New chairman and Lerner ramblings

[ChicagoLion]

Supports Man City doesn't he?

I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.

it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.

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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.

Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring? 

[Martin Wadsworth]

He nearly had me fooled with his bullshit. What a pity that the whole board have given up on staying in this division. I can just see them all in that boardroom, sucking Fox's Glacier Mints and sticking flipcharts on the wall. Total business bullshit speak.

[Bad English]

Hollis sounds like a portmanteau of Houllier and Ellis. Gawd 'elp us!

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How low have we sunk and such like.

[ChicagoLion]

Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.

Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?

I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.

[paul_e]

He nearly had me fooled with his bullshit. What a pity that the whole board have given up on staying in this division. I can just see them all in that boardroom, sucking Fox's Glacier Mints and sticking flipcharts on the wall. Total business bullshit speak.

and yet if they'd come out with "we believe that we have every chance of staying in the premier league and progressing" there'd have been loads of comments about them not knowing anything about the game and randy probably not knowing what relegation is, etc.

[Martin Wadsworth]

Supports Man City doesn't he?

I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.

it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.

Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.

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Pretty uninspiring appointment, another accountant.
Described as Dull.

Who gets a hard on over corporate restructuring?

I do, it can be pretty exciting.
If you want to change the culture of an organisation you do not send for an accountant.
Its a bit like calling a plumber when your house is on fire.

You don't get excited when the Villa win, but corporate governance does it for you?

Jesus wouldn't have wept, he'd have just shook his head in quiet disbelief.

[Martin Wadsworth]

He nearly had me fooled with his bullshit. What a pity that the whole board have given up on staying in this division. I can just see them all in that boardroom, sucking Fox's Glacier Mints and sticking flipcharts on the wall. Total business bullshit speak.

and yet if they'd come out with "we believe that we have every chance of staying in the premier league and progressing" there'd have been loads of comments about them not knowing anything about the game and randy probably not knowing what relegation is, etc.

Maybe they would. They know nothing about the game whatever they say.

[dave.woodhall]

Supports Man City doesn't he?

I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.

it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.

Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.

We now have four (or maybe five) directors. It's hardly a crowd.

[Martin Wadsworth]

Supports Man City doesn't he?

I think one of our most significant problems has been Lerner inattention with his hand on the tiller. With his complete detachment from any sort of control and with a person who seems to want to deliver the systemic cleanse the club needs to rid the rotten core, be that an attitude of complacency or whatever the case may be, may well be the shot in the arm the club needs long term.

it is just as likely to be a complete disaster.
I can't see anything in this guys background to believe this is anything but a caretaker situation.

Let's cut out the sandwiches at half time, continue to employ N'Zogbia and Gabby, then appoint another leech. That should balance the books. Might need to buy a new boardroom table so that we can get all this crowd around it.

We now have four (or maybe five) directors. It's hardly a crowd.

There appear to be several people sharing the job that Paul Faulkner did.

[kippaxvilla2]

2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.

Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.

I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.

What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?

The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing

It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there.  I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.

I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.

On the first point au contraire - I am of the firm belief that Saturdays shenanigans expedited the announcement and that is what I was referring to.  I reckon he would have been looking at things for time immemorial if things hadn't come to a head - and this was further enhanced by poor Remi's second almost plea for a statement, two weeks after asking for one in the first place.

With regard to your second point, there is a big PR play to be had at the very least.  We the fans have been watching absolute shit, dross, lack of ambition, lack of application on the football pitch for 5 years.  All we wanted to hear was something about getting the team back to the upper echelons of British football you know that sort of ambitious type thinking that you want to hear as a football fan - granted we know all what he says in public has to go on in the background to run as a proper business.  But at least try and give us something to get excited about in an opening statement?

As regards the 3rd point, if you seriously think he hasn't already stepped back in the last five years then I have no idea how to answer this point.

[Martin Wadsworth]

2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.

Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.

I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.

What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?

The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing

It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there.  I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.

I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.

2. It's a bit rich of Lerner to talk about failure in the last five years when watching it happen and leaving it the point of absolutely no return and fans getting into public confrontations with players before doing anything about it.

Not true, this has been arranged for at least 6 weeks, the original statement makes that clear, the timing is a coincidence and nothing more.

I really hope this guy succeeds but there is a lot of corporate speak about 'phases, shake ups, troubled organisations etc and precious little about how we are actually going to improve our lot on the pitch and given Randys appalling record regarding appointments I'm still nervous about what will happen next.

What would you expect a guy who outright states he's not a football man to say in this regard?

The fact that Lerner is stepping back further (is this possible) is a good thing

It's not so much stepping back, it's more replacing the need to hunt him down to ask about finances with walking down the corridor to speak to Hollis instead, that's my view, Hollis will have an overall budget and he'll have total control from there.  I suspect the only involvement from Lerner now will be regarding a buyout and an annual review, which is fine, we need to remove the complexity that is him having to be involved and not wanting to be.

I agree that a football man on the board would be a good idea and I like the idea of Brian Little being the choice for that, hopefully something will come of that pretty quickly.

On the first point au contraire - I am of the firm belief that Saturdays shenanigans expedited the announcement and that is what I was referring to.  I reckon he would have been looking at things for time immemorial if things hadn't come to a head - and this was further enhanced by poor Remi's second almost plea for a statement, two weeks after asking for one in the first place.

With regard to your second point, there is a big PR play to be had at the very least.  We the fans have been watching absolute shit, dross, lack of ambition, lack of application on the football pitch for 5 years.  All we wanted to hear was something about getting the team back to the upper echelons of British football you know that sort of ambitious type thinking that you want to hear as a football fan - granted we know all what he says in public has to go on in the background to run as a proper business.  But at least try and give us something to get excited about in an opening statement?

As regards the 3rd point, if you seriously think he hasn't already stepped back in the last five years then I have no idea how to answer this point.

Agreed.

[kippaxvilla2]

Hollis sounds like a portmanteau of Houllier and Ellis. Gawd 'elp us!

I was going to say 'Welcome back Mark Ansell.'  But, no, I want to give him a chance honestly I really do.