New chairman and Lerner ramblings

[ciggiesnbeer]

Thanks for the responses. It doesn't change my mind (I am sadly out of trust for this board and Randy) but I do appreciate those fellow fans who give them the benefit of the doubt this window. I just don't, they need to show me now.

[Clampy]

Thanks for the responses. It doesn't change my mind (I am sadly out of trust for this board and Randy) but I do appreciate those fellow fans who give them the benefit of the doubt this window. I just don't, they need to show me now.

I understand the frustrations to be honest. I thought we might have had one or two in by now but at the same time i'm not surprised we're finding it a bit tough to get people in. Whoever comes in needs to make a difference otherwise there's no point.

[kippaxvilla2]

Can't link right now but Hollis says Lerner won't be selling Villa until he's sorted us out and is ''pretty passionate'' about us. Yeah Ok, he doesn't understand the meaning of the word passion then, anyway as we suspected Lerner is currently not a motivated seller at all because he knows he wouldn't be offered anything like the price he wants for us.

In other words he can't find a buyer for his inflated price.

At £150 million, I think we're cheap.

So something he paid 66million for 6 years ago which was pre-city and pre fair play, that has been run into the ground, about to get relegated with a squad full of misfits and under achievers is now cheap at 150million. I would like to sell at your prices and buy at mine.

The revenue streams have massively increased in the meantime.

In the PL.

He has tried to sell it whilst we've been a premiership club.

Exactly and why it is worth so much less now.

What is it worth now? Any idea?

Based on a multiple of EBITDA, not much.  But this is football, God knows how it's valued.

[SheffieldVillain]

Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him.

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It's true, they (Villa) are among the teams seeking me,' Debuchy told L'Equipe

Why do you think he would say such a thing if we hadn't tried?

I wasn't aware that he had said that. But even that doesn't imply we've made any firm attempt to sign him.

Here's another three for you, including a player's chairman confirming the offer and a player confirming an offer.

Lamine Sane
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-talks-land-7174523
"Bordeaux's chairman Jean-Louis Triaud has confirmed the Ligue One club are in talks with the rock-bottom Villans about a deal for Sane."

Lovre Kalinic
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-closing-croatian-goalkeeper-10759809

Daniel Congre
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/13/daniel-congre-admits-aston-villa-contact-makes-decision-about-hi/

While it's annoying that we haven't got anyone in yet, to suggest that we're not trying is quite obviously untrue.

[Chris Harte]

So just because he's not here, it means we haven't tried to sign him? Ok, clear as mud.

That's not what I said, and you know it.

The fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we've tried to sign anyone.
Equally, the fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we haven't tried to sign anyone.

I sincerely hope we have been active in making firm bids to bring people in but I'm still waiting for the proof. That'll no doubt arrive or not by the transfer window.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Thanks for the responses. It doesn't change my mind (I am sadly out of trust for this board and Randy) but I do appreciate those fellow fans who give them the benefit of the doubt this window. I just don't, they need to show me now.

I understand the frustrations to be honest. I thought we might have had one or two in by now but at the same time i'm not surprised we're finding it a bit tough to get people in. Whoever comes in needs to make a difference otherwise there's no point.

Aye.

[Dave]

Garde saying to Debuchy "fancy playing for me" doesn't necessarily constitute us trying to sign him.

'

It's true, they (Villa) are among the teams seeking me,' Debuchy told L'Equipe

Why do you think he would say such a thing if we hadn't tried?

I wasn't aware that he had said that. But even that doesn't imply we've made any firm attempt to sign him.

You're right, when a player comes out and says "team x want to sign me", the logical conclusion is to assume that team x hasn't tried to sign him.

[Chris Harte]

Okay Sheffield, that looks a bit less vague than the evidence I was being offered before.

[Clampy]

So just because he's not here, it means we haven't tried to sign him? Ok, clear as mud.

That's not what I said, and you know it.

The fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we've tried to sign anyone.
Equally, the fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we haven't tried to sign anyone.

That's it exactly. We don't know anything other than links. For all we know, players may have turned us down. At the same time, we may not have tried at all but it does seem that we have with Debuchy. If no-one comes in at all, it won't automatically mean we haven't tried.

[andyh]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending

This makes utterly depressing reading.
The austerity drive looks like continuing with no let up.
We appear to be lurching from 1 crisis to the next, and there is obvioulsy no comprehension that BETTER players cost decent money.
I fear the club really has accepted relegation, and think that will 'reset' us financially.

It's all just so fucking depressing.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending

This makes utterly depressing reading.
The austerity drive looks like continuing with no let up.
We appear to be lurching from 1 crisis to the next, and there is obvioulsy no comprehension that BETTER players cost decent money.
I fear the club really has accepted relegation, and think that will 'reset' us financially.

It's all just so fucking depressing.

where did the 60 million come from?

[andyh]

Indeed, and it reads like we spent £60m with nothing coming back in.

[bertlambshank]

So just because he's not here, it means we haven't tried to sign him? Ok, clear as mud.

That's not what I said, and you know it.

The fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we've tried to sign anyone.
Equally, the fact it's not plastered all over the news does not mean we haven't tried to sign anyone.

That's it exactly. We don't know anything other than links. For all we know, players may have turned us down. At the same time, we may not have tried at all but it does seem that we have with Debuchy. If no-one comes in at all, it won't automatically mean we haven't tried.

I get the feeling it's the way we ask.We have been far too nice a club for too long.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

it was under ten in real terms wasnt it?

hardly inspiring reading though

[Ian.]

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10138626/aston-villa-chairman-steve-hollis-frustrated-at-summer-spending

This makes utterly depressing reading.
The austerity drive looks like continuing with no let up.
We appear to be lurching from 1 crisis to the next, and there is obvioulsy no comprehension that BETTER players cost decent money.
I fear the club really has accepted relegation, and think that will 'reset' us financially.

It's all just so fucking depressing.

I actually agree with the Chairman. We need to fix everything from within and sort ourselves out. We have spent money but not wisely for years. Wrong players, wrong contract extensions at the wrong time and so on.

It does not rule out future spending and It suggests Remi can rebuild. I actaully would take more positives from that article than negatives.

Finally it seems to me they have people involved who can see we're in a mess and quick fixes do not work and they will work at putting it all right.