AGM - Protest

[Durham58]

That's not the argument I was making though.

The argument is that it is undeniably shit right now, but for anyone wanting "anyone but Lerner" - be careful what you wish for because we can't afford another Lerner or worse. Not that that's what will eventually happen.

I agree with this and the other post. I love a good demonstration like the best of them. I spent my formative years getting a kicking by West Yorkshire and Nottingham police during the miners strike and still go to marches and demos when the mood takes me.

I cannot see other then he is hopeless at running a sports "franchise" what we can demonstrate about. He wants out, what we don't need is a sale at any price to some of the charlatans running clubs now. I have never had a doubt that Randy means well and having met him, he is a lovely guy he just makes the big decisions poorly consistently....

The decisions are bad because he's tried to do things on the cheap.

 Next season we need a decent manager and some decent players, these things cost money which Lerner has plenty of.

[Clampy]

That's not the argument I was making though.

The argument is that it is undeniably shit right now, but for anyone wanting "anyone but Lerner" - be careful what you wish for because we can't afford another Lerner or worse. Not that that's what will eventually happen.

I agree with this and the other post. I love a good demonstration like the best of them. I spent my formative years getting a kicking by West Yorkshire and Nottingham police during the miners strike and still go to marches and demos when the mood takes me.

I cannot see other then he is hopeless at running a sports "franchise" what we can demonstrate about. He wants out, what we don't need is a sale at any price to some of the charlatans running clubs now. I have never had a doubt that Randy means well and having met him, he is a lovely guy he just makes the big decisions poorly consistently....

The decisions are bad because he's tried to do things on the cheap.

 Next season we need a decent manager and some decent players, these things cost money which Lerner has plenty of.

Like I've said before, I wouldn't consider paying nearly £10m on a left back cheap.

[Villa in Denmark]

That's not the argument I was making though.

The argument is that it is undeniably shit right now, but for anyone wanting "anyone but Lerner" - be careful what you wish for because we can't afford another Lerner or worse. Not that that's what will eventually happen.

I agree with this and the other post. I love a good demonstration like the best of them. I spent my formative years getting a kicking by West Yorkshire and Nottingham police during the miners strike and still go to marches and demos when the mood takes me.

I cannot see other then he is hopeless at running a sports "franchise" what we can demonstrate about. He wants out, what we don't need is a sale at any price to some of the charlatans running clubs now. I have never had a doubt that Randy means well and having met him, he is a lovely guy he just makes the big decisions poorly consistently....

The decisions are bad because he's tried to do things on the cheap.

 Next season we need a decent manager and some decent players, these things cost money which Lerner has plenty of.

saunders_heroes mk II. Yawn.

[rob_bridge]

I wonder if we hadn't been so quick to dismiss Hughes what would have been. He's done a good job at Stoke and he might have got us stabilised during that first season after MON.

Agree totally. Every time the job has come up i hoped we'd get Hughes. I'm another who didn't want Lambert.

I'd have liked Hughes in 2011 - certainly ahead of the other options on offer. Even Martinez would have been a huge punt but I suppose the football would have been entertaining if not effective under him.

[rob_bridge]

Some things get confused with when we took on Houllier. That was the first time you knew they were out of their depth.

As I recall when Houllier was appointed, I am sure General Krulak said something along the lines of deliberately not going after someone already in a job as that automatically made their loyalties and commitment to the cause suspect. An admirably Corinthian policy but not ideal for running a football club in the 21st Century.

Yep. When faced with their first proper decision they invited postal applications and then decided on a "Premier League experience only" policy.

That pre-requisite has got to be the most ludicrous in the history of recruitment. Here are the manager's over the last 30 years who would have failed that test at various times:

1) Alex Ferguson
2) Arsene Wenger
3) Gerard Houiller
4) Mourinho
5) Ancelotti
6) Benitez
7) Pochetino
Martinez
9) Pellegrini
10) Klopp

whereas Peter Reid, Iain Dowie, Bryan Robson and whole hosts of mediocrity would have sufficed.

Currently Guardiola would not qualify. That is how fucking dumb that Pre-Requisite was?

It's like they thought, who's available? Yep him he used to be good so every tells us so get him. Prior Health Problems - no worries. Get someone into help him. Is he is assistant any good? So So - his last job was being an assistant in the league below and he wasn't very good but he was a really good footballer. Ok get him too then.

[rob_bridge]

There is a very good chance of us ending up being owned by a gambler or a chancer even asset strippers  if the price drops too low. So I think it's best that Lerner holds out for decent seller value that should mean a serious player buying us.

I agree - otherwise we are asking for serious trouble.

[rob_bridge]

That's not the argument I was making though.

The argument is that it is undeniably shit right now, but for anyone wanting "anyone but Lerner" - be careful what you wish for because we can't afford another Lerner or worse. Not that that's what will eventually happen.

I agree with this and the other post. I love a good demonstration like the best of them. I spent my formative years getting a kicking by West Yorkshire and Nottingham police during the miners strike and still go to marches and demos when the mood takes me.

I cannot see other then he is hopeless at running a sports "franchise" what we can demonstrate about. He wants out, what we don't need is a sale at any price to some of the charlatans running clubs now. I have never had a doubt that Randy means well and having met him, he is a lovely guy he just makes the big decisions poorly consistently....

The decisions are bad because he's tried to do things on the cheap.

 Next season we need a decent manager and some decent players, these things cost money which Lerner has plenty of.

Please can you advise of the total sum spent on wages on the playing side and how we compare to others in the league say over the last 2 years - leave out the promoted teams.

Then advise how much - total and % on top of that you would have deemed acceptable to spend on wages.

Oh and finally advise where this additional money would have came from bearing in mind the precarious state of the finances (on paper) of the club which precipitated the mess in the first place.

[AVH87]

That pre-requisite has got to be the most ludicrous in the history of recruitment. Here are the manager's over the last 30 years who would have failed that test at various times:

1) Alex Ferguson
2) Arsene Wenger
3) Gerard Houiller
4) Mourinho
5) Ancelotti
6) Benitez
7) Pochetino
Martinez
9) Pellegrini
10) Klopp

whereas Peter Reid, Iain Dowie, Bryan Robson and whole hosts of mediocrity would have sufficed.

Currently Guardiola would not qualify. That is how fucking dumb that Pre-Requisite was?

It's like they thought, who's available? Yep him he used to be good so every tells us so get him. Prior Health Problems - no worries. Get someone into help him. Is he is assistant any good? So So - his last job was being an assistant in the league below and he wasn't very good but he was a really good footballer. Ok get him too then.

The vast majority of those wouldn't have been attainable for us though at the points they came in to the Premier League. The kind of manager market we shop in means at times having PL experience is a plus, although it shouldn't have been as black and white as 'no PL experience, not under consideration'.

This season for example, Sunderland got Allardyce with PL experience and have a decent chance of staying up. We went with an unknown foreign gamble and have next to no chance.

[rob_bridge]

That pre-requisite has got to be the most ludicrous in the history of recruitment. Here are the manager's over the last 30 years who would have failed that test at various times:

1) Alex Ferguson
2) Arsene Wenger
3) Gerard Houiller
4) Mourinho
5) Ancelotti
6) Benitez
7) Pochetino
Martinez
9) Pellegrini
10) Klopp

whereas Peter Reid, Iain Dowie, Bryan Robson and whole hosts of mediocrity would have sufficed.

Currently Guardiola would not qualify. That is how fucking dumb that Pre-Requisite was?

It's like they thought, who's available? Yep him he used to be good so every tells us so get him. Prior Health Problems - no worries. Get someone into help him. Is he is assistant any good? So So - his last job was being an assistant in the league below and he wasn't very good but he was a really good footballer. Ok get him too then.

The vast majority of those wouldn't have been attainable for us though at the points they came in to the Premier League. The kind of manager market we shop in means at times having PL experience is a plus, although it shouldn't have been as black and white as 'no PL experience, not under consideration'.

This season for example, Sunderland got Allardyce with PL experience and have a decent chance of staying up. We went with an unknown foreign gamble and have next to no chance.

The must have Premiership experience was a deal breaker. Therefore it ruled out a whole swathe of potential candidates such as Pochetino, Koeman, Laudrup or those of that ilk could have been considered at that time in 2011.

It was a stupid pre-requisite. Utter fuckwittery and the alarm bells started ringing at the time.

As for Sunderland it remains to be seen if they stay up. I'm sure Sam could have a done a job in February 2011 to keep us up and again last season. Not sure we'd be any better this season though.

[AVH87]

That pre-requisite has got to be the most ludicrous in the history of recruitment. Here are the manager's over the last 30 years who would have failed that test at various times:

1) Alex Ferguson
2) Arsene Wenger
3) Gerard Houiller
4) Mourinho
5) Ancelotti
6) Benitez
7) Pochetino
Martinez
9) Pellegrini
10) Klopp

whereas Peter Reid, Iain Dowie, Bryan Robson and whole hosts of mediocrity would have sufficed.

Currently Guardiola would not qualify. That is how fucking dumb that Pre-Requisite was?

It's like they thought, who's available? Yep him he used to be good so every tells us so get him. Prior Health Problems - no worries. Get someone into help him. Is he is assistant any good? So So - his last job was being an assistant in the league below and he wasn't very good but he was a really good footballer. Ok get him too then.

The vast majority of those wouldn't have been attainable for us though at the points they came in to the Premier League. The kind of manager market we shop in means at times having PL experience is a plus, although it shouldn't have been as black and white as 'no PL experience, not under consideration'.

This season for example, Sunderland got Allardyce with PL experience and have a decent chance of staying up. We went with an unknown foreign gamble and have next to no chance.

The must have Premiership experience was a deal breaker. Therefore it ruled out a whole swathe of potential candidates such as Pochetino, Koeman, Laudrup or those of that ilk could have been considered at that time in 2011.

It was a stupid pre-requisite. Utter fuckwittery and the alarm bells started ringing at the time.

As for Sunderland it remains to be seen if they stay up. I'm sure Sam could have a done a job in February 2011 to keep us up and again last season. Not sure we'd be any better this season though.

Agreed as a strict pre-requisite it's silly. I can see why it may be seen as favourable, and a lower-risk appointment though.

It remains to be seen of course, but Big Sam has won 4 games compared to Garde 0 and hasn't been there much longer. I refuse to believe we wouldn't be better than 4 points from 9 games if Allardyce had come in, Sunderland are awful and have defenders like Brown, O'Shea and Van Aanholt in their ranks.

[andyh]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jun/02/parachute-payments-clubs-relegated-premier-league

[hvkfa1]

That's not the argument I was making though.

The argument is that it is undeniably shit right now, but for anyone wanting "anyone but Lerner" - be careful what you wish for because we can't afford another Lerner or worse. Not that that's what will eventually happen.

I agree with this and the other post. I love a good demonstration like the best of them. I spent my formative years getting a kicking by West Yorkshire and Nottingham police during the miners strike and still go to marches and demos when the mood takes me.

I cannot see other then he is hopeless at running a sports "franchise" what we can demonstrate about. He wants out, what we don't need is a sale at any price to some of the charlatans running clubs now. I have never had a doubt that Randy means well and having met him, he is a lovely guy he just makes the big decisions poorly consistently....

The decisions are bad because he's tried to do things on the cheap.

 Next season we need a decent manager and some decent players, these things cost money which Lerner has plenty of.

saunders_heroes mk II. Yawn.

I thought he made a valid point. Why rubbish the views of other posters?

[rob_bridge]

Then can he reply to my request with some finance based facts as Lerner having plenty of money (having spent 200m+ on our hobby) and I will be pleased to be illuminated by how much more he should have spent on Villa's Player transfer and more importantly wages above and beyond what has already been spent.

E.g. Heskey cost 3.5m in transfer and c£10m in wages. Given similar and c12m in wages.
E.g. CNZ cost 9.5m and will also cost £12-15m in wages.

And how this could be financed unless you allude that Lerner should have spent more and more. £100m more? £200m more? £300m more.

We all know what he did spend was oft spent unwisely but how much more should he spend.

[hvkfa1]

Then can he reply to my request with some finance based facts as Lerner having plenty of money (having spent 200m+ on our hobby) and I will be pleased to be illuminated by how much more he should have spent on Villa's Player transfer and more importantly wages above and beyond what has already been spent.

E.g. Heskey cost 3.5m in transfer and c£10m in wages. Given similar and c12m in wages.
E.g. CNZ cost 9.5m and will also cost £12-15m in wages.

And how this could be financed unless you allude that Lerner should have spent more and more. £100m more? £200m more? £300m more.

We all know what he did spend was oft spent unwisely but how much more should he spend.

It's his business that is in jeopardy and our club that is being progressively destroyed by him.
I can see no reason why supporters would care if he had to spend all his money getting us out of this mess. He has been a dreadful owner.

[Dave]

Then can he reply to my request with some finance based facts as Lerner having plenty of money (having spent 200m+ on our hobby) and I will be pleased to be illuminated by how much more he should have spent on Villa's Player transfer and more importantly wages above and beyond what has already been spent.

E.g. Heskey cost 3.5m in transfer and c£10m in wages. Given similar and c12m in wages.
E.g. CNZ cost 9.5m and will also cost £12-15m in wages.

And how this could be financed unless you allude that Lerner should have spent more and more. £100m more? £200m more? £300m more.

We all know what he did spend was oft spent unwisely but how much more should he spend.

It's his business that is in jeopardy and our club that is being progressively destroyed by him.
I can see no reason why supporters would care if he had to spend all his money getting us out of this mess. He has been a dreadful owner.

I'm sure they wouldn't.

But as he's not going to do that, what's the point of bringing it up?