, please please let this mean we are heading in the right direction.
As we've seen with managers, getting rid of them is easy enough, it's how you replace them that matters.
I hope that Hollis succeeds, but unless Lerner is prepared to back him and the manager all of this is just rearranging the deck chairs on The Titanic.
Quite true, but the seeds of recovery must start somewhere. I hope this new board will have the powers to convince Randy we need some financial injection.
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I very much appreciate his rather blunt recognition of what a mess has gone on these last few years. That in itself is refreshing.
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Sounds good and sounds like Garde will be staying to me.
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Sounds good and sounds like Garde will be staying to me.
Well reading that it appears we will know one way or another within a week
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I read "the old model was broken, Tom led the old model, bye Tom".
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Apologies if posted before/elsewhere.
From the OS
The Board of Directors has appointed a Football Board to oversee all football matters at the Club.
This new Board will be Chaired by David Bernstein and Mervyn King and will include Brian Little and a new Head of Football Operations (HFO) when recruited.
The manager will report directly to David Bernstein. All other football functions will report to the HFO.
This reorganisation will provide specialist and dedicated control at Bodymoor Heath with the aim of bringing stability, confidence and a platform for long term success to Aston Villa Football Club.
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Apologies if posted before/elsewhere.
From the OS
The Board of Directors has appointed a Football Board to oversee all football matters at the Club.
This new Board will be Chaired by David Bernstein and Mervyn King and will include Brian Little and a new Head of Football Operations (HFO) when recruited.
The manager will report directly to David Bernstein. All other football functions will report to the HFO.
This reorganisation will provide specialist and dedicated control at Bodymoor Heath with the aim of bringing stability, confidence and a platform for long term success to Aston Villa Football Club.
If only it was still 2010.
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Apologies if posted before/elsewhere.
From the OS
The Board of Directors has appointed a Football Board to oversee all football matters at the Club.
This new Board will be Chaired by David Bernstein and Mervyn King and will include Brian Little and a new Head of Football Operations (HFO) when recruited.
The manager will report directly to David Bernstein. All other football functions will report to the HFO.
This reorganisation will provide specialist and dedicated control at Bodymoor Heath with the aim of bringing stability, confidence and a platform for long term success to Aston Villa Football Club.
I want Barry Fry.
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Wait until Evel Knievel's broke his back, then build him a new rocketbike.
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Apologies if posted before/elsewhere.
From the OS
The Board of Directors has appointed a Football Board to oversee all football matters at the Club.
This new Board will be Chaired by David Bernstein and Mervyn King and will include Brian Little and a new Head of Football Operations (HFO) when recruited.
The manager will report directly to David Bernstein. All other football functions will report to the HFO.
This reorganisation will provide specialist and dedicated control at Bodymoor Heath with the aim of bringing stability, confidence and a platform for long term success to Aston Villa Football Club.
If only it was still 2010.
You're right, but I suppose better late than never. If Lerner keeps backing the club, we'll be back.
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If Lerner keeps backing the club, we'll be back.
I think I hear the faint sound of saunders_heroes hyperventilating somewhere.
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If Lerner keeps backing the club, we'll be back.
I think I hear the faint sound of saunders_heroes hyperventilating somewhere.
There's been an eerie quiet since it was revealed just how much Lerner's still been pumping into the club. Or he may be poorly (if so get well s_h), or holidaying in the Bahamas.
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If Lerner keeps backing the club, we'll be back.
I think I hear the faint sound of saunders_heroes hyperventilating somewhere.
Quick someone get him a paper bag or an inhaler.
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Apologies if posted before/elsewhere.
From the OS
The Board of Directors has appointed a Football Board to oversee all football matters at the Club.
This new Board will be Chaired by David Bernstein and Mervyn King and will include Brian Little and a new Head of Football Operations (HFO) when recruited.
The manager will report directly to David Bernstein. All other football functions will report to the HFO.
This reorganisation will provide specialist and dedicated control at Bodymoor Heath with the aim of bringing stability, confidence and a platform for long term success to Aston Villa Football Club.
If only it was still 2010.
such a shame, and what an immense waste of money to realise this.
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This is more like it, a good ole traditional footballing board of what seems to be some decent blokes.
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Good that sense finally is being adopted albeit to late to save us from relegation.
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Good that sense finally is being adopted albeit to late to save us from relegation.
But hopefully in time to get us back up.
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A big part of getting back up is having a plan to do so. That everyone at the club has one intention in mind. As bleak as it is right now, the club at least are getting a head start on this albeit enforced. We won't survive but we can essentially use the back end of this season as pre-season, not just on the playing side but off the field too. We need to make sure our house is in order for the start of next season.
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Apologies if posted before/elsewhere.
From the OS
The Board of Directors has appointed a Football Board to oversee all football matters at the Club.
This new Board will be Chaired by David Bernstein and Mervyn King and will include Brian Little and a new Head of Football Operations (HFO) when recruited.
The manager will report directly to David Bernstein. All other football functions will report to the HFO.
This reorganisation will provide specialist and dedicated control at Bodymoor Heath with the aim of bringing stability, confidence and a platform for long term success to Aston Villa Football Club.
Bloody hell, that HFO role has nothing to do with the Sporting Director role Hendrik Almstadt had at the club. It's going to be one very powerful position. Good to see they're not even dishing fancy job titles out, no Director of Football, just old school 'Head of..'.
I can't wait to hear how they've retitled Hendrik's job.
I'm really struggling to think who they will bring in as Head of Football Operations. Somebody that knows the game inside out, a great administrator, communicator as well as a bit of a strategic visionary.
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Listened to the interview just on the site and it all makes a lot of sense but of course he is walking into a situation where in a way the easy part was to change the people in power as it clearly has not worked.
The true judge is to see if this works.. which as always come down to results on the field first and foremost.
Also Sort the press office... the press release (Q&A) is very poor again, they have pulled out too many "model" quotes so it just does not read well, in comparison to the actual interview Steve gave.
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Good that sense finally is being adopted albeit to late to save us from relegation.
But hopefully in time to get us back up.
Yep let's hope so and Hollis comment on the balance sheet was encouraging.
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Good that sense finally is being adopted albeit to late to save us from relegation.
But hopefully in time to get us back up.
Yep let's hope so and Hollis comment on the balance sheet was encouraging.
Interestingly, that exactly what Fox was trying to say at the AVST AGM. If we drop, we are in a very good position to leverage our size and the fact we are Man City esque in budget compared to our competitors.
He didn't say it like that though and, because he said it, nobody wanted to listen anyway. Ultimately, that is why he had to go.
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I'm hopeful they will get it right only because the people at the club making the decisions are significantly better than those we have had at any time during the Randy Lerner era. Football people chaired by a highly respect football administrator, and two men who bleed the colours and powerful in their own right. All governed by Hollis, a man trained in rescue jobs like ours who is taking a detailed and impartial look at how everything was done and might be done going forward.
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So is Hollis now in charge of the stable door or is that still our Randy?
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Reading between the lines, Hollis is running the show, Mervyn is his trusted lieutenant, Krulak is their to have a specific job of making sure Lerner's money is used properly by the new board.
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Apologies if posted before/elsewhere.
From the OS
The Board of Directors has appointed a Football Board to oversee all football matters at the Club.
This new Board will be Chaired by David Bernstein and Mervyn King and will include Brian Little and a new Head of Football Operations (HFO) when recruited.
The manager will report directly to David Bernstein. All other football functions will report to the HFO.
This reorganisation will provide specialist and dedicated control at Bodymoor Heath with the aim of bringing stability, confidence and a platform for long term success to Aston Villa Football Club.
Bloody hell, that HFO role has nothing to do with the Sporting Director role Hendrik Almstadt had at the club. It's going to be one very powerful position. Good to see they're not even dishing fancy job titles out, no Director of Football, just old school 'Head of..'.
I can't wait to hear how they've retitled Hendrik's job.
I'm really struggling to think who they will bring in as Head of Football Operations. Somebody that knows the game inside out, a great administrator, communicator as well as a bit of a strategic visionary.
Our last Head of Football Operations was Gary Karsa - just sayin'.
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In my opinion, the balance sheet isn't "strong", not really. OK, we haven't got much in the way of debt since Lerner converted the last of the loan notes into equity, but there's no cash either. It's not really any different to Newcastle's position where Ashley still has loans due to him. When it's a single owner, realistically it doesn't make a lot of difference if its debt or equity. They can only take cash out if the clubs make a profit, and if they don't, they have to keep propping the clubs up financially.
If I understand the new parachute payments correctly, we get the payments for 3 years, and the for the first year it's 55% of the broadcasting money of the Premier League clubs. That's a massive cut in income, so we'll need to have included some fairly hefty relegation clauses in contracts, and/or sell some of the top earners. My worry is that we'll have players like Agbonlahor earning decent money still, and no other team will want him. You would think that ticket, commercial and sponsorship income will drop considerably, so wages will need to reduce massively just to break even. I think we'll still be needing cash from Lerner to prop us up, so this talk of a strong balance sheet doesn't really mean much, as we'll be as dependent on ever on an owner who wants to sell, but who has already sunk £300m into the club, only to see it where it is now.
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In my opinion, the balance sheet isn't "strong", not really. OK, we haven't got much in the way of debt since Lerner converted the last of the loan notes into equity, but there's no cash either. It's not really any different to Newcastle's position where Ashley still has loans due to him. When it's a single owner, realistically it doesn't make a lot of difference if its debt or equity. They can only take cash out if the clubs make a profit, and if they don't, they have to keep propping the clubs up financially.
If I understand the new parachute payments correctly, we get the payments for 3 years, and the for the first year it's 55% of the broadcasting money of the Premier League clubs. That's a massive cut in income, so we'll need to have included some fairly hefty relegation clauses in contracts, and/or sell some of the top earners. My worry is that we'll have players like Agbonlahor earning decent money still, and no other team will want him. You would think that ticket, commercial and sponsorship income will drop considerably, so wages will need to reduce massively just to break even. I think we'll still be needing cash from Lerner to prop us up, so this talk of a strong balance sheet doesn't really mean much, as we'll be as dependent on ever on an owner who wants to sell, but who has already sunk £300m into the club, only to see it where it is now.
But, apart from that, everything be cool, yeah?
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Is it 55% of the money in the new deal?
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Link shortened. Get yourself over to 'How to' in OT (https://www.google.com/search?q=steve+hollis&tbm=isch&imgil=A7oev8VOmKJB6M%253A%253Bz0LwQ4Ce4ndc6M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.expressandstar.com%25252Fsport%25252Faston-villa-fc%25252F2016%25252F01%25252F14%25252Faston-villa-name-steven-hollis-as-chairman%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=A7oev8VOmKJB6M%253A%252Cz0LwQ4Ce4ndc6M%252C_&usg=__TLrnUWcN71iG523tnZNFc63V3sk%3D&biw=1366&bih=643&ved=0ahUKEwiM39zB-8rLAhUCtRoKHYnrCZsQyjcIJg&ei=U1bsVszpDILqaonXp9gJ#imgrc=KdBGA5HcgV5-UM%3A)
Hollis used to have hair that's the main thing.
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Is it 55% of the money in the new deal?
I assume so. But then you've got to factor in what will already be an even higher wage bill, with all the new recruits included.
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Thank you - I don't like these machine things.
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The first season is key, I think from a FFP point of view.
From what I glean, a Premier League club relegated is exempt for the first season, thereafter you get fines or transfer embargoes depending on how badly you break them. Mind you, you have to have a brain like Brainiac or his doppelgänger Risso to understand them.
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Losing N'Zogbia and the best part of £5 million a year he costs us should help. You'd have to hope somebody would be daft enough to take Richards off our hands too, while I'm not sure we can rely on anybody being as idiotic as to buy Gabby. Even with just the first two and Richardson you're probably talking £10 million a year, which would drop us to £64 million. Factor in a 30% reduction and we would arrive at a wage bill of £45 million.
I'm not sure how that would sit with the income, but whether we were going to stay up or not we should be looking to shift the high earning parasites.
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I'm really struggling to think who they will bring in as Head of Football Operations. Somebody that knows the game inside out, a great administrator, communicator as well as a bit of a strategic visionary.
I'll get abused for this, but I've long thought Southgate is suited to this sort of position. He's spent donkeys studying the best academies and was involved with St Georges Park (or at the very least there during the planning and implementation) whilst working for the FA. Apparently threw his toys out when he was not offered Ashworth's position, so seemingly likes the strategic back house role.
Obviously he knows the club and Brian Little so there would be some sort of continuity/shared knowledge.
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Why would you get abused for posting that?
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I'm really struggling to think who they will bring in as Head of Football Operations. Somebody that knows the game inside out, a great administrator, communicator as well as a bit of a strategic visionary.
I'll get abused for this, but I've long thought Southgate is suited to this sort of position. He's spent donkeys studying the best academies and was involved with St Georges Park (or at the very least there during the planning and implementation) whilst working for the FA. Apparently threw his toys out when he was not offered Ashworth's position, so seemingly likes the strategic back house role.
Obviously he knows the club and Brian Little so there would be some sort of continuity/shared knowledge.
I agree. He knows football, Villa and he comes across as very diplomatic.
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I think Southgate would be a great appointment in that capacity. Wouldn't Bernstein know him from his time at England, or did Southgate work with England after Bernstein?
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Southgate would be a good shout. A really, really good shout thinking about it.
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Southgate would be as good a choice as anybody.
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I'm really struggling to think who they will bring in as Head of Football Operations. Somebody that knows the game inside out, a great administrator, communicator as well as a bit of a strategic visionary.
I'll get abused for this, but I've long thought Southgate is suited to this sort of position. He's spent donkeys studying the best academies and was involved with St Georges Park (or at the very least there during the planning and implementation) whilst working for the FA. Apparently threw his toys out when he was not offered Ashworth's position, so seemingly likes the strategic back house role.
Obviously he knows the club and Brian Little so there would be some sort of continuity/shared knowledge.
That is a very sensible sounding idea. Southgate always seemed to have great respect for the club even when he was getting loads after leaving.
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Have more confidence, Dante. You've been lauded, not abused.
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Losing N'Zogbia and the best part of £5 million a year he costs us should help. You'd have to hope somebody would be daft enough to take Richards off our hands too, while I'm not sure we can rely on anybody being as idiotic as to buy Gabby. Even with just the first two and Richardson you're probably talking £10 million a year, which would drop us to £64 million. Factor in a 30% reduction and we would arrive at a wage bill of £45 million.
I'm not sure how that would sit with the income, but whether we were going to stay up or not we should be looking to shift the high earning parasites.
I think that's optimistic. I think our 2016 accounts will show wages above the £90m mark, when you deduct Benteke and Delph, but add in the £50m of new players. Get rid of say, £10m of high earners, and if the rest of the do take a 25% to 30% drop, then that's still a wage bill of between £50 and £60m. The parachute payments and remaining income should cover it, but I don't think it'll leave much for team strengthening. If we get high earners like Richards off the bill it's unlikely that we'll get a fee for them, so then if you need to sell others, who else is worth much? Ayew, Amavi and Grealish maybe. But then if you sell them, you've got to replace them with players who are going to do a job getting us up. It's why I think we're in for a less than easy time next season. Gestede might repeat his one good season I suppose, but then again, he might not and we don't have many other players who you would back to tear up that decision.
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By his own admission, Steve Hollis is not a football man.
However, it's good to see that Hollis has acknowledged this and has sought to bring in people who know the game and also have an affinity to Aston Villa to give him guidance. Fox clearly thought being involved at a previous club as a commercial guy qualified him to become the senior official of a club needed major surgery without the need for help.
Sadly it's come too late to save us from relegation, but hopefully it gives our chances of bouncing back and cleaning the wreckage left behind by Fox and his mates a boost.
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£90 million seems a bit steep. Wouldn't that be an £16 million leap from this set of accounts? Delph, Benteke and Cleverley must have been on £50-60k per week, while Vlaar must have been mid-30s. We'd have to have added £26 million with the the summer buys and be paying the majority of them £40k per week, which I just cannot see happening.
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Have more confidence, Dante. You've been lauded, not abused.
Ha! I've suggested him before as a DoF and it has not gone down very well, albeit that might be as much to do with the merits of a 'DoF' rather than Southgate the individual.
I'd also let him carry on with his U21 job as we could not have a better link to the county's emerging talent than their coach.
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I'm really struggling to think who they will bring in as Head of Football Operations. Somebody that knows the game inside out, a great administrator, communicator as well as a bit of a strategic visionary.
I'll get abused for this, but I've long thought Southgate is suited to this sort of position. He's spent donkeys studying the best academies and was involved with St Georges Park (or at the very least there during the planning and implementation) whilst working for the FA. Apparently threw his toys out when he was not offered Ashworth's position, so seemingly likes the strategic back house role.
Obviously he knows the club and Brian Little so there would be some sort of continuity/shared knowledge.
That sounds like a very good idea. Definitely worth considering. His dad was a facilities manager at our company when Southgate was at Villa and he most definitely got what our club is about.
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£90 million seems a bit steep. Wouldn't that be an £16 million leap from this set of accounts? Delph, Benteke and Cleverley must have been on £50-60k per week, while Vlaar must have been mid-30s. We'd have to have added £26 million with the the summer buys and be paying the majority of them £40k per week, which I just cannot see happening.
Wages were £83.7m last season. £90 million seems close enough for this season unfortunately.
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I'll get abused for this, but I've long thought Southgate is suited to this sort of position.
Can I ask what sort abuse you are most uncomfortable with before I start?
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Ah I thought they were 74 million.
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Little and Southgate. Wouldn't it be great to have a team like '95 again? Thats a cracking idea.
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I'll get abused for this, but I've long thought Southgate is suited to this sort of position.
Can I ask what sort abuse you are most uncomfortable with before I start?
Fill your boots olaftab, I can take it.
As I said earlier, I've touted the idea before and it has gone down like a pint of sick.
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Little and Southgate. Wouldn't it be great to have a team like '95 again? Thats a cracking idea.
If only it was as easy as Little + Southgate = 1995
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Little and Southgate. Wouldn't it be great to have a team like '95 again? Thats a cracking idea.
If only it was as easy as Little + Southgate = 1995
If only. Quite, sometimes the dream doesn't pan out. I thought us appointing Lambert was going to be a new golden age. Sent us back to the stone ages more like.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/18/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-i-am-not-randy-lerners-poodle/
I like Mr Hollis so far.
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Was watching the Remi Garde press conference today. Watch how his eyes light up and a smile comes to his face when asked to comment on the arrival of Sir Brian Little. He is very positive about it without saying much and despite admitting not knowing the great man well.
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Southgate spent four years trying to leave the club, on and off. So it's a no for me.
A bit of self respect has to kick in somewhere along the line.
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Just watched the interview with Hollis on AVTV. He doesn't half say a lot of the right things and comes over as incredibly humble while obviously very decisive.
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From The Grauniad:
Hollis no poodle!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/mar/18/aston-villa-steve-hollis-remi-garde?CMP=share_btn_tw
Steve Hollis insisted he would never be Randy Lerner’s “poodle” as the Aston Villa chairman spoke of his determination to oversee the sweeping changes that he believes are essential to give the Midlands club the best possible chance of bouncing back next season.
Speaking the morning after Tom Fox tendered his resignation as chief executive officer and at the end of a week when Hendrik Almstadt departed as sporting director, Hollis sounded optimistic about Villa’s future on and off the field. It was notable, however, that he would not give any guarantees that Rémi Garde would remain as manager beyond the end of a season that will almost certainly end in relegation.
Hollis explained that David Bernstein and Mervyn King, who are part of a new‑look Villa board, were looking closely at the football side of the club, with Brian Little also acting as an adviser, and that any judgment on Garde would need to wait until their extensive review was complete.
“Rémi Garde, when you look at his CV, is one of the top managers in Europe. He has joined an organisation that needs fixing and it is one of the toughest jobs in the Premier League,” Hollis said. “But David, Mervyn and co are working closely with Rémi and the team. Let’s see where David and the team get to. I don’t want to fall into the trap of ‘this is what I think’. It’s a board who are doing this review and it’s the board that will make the decisions and communicate when it’s ready.”
Hollis, a former deputy chairman of Birmingham Metropolitan College, was appointed at Villa Park in January, when Lerner announced that he would become more detached from the club. The two men first met in the United States, where Hollis made it clear that he would accept the offer to replace Lerner as chairman only if he was given the power that goes with the position.
“I was very clear when I took the chair: ‘If you want some poodle who’s just going to be your mouthpiece, you’ve got the wrong bloke, because I’m not doing that. You’re a board member, Randy, and I’ll respect you as a shareholder but that’s the relationship we have.’ It’s brave. It’s part of his family assets and he’s handed over the stewardship of that asset to a new board team.”
As part of his drive to turn things around at Villa, Hollis revealed that he had visited a number of clubs to establish “key ingredients” for success. “No1 is stability and clarity around what the strategy is.”
Although Hollis warned that there could be cuts further down the road – “If you want to fix something you have to take a bit of pain along the way” – he insisted that the financial picture was not a concern and went as far as to say that Villa “will have one of the strongest balance sheets in the Championship” in the event of relegation. “We have a business model which works through for the next two or three years,” Hollis said.
The atmosphere at Villa Park in recent weeks has been close to mutinous, with much of the supporters’ anger directed at Fox and Lerner, whose reign as owner has spectacularly unravelled. After three successive top-six finishes under Martin O’Neill, Villa have spent the past six seasons season fighting relegation and are currently rock bottom, nine points adrift of safety.
“The one thing I do see is there’s a pent up frustration from supporters which is understandable and what they want is a quick fix,” Hollis said. “I keep saying never waste a good crisis. Use this as an opportunity to call the bottom and then put in place things to do which will see better times to come.”
Asked whether this is “the bottom” and as bad as it gets for Villa, Hollis replied: “I’d like to think so. I’m a businessman not a football man. If you remember in the financial crisis every one was trying to predict the bottom. It takes a brave man to predict the bottom in any swing or cycle. I’m not going to fall into that trap. Hopefully it is at the bottom. We just need to work hard at it.”
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So our new chairmans latest outburst is that Villa must build football gravitas......for those that don't know what gravitas means, Oxford dictionary states that it means DIGNITY.
Well Mr Chairman, if you want to build dignity at Aston Villa, get the "players" who have got us in the crap we're in, to have the dignity to quit their contracts, with immediate effect.
I mentioned "players", meaning those on the pitch as well as off it.
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So our new chairmans latest outburst is that Villa must build football gravitas......for those that don't know what gravitas means, Oxford dictionary states that it means DIGNITY.
Well Mr Chairman, if you want to build dignity at Aston Villa, get the "players" who have got us in the crap we're in, to have the dignity to quit their contracts, with immediate effect.
I mentioned "players", meaning those on the pitch as well as off it.
How exactly does he do that?
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Although Hollis warned that there could be cuts further down the road – “If you want to fix something you have to take a bit of pain along the way” – he insisted that the financial picture was not a concern and went as far as to say that Villa “will have one of the strongest balance sheets in the Championship” in the event of relegation. “We have a business model which works through for the next two or three years,” Hollis said.
“The one thing I do see is there’s a pent up frustration from supporters which is understandable and what they want is a quick fix,” Hollis said. “I keep saying never waste a good crisis. Use this as an opportunity to call the bottom and then put in place things to do which will see better times to come.”
Yes we must not sleepwalk into the Championship and think a bit of plaster would fix this.
It may not be the bottom but let's make it the bottom and cleanse the place thoroughly.
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So our new chairmans latest outburst is that Villa must build football gravitas......for those that don't know what gravitas means, Oxford dictionary states that it means DIGNITY.
Well Mr Chairman, if you want to build dignity at Aston Villa, get the "players" who have got us in the crap we're in, to have the dignity to quit their contracts, with immediate effect.
I mentioned "players", meaning those on the pitch as well as off it.
How exactly does he do that?
Yes a silly post IMO.
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So our new chairmans latest outburst is that Villa must build football gravitas......for those that don't know what gravitas means, Oxford dictionary states that it means DIGNITY.
Well Mr Chairman, if you want to build dignity at Aston Villa, get the "players" who have got us in the crap we're in, to have the dignity to quit their contracts, with immediate effect.
I mentioned "players", meaning those on the pitch as well as off it.
How exactly does he do that?
At gun point? During the plane journey to an off the books CIA approved torture centre, perhaps? Merv might be able to furnish us with a few contacts for that last one. Or failing that, what the 'players' really need is some good old fashioned mob retribution, not this new fangled poncey social media stuff. IMO Emoji's are no substitute for the threat of actual physical violence. And if that's not possible due to various legal reasons, a rousing rendition of "You're going to get your fucking heads kicked in" as we warm up would be as good a place as any to start.
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So our new chairmans latest outburst is that Villa must build football gravitas......for those that don't know what gravitas means, Oxford dictionary states that it means DIGNITY.
Well Mr Chairman, if you want to build dignity at Aston Villa, get the "players" who have got us in the crap we're in, to have the dignity to quit their contracts, with immediate effect.
I mentioned "players", meaning those on the pitch as well as off it.
How exactly does he do that?
At gun point? During the plane journey to an off the books CIA approved torture centre, perhaps? Merv might be able to furnish us with a few contacts for that last one. Or failing that, what the 'players' really need is some good old fashioned mob retribution, not this new fangled poncey social media stuff. IMO Emoji's are no substitute for the threat of actual physical violence. And if that's not possible due to various legal reasons, a rousing rendition of "You're going to get your fucking head kicked in" as we warm up would be as good a place as any to start.
He could ask John Carew to have a word with them.
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I just heard him trot out the 'custodian' line. He's on message then.
Dear god.
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I just heard him trot out the 'custodian' line. He's on message then.
Dear god.
For years everything that comes out of Villa Park has been met with responses along the lines of that hoary old cliché "Don't tell me, show me". Now, they're showing us so it's churlish in the extreme to pick up on one word.
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What strikes me about the changes at the top is that for the first time in ages we have some real heavyweights in their respective fields. It can only be a good thing if it starts to correct the balance of power at the club away from halfwits like gabby.
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The changes make sense to me and appear to have smart thinking behind them.
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Southgate spent four years trying to leave the club, on and off. So it's a no for me.
A bit of self respect has to kick in somewhere along the line.
My narrative for the Southgate exit was that Ol' Doug was not prepared to go that extra mile to turn an almost squad into a winning squad. Southgate eventually left because of the frustration that came from this.
I've never had a problem with him and believe he could have been a Villa Great if the club had had more ambition through the 1990s.
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Southgate spent four years trying to leave the club, on and off. So it's a no for me.
A bit of self respect has to kick in somewhere along the line.
My narrative for the Southgate exit was that Ol' Doug was not prepared to go that extra mile to turn an almost squad into a winning squad. Southgate eventually left because of the frustration that came from this.
I've never had a problem with him and believe he could have been a Villa Great if the club had had more ambition through the 1990s.
At the time it seemed as if he shared the majority of the supporters misgivings about Doug and the lack of investment to push the club forward to the point where it could have regularly challenged for trophies...And then he went and spoiled it all by doing something stupid and signing for a poxy club like M'Boro for cash or trophies? You decide.
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What strikes me about the changes at the top is that for the first time in ages we have some real heavyweights in their respective fields. It can only be a good thing if it starts to correct the balance of power at the club away from halfwits like gabby.
It's a small thing but the phone numbers that King and Bernstein would have on their mobiles compared to Fox's connections must make the implementation of any strategy that much easier.
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Southgate spent four years trying to leave the club, on and off. So it's a no for me.
A bit of self respect has to kick in somewhere along the line.
My narrative for the Southgate exit was that Ol' Doug was not prepared to go that extra mile to turn an almost squad into a winning squad. Southgate eventually left because of the frustration that came from this.
I've never had a problem with him and believe he could have been a Villa Great if the club had had more ambition through the 1990s.
At the time it seemed as if he shared the majority of the supporters misgivings about Doug and the lack of investment to push the club forward to the point where it could have regularly challenged for trophies...And then he went and spoiled it all by doing something stupid and signing for a poxy club like M'Boro for cash or trophies? You decide.
Well the narrative on that last bit is that Boro were showing a damn sight more ambition than us at the time! Let's not forget he won a League Cup up there and got to a UEFA Cup final. I seem to recall we were flattering to deceive under Gregory before slowly getting worse under Pug nose.
Very good and intelligent player Southgate and one of the few players in the last 20 years or so who got what this club should be about. His comments in the Woody and Nord book about firstly his transfer, then having to put a picture of the European Cup winning team above his hook in the changing room said everything about Ellis's turn of the century Aston Villa.
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I always got the impression that Gregory hung Southgate out to dry, pushing him towards the door and a reported move to Chelsea, then making it imposible for him to stay when that one fell through.
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I've been reading the comments from Hollis. I think he is just what we need. He is sorting out the rubbish and sounds like he means business. I'm mildly optimistic.
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What strikes me about the changes at the top is that for the first time in ages we have some real heavyweights in their respective fields. It can only be a good thing if it starts to correct the balance of power at the club away from halfwits like gabby.
It's a small thing but the phone numbers that King and Bernstein would have on their mobiles compared to Fox's connections must make the implementation of any strategy that much easier.
Can't say I agree with that. Fox must have some bloody got contacts from his time with Arsenal. Bernstein you would expect wpuld have some as well at a similar level of course, but I'm struggling to think of what King's contact base would bring to the party.
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It's not hard to imagine King moving in the sort of circles that would make operating any business in any field a lot easier.
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I'd welcome Southgate back in a DoF capacity. To be honest I'd take him as manager if he wanted it.
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Southgate was easily our player of the season the summer he handed in his transfer request and the club rejected Chelseas bid for him. He was professional until he finally got a move, I always respected him for that and not sulking during that time.
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I've been reading the comments from Hollis. I think he is just what we need. He is sorting out the rubbish and sounds like he means business. I'm mildly optimistic.
Hollis is doing what his professional instincts are telling him to do - batten down the hatches and get in some credible expertise. What I'm really keen to see is his delivery capability and his ability to move us forward positively and purposefully.
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Yes, it seems that Hollis is talking a good game.
But, only time will tell.
It wasn't so long ago we all thought that Fox talked the talk!
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I'd welcome Southgate back in a DoF capacity. To be honest I'd take him as manager if he wanted it.
What qualifications he brings with him other than failure in his coaching/managerial career?
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Southgate was easily our player of the season the summer he handed in his transfer request and the club rejected Chelseas bid for him. He was professional until he finally got a move, I always respected him for that and not sulking during that time.
May be professional although I am not sure but hardly loyal. He slated the club at every opportunity and then left to further his ambitions at ...oh yes Middlesbrough.
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Yes, it seems that Hollis is talking a good game.
But, only time will tell.
It wasn't so long ago we all thought that Fox talked the talk!
Yes may be but remember Hollis is not a marketing man, therefore not honed in cliches, he is an accountant and a liquidator in his time at KPMG so more in touch with stark reality of where we are today.
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I'd welcome Southgate back in a DoF capacity. To be honest I'd take him as manager if he wanted it.
I'd put him in the middle of our defence.
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Yes, it seems that Hollis is talking a good game.
But, only time will tell.
It wasn't so long ago we all thought that Fox talked the talk!
True, but then like Sherwood not being Lambert, Fox also benefitted simply by not being Faulkner. He did come across as saying a lot of the right things he just couldn't do it and the job overwhelmed him. Hollis on the other hand has seen and done it and what he is being tasked to do is precisely what he is skilled in doing. Plus he has had the immediate foresight to understand where the club was seriously lacking. It is a testament to great management that you hire well in areas that you are not strong and he has done that very quickly. From his interview yesterday not only is the club lacking those that understand football at board level but critically anyone that has a real connection to the club and fans. I thought his observation there was very astute.
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It's not hard to imagine King moving in the sort of circles that would make operating any business in any field a lot easier.
To the best of my knowledge he was an academic who then joined the Bank of England. He may well know business people but he has never run a business in his life.
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What strikes me about the changes at the top is that for the first time in ages we have some real heavyweights in their respective fields. It can only be a good thing if it starts to correct the balance of power at the club away from halfwits like gabby.
It's a small thing but the phone numbers that King and Bernstein would have on their mobiles compared to Fox's connections must make the implementation of any strategy that much easier.
yep I was with him right up until he left us. Middlesbrough? FFS
so it's a no from me
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It's not hard to imagine King moving in the sort of circles that would make operating any business in any field a lot easier.
In what way? He's had a career where he'll have dealt extensively with economists and politicians. I can't see how that has any relevance at all to the world of football.
edit: not that I'm saying it's a bad appointment, I just don't think his contact base will be at all relevant.
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I, too, only ever speak to people that do exactly the same job as me.
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I, too, only ever speak to people that do exactly the same job as me.
Ah, so he was head of the Bank of England by day, and secretly scouted the European leagues by night. Gotcha. I take it all back.
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Ahhhh...how do you know he didn't?
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I'm sure he bumped into some very, very wealthy and influential people in his former occupation. People who might be investors for example or just very successful in whatever it is they do or did.
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I'm really struggling to think who they will bring in as Head of Football Operations. Somebody that knows the game inside out, a great administrator, communicator as well as a bit of a strategic visionary.
I'll get abused for this, but I've long thought Southgate is suited to this sort of position. He's spent donkeys studying the best academies and was involved with St Georges Park (or at the very least there during the planning and implementation) whilst working for the FA. Apparently threw his toys out when he was not offered Ashworth's position, so seemingly likes the strategic back house role.
Obviously he knows the club and Brian Little so there would be some sort of continuity/shared knowledge.
That's a great shout, Dante.
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It wouldn't be completely out of left field for Little to have recommended Southgate.
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I'd welcome Southgate back in a DoF capacity. To be honest I'd take him as manager if he wanted it.
What qualifications he brings with him other than failure in his coaching/managerial career?
It's what he learnt whilst Head of Elite Development with the FA that is what makes me think he is a suitable candidate.
Weirdly the fact that he had a column in a newspaper whilst at Palace and has written a critically acclaimed book makes me think that he is sufficiently studious to do the strategic footballing administration which will also others to coach.
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I'm sure he bumped into some very, very wealthy and influential people in his former occupation. People who might be investors for example or just very successful in whatever it is they do or did.
I'm sure he did. That doesn't mean that his contacts will be more relevant than Tom Fox's though, which was the original point. And Bank of America Merrill Lynch are actively looking for wealthy investors, so at any point that the club has been for sale he could just have pointed people in their direction.
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It's not hard to imagine King moving in the sort of circles that would make operating any business in any field a lot easier.
In what way? He's had a career where he'll have dealt extensively with economists and politicians. I can't see how that has any relevance at all to the world of football.
edit: not that I'm saying it's a bad appointment, I just don't think his contact base will be at all relevant.
My guess is that Bernstein will have the footballing contacts whereas King will have the ear of big business which will be useful for increasing commercial income and maybe schmoozing potential investors
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I'd welcome Southgate back in a DoF capacity.
I would prefer someone with a proven record and a bit more experience in that type of position.
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I'm sure he bumped into some very, very wealthy and influential people in his former occupation. People who might be investors for example or just very successful in whatever it is they do or did.
I'm sure he did. That doesn't mean that his contacts will be more relevant than Tom Fox's though, which was the original point. And Bank of America Merrill Lynch are actively looking for wealthy investors, so at any point that the club has been for sale he could just have pointed people in their direction.
The point is though that he will have contacts in business. Networking makes the business world tick and someone will know someone who will know someone. It doesn't matter if you move in football circles for that to happen. I have contacts through my line of work who work in professional football and who are Ambassadors. I work in neither field. Hollis doesn't need to have moved in football circles to have football contacts and neither is football in a cocoon anymore.
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Can't disagree with any of this. Club is a total shambles.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-season-summed-up-11065796
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Can't disagree with any of this. Club is a total shambles.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-season-summed-up-11065796
I can. We only signed two French players.
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It's not hard to imagine King moving in the sort of circles that would make operating any business in any field a lot easier.
In what way? He's had a career where he'll have dealt extensively with economists and politicians. I can't see how that has any relevance at all to the world of football.
edit: not that I'm saying it's a bad appointment, I just don't think his contact base will be at all relevant.
I think it's safe to say that during his career he'll have met a few high-ranking businessmen, including the sort who own football clubs in their spare time.
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Can't disagree with any of this. Club is a total shambles.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-season-summed-up-11065796
I can. We only signed two French players.
And were not relegated neither
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Can't disagree with any of this. Club is a total shambles.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-season-summed-up-11065796
I can. We only signed two French players.
Wiemann not a loss. Looks no better at Derby.
Cleverley had about 4 decent games.
Vlaar was never fit and a liability for about 90% of his time here.
Another I'll informed expert. Then again I've always felt Jeff Stelling is anti Villa.
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And then you go and spoil it all by saying something stupid like, hire Krulak.
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Can't disagree with any of this. Club is a total shambles.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villas-season-summed-up-11065796
Fuck off Stelling at least get your facts right if you are going to have a go.
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I'm not sure I'd call something quite so glib an insight. He's right about Benteke. You want to win games, you must score goals.
Having a plan of replacement involving an aged lunatic and a Championship player wasn't too smart.
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I would've happily taken Adebayor. He's been a bit hit and miss for Palace so far but he would've been the focal point we've needed upfront to link play and bully defenders and he would've been playing for a manager who knew how to get the best out of him.
What I simply can't understand is why was there never a Plan B when his transfer fell through. It surely can't have been because Gestede scored on his debut and so it was assumed he'd score 15-20 no problem for us this season.
I could've told you after the Palace and Sunderland games when the transfer window was still open Gestede was going to be a very limited player at this level.
Frankly negligent management that has lead to our relegation as you always have a good chance of surviving with a good forward.
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Palace, Sunderland and Leicester;
Gabby scores his one on one and Guzan doesn't have a brain melt down, we win. Richards just let's the ball hit him, we win. We apply a little thought to the 73rd minute onwards at Leicester, we win.
On such fine margins are careers and clubs dashed upon the rocks.
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This is quite an interesting read http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/aston-villa-this-house-is-circus.html?m=1
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thank jwarry. the swiss ramble is always an interesting if not good read.
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This is quite an interesting read http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/aston-villa-this-house-is-circus.html?m=1
Bloody hell.
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This is quite an interesting read http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2016/03/aston-villa-this-house-is-circus.html?m=1
That must be like hardcore porn to Risso.
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Does the Swiss Rambler get out much?
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Mervyn King now on CNBC.
I doubt he will be talking about Remi Garde.
Didn't have a Villa tie on either.
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Does the Swiss Rambler get out much?
I think he meets up with the African Car Reverser and cuts loose every now and then
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I blame the African Car Reverser for our plight. Ever since he appeared, we've gone backwards
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It's not hard to imagine King moving in the sort of circles that would make operating any business in any field a lot easier.
In what way? He's had a career where he'll have dealt extensively with economists and politicians. I can't see how that has any relevance at all to the world of football.
edit: not that I'm saying it's a bad appointment, I just don't think his contact base will be at all relevant.
I think it's safe to say that during his career he'll have met a few high-ranking businessmen, including the sort who own football clubs in their spare time.
David Bernstein on Mervyn King Mervyn was my main connection with Villa, actually. He introduced me to the Chairman. We have known each other for some time. We have talked about Villa over drinks many times. Clearly he's a supporter - over about 55 years. He knows the Club back to front. He loves the Club and is a very, very clever man.
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Another good appointment in the offing???
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/503462/FA-Dan-Ashworth-Aston-Villa-Premier-League
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Would be nice if it happened.
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The fact that we're being linked with people like Moyes and Ashworth would have been unthinkable a fortnight ago.
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Ashworth is very well regarded so it would be a positive move and the football board would be looking very strong.
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That would be a great appoimtment.
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It's as if someone has grabbed Randy around the collar and pulled his head out the sand.
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It's all exciting stuff, potentially of course, but will it all end up being the same when Randy won't open the purse strings? If we use the parachute payment to put straight into a new team then we've every chance of bouncing straight back. We'll be the big fish in that pond so you'd like to think we'd be able to sign the cream of the Championship crop?
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Positive stuff. Off course the writer uses the word "their" incorrectly. But it is The Daily Star I suppose.
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It's all exciting stuff, potentially of course, but will it all end up being the same when Randy won't open the purse strings? If we use the parachute payment to put straight into a new team then we've every chance of bouncing straight back. We'll be the big fish in that pond so you'd like to think we'd be able to sign the cream of the Championship crop?
our parachute money in the first season is 55% of what we got this season so that will be what? 30 odd million?
bear in mind we made a 27 million loss with the current sky deal plus we will have a reduction in commercial and sponsorship revenue i cant see us spending much
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It's all exciting stuff, potentially of course, but will it all end up being the same when Randy won't open the purse strings? If we use the parachute payment to put straight into a new team then we've every chance of bouncing straight back. We'll be the big fish in that pond so you'd like to think we'd be able to sign the cream of the Championship crop?
our parachute money in the first season is 55% of what we got this season so that will be what? 30 odd million?
bear in mind we made a 27 million loss with the current sky deal plus we will have a reduction in commercial and sponsorship revenue i cant see us spending much
That's right. Our financial position will be determined by how much the drop in income iss offset by relegation clauses and player sales. I think we'll be dependent on Lerner still, and therefore won't be spending much.
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I have always thought that a £10m deficit in transfer dealings each season should be reasonably sustainable and not much beyond Randy's current average spend I suspect. If Bernstein et al were given that remit, and power to build/control the other areas then we could compete for european places over a sustained period.
It's been said too often but Spurs would average a lot less than that I suspect and have a number of 'crown jewels' that they can cash in on if they need more structural changes.
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They are great appointments with potentially more to come. Crunch is always going to be around funding for players.
Really hope that doesn't end up with a fallout because these aren't the sort of guys who would be willing to ruin their reputations with a corner shop approach.
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Positive stuff. Off course the writer uses the word "their" incorrectly. But it is The Daily Star I suppose.
A bit like using Off course instead of, of course then;-)
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It's difficult to have a go at someone for not spending money when the people below you have been pissing it away for several years. My hope would be with the new structure, they start making much better use of what money they are given, the finances can be turned around and maybe then Lerner will become more confident that he's not just throwing his money up the wall.
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Positive stuff. Off course the writer uses the word "their" incorrectly. But it is The Daily Star I suppose.
A bit like using Off course instead of, of course then;-)
Ahh, Muphry's Law in action.
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Positive stuff. Off course the writer uses the word "their" incorrectly. But it is The Daily Star I suppose.
A bit like using Off course instead of, of course then;-)
Balls...I'm going to blame it on living in North America for 20+ years and how they have fucked me over in appreciating the English language and now being made to look a knob. Good catch Mr Cowans
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Positive stuff. Off course the writer uses the word "their" incorrectly. But it is The Daily Star I suppose.
A bit like using Off course instead of, of course then;-)
Balls...I'm going to blame it on living in North America for 20+ years and how they have fucked me over in appreciating the English language and now being made to look a knob. Good catch Mr Cowans
Full stop.
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Positive stuff. Off course the writer uses the word "their" incorrectly. But it is The Daily Star I suppose.
A bit like using Off course instead of, of course then;-)
Balls...I'm going to blame it on living in North America for 20+ years and how they have fucked me over in appreciating the English language and now being made to look a knob. Good catch Mr Cowans
Full stop.
I don't understand. We call it a period.
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My wife used to have full stops every month.
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From The Economist:
Surviving the drop (http://www.economist.com/blogs/gametheory/2016/03/surviving-drop?force=scn%2Ffb%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2Fhowtocopewithrelegationfromtheelnglishpremierleague)
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my wife used to have periods every day
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Am I wrong in thinking Brian Little could be the man to fill the Director of football Operations position? Or does it require attributes outside of his experience/knowledge?
Just wondering