Wycombe Wanderers v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[paul_e]

I can't believe so many people on here are so adamant that it was a definite penalty, if you watch it he didn't even look at the player until he'd jumped, if you give that you could honestly give 3-4 every game.  The only thing that differentiates it from 90% of aerial challenges from long balls is that they were facing each other. When you add the fact that we didn't get the penalty in the first half and it's clear that the ref had a big hand in turning the game around.  That's not excusing the performance or making excuses, it's just pointing out that we were on the wrong end of 2 poor penalty decisions which could completely changed the game.

[Mortimer's Bear]

I can't believe so many people on here are so adamant that it was a definite penalty, if you watch it he didn't even look at the player until he'd jumped, if you give that you could honestly give 3-4 every game.  The only thing that differentiates it from 90% of aerial challenges from long balls is that they were facing each other. When you add the fact that we didn't get the penalty in the first half and it's clear that the ref had a big hand in turning the game around.  That's not excusing the performance or making excuses, it's just pointing out that we were on the wrong end of 2 poor penalty decisions which could completely changed the game.

Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, therefore correct decision.

[richard moore]

I've seen footage of one player seeming to tell fans to fuck off. And footage of another player apparently giving fans the v sign. Rumours of a split dressing room and that the manager can't manage. A hierarchy that seems to consist of over-promoted barrow boys and number crunchers. A board member that seizes every chance to make both himself and the club look clueless in the media. And an owner who doesn't bother to turn up unless there's a chance to sit somewhere near royalty.

Still there are positives. We now know that we can give fourth division sides a run for their money.

But he's such a nice man you know Mr Lerner, he's just trying to do the right thing by us, don't you understand that? Because I sure as hell f*****g don't

[steamer]

Gestede was dreadful, I can not understand why he stayed on.
This must be the worst squad of crap players we have assembled since the 60,s.
I still think Garde needs a chance, with the Gill substitution, He had moved down the right and passed the ball to Richards, he in turn passed it into space but Gil had stopped running and the ball went no where.
Garde was apoplectic on the bench and threw his water bottle into the dug out in temper. Obviously a training ground plan Gil had forgotten about. He was then substituted.

He was hardly apoplectic.

It was the most animated I have seen him

[LukeJames]

Seeing all these videos on social media, this is going to turn poisonous I feel.

[dave.woodhall]

I've seen footage of one player seeming to tell fans to fuck off. And footage of another player apparently giving fans the v sign. Rumours of a split dressing room and that the manager can't manage. A hierarchy that seems to consist of over-promoted barrow boys and number crunchers. A board member that seizes every chance to make both himself and the club look clueless in the media. And an owner who doesn't bother to turn up unless there's a chance to sit somewhere near royalty.

Still there are positives. We now know that we can give fourth division sides a run for their money.

But he's such a nice man you know Mr Lerner, he's just trying to do the right thing by us, don't you understand that? Because I sure as hell f*****g don't

You come out with this sort of snide shit every week. Pack it in or you're banned. And variations of "Yes you're right" will see you going the same way.

[rougegorge]

I've seen footage of one player seeming to tell fans to fuck off. And footage of another player apparently giving fans the v sign. Rumours of a split dressing room and that the manager can't manage. A hierarchy that seems to consist of over-promoted barrow boys and number crunchers. A board member that seizes every chance to make both himself and the club look clueless in the media. And an owner who doesn't bother to turn up unless there's a chance to sit somewhere near royalty.

Still there are positives. We now know that we can give fourth division sides a run for their money.

Yes, unfortunately we didn't look out of place playing them.

Having witnessed the last 3 away games hoping for, or even daring to expect at least 2 wins, I know the players aren't good enough technically, physically or mentally; however personal abuse is not warranted.

They may be getting thousands a week and they should be doing a whole lot better, despite their obvious limitations,  but I think that given the horrendous run,  some individuals are bound to be psychologically affected by now.

Team selection doesn't help though. No Ayew nor Veretout and Gestede and Sinclair start up front. Garde perseveres with players that he must know are not up to it and he knows that we know that too, which just adds to the frustration and causes ever more vitriol from fans.

[Dante Lavelli]

I saw the final 30 minutes and I didn't think we were that bad.  Just lacking a bit of luck.

I'm blaming the pitch for the lack of the quality as neither team seemed to master it [is there a different rugby team playing there now that Wasps have left?]

[paul_e]

I can't believe so many people on here are so adamant that it was a definite penalty, if you watch it he didn't even look at the player until he'd jumped, if you give that you could honestly give 3-4 every game.  The only thing that differentiates it from 90% of aerial challenges from long balls is that they were facing each other. When you add the fact that we didn't get the penalty in the first half and it's clear that the ref had a big hand in turning the game around.  That's not excusing the performance or making excuses, it's just pointing out that we were on the wrong end of 2 poor penalty decisions which could completely changed the game.

Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, therefore correct decision.

That's the point, no it isn't, you see 1 player jump whilst the other stays on the floor a hell of a lot and it's very rarely given as a foul, even with light contact such as this case.  The problem is lots of fans don't like Westwood and this is another reason to slag him off so "he's an idiot and it's 100% a penalty".

[PeterWithesShin]

A lot of the time you'll get away with that challenge, but I can see why it was given, mainly because of the elbow.

[Meanwood Villa]

I can't believe so many people on here are so adamant that it was a definite penalty, if you watch it he didn't even look at the player until he'd jumped, if you give that you could honestly give 3-4 every game.  The only thing that differentiates it from 90% of aerial challenges from long balls is that they were facing each other. When you add the fact that we didn't get the penalty in the first half and it's clear that the ref had a big hand in turning the game around.  That's not excusing the performance or making excuses, it's just pointing out that we were on the wrong end of 2 poor penalty decisions which could completely changed the game.

Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, therefore correct decision.

That's the point, no it isn't, you see 1 player jump whilst the other stays on the floor a hell of a lot and it's very rarely given as a foul, even with light contact such as this case.  The problem is lots of fans don't like Westwood and this is another reason to slag him off so "he's an idiot and it's 100% a penalty".

It was a dodgy decision. It could just about be justified in super slow mo but it was incredibly soft. Having said which, we still should have won. Will we score more than one in a game with Remi in charge? Will it come before a win? Exciting times.

[Dan England]

Other teams such as Leicester/Everton/Southampton manage on relatively small budgets - the size of the wad should not be made an excuse for where we are today. 

It is the way in which the lack of funds are managed. 

Quite clearly there are non football men who have moved into Villa Park and have no idea whatsoever.

Alex Ferguson/Bill Shankly and Bertie Mee would not get us out of this rut.

Leicester are owned by Thai Billionaires that have a shed load of cash. Their bench is quite frequently worth 40-50m. They have spent 30m on strikers in the last couple of years but all that spoils the "plucky underdogs" narrative. Drives me nuts when people harp on about them being ran on a shoe string.

[paul_e]

I can't believe so many people on here are so adamant that it was a definite penalty, if you watch it he didn't even look at the player until he'd jumped, if you give that you could honestly give 3-4 every game.  The only thing that differentiates it from 90% of aerial challenges from long balls is that they were facing each other. When you add the fact that we didn't get the penalty in the first half and it's clear that the ref had a big hand in turning the game around.  That's not excusing the performance or making excuses, it's just pointing out that we were on the wrong end of 2 poor penalty decisions which could completely changed the game.

Anywhere else on the pitch it's a foul, therefore correct decision.

That's the point, no it isn't, you see 1 player jump whilst the other stays on the floor a hell of a lot and it's very rarely given as a foul, even with light contact such as this case.  The problem is lots of fans don't like Westwood and this is another reason to slag him off so "he's an idiot and it's 100% a penalty".

It was a dodgy decision. It could just about be justified in super slow mo but it was incredibly soft. Having said which, we still should have won. Will we score more than one in a game with Remi in charge? Will it come before a win? Exciting times.

Exactly my point, you can, at a stretch, understand it being given but it's one that if it goes against your team is never a foul and one that if it's not given for you is forgotten before the final whistle.

A lot of the time you'll get away with that challenge, but I can see why it was given, mainly because of the elbow.

Elbow is a bit much, hand softly to the face as he tried to turn out of the challenge and ensure he landed on his feet is closer to the mark.

[PeterWithesShin]

A minute in, it's more of a forearm but I can still why it's given.

https://vid.me/Jk6x

[bobcat]

I think we'll be okay in the replay as it'll be played on grass instead