Sunderland v Rock Bottom Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[aj2k77]

Garde was going absolutely ape shit at some of the mind numbingly stupid things we did second half. If he had a gun, Gestede would have been shot for failing to put Traore through, and then they score as a result.

Why was he left on all game?  He had no effect on the game other than in a negative sense.  It's not like he was powering in headers or getting flick ons for anybody else to run onto.  He's just utterly, utterly useless.

Why did we start the second half, again, behind and with the same team?

[Mossie Hennebry]

I reckon the players don't listen and are uncoachable. You can bring in Alex Ferguson, but if the players don't give a fuck, you're goosed.

[aj2k77]

Adama was a shining light. What gets me is how lazy most of the team are. We just never seem to close anyone down. Guzan is also a complete liability.

Paul, this is where half of the fucking deflections are coming from as well. Not closing players down properly so they are getting a chance to get their shots away whilst we shake a bloody leg at it. The same for crosses coming in from out wide, fight to keep the cross from ever coming in in the first place, we don't, they don't seem to realise that as a fullback it's part of their job to stop the crosses leaving the boot of the opposition.

[ChicagoLion]

Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.

Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?

We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.

I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.

Football wise, no difference.

I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.

Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half  and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?

I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.

Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)

And this was often the same under Sherwood and Lambert sometimes.

[Edvard Remberg]

Meh - Risso - We probably will not agree on this - but why should I listen to anything you say? You live on an island?

[saunders_heroes]

Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.

No decent manager would touch us with our wage/transfer budget.

[aj2k77]

He keeps playing Richards at centre half and Guzan at all, whatever understanding of football he has it's not as much as he believes because those two are garbage.

[saunders_heroes]

I reckon the players don't listen and are uncoachable. You can bring in Alex Ferguson, but if the players don't give a fuck, you're goosed.

Nonsense. Unless you think everyone of the players in our 6 consecutive relegation battles didn't listen and were uncoachable?

[glasses]

Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.

Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?

We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.

I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.

Football wise, no difference.

I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.

Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half  and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?

I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.

Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)

That's fair enough. I just struggle to get behind him so strongly as I personally can't find a reason to. The only reason I'm not the other way is that like you say, it's not his team. If after this month he's still not put a stamp on us then he'll be due much more stick.

I do wonder sometimes though (not personal) whether some fans just side with the fancy foreign names, players or managers because they 'must' be better than the boring british boys.

[The Situation]

Should of gone with Roberto Martinez like I said four years ago.

First post for nearly 3 years and it's an 'I told you so'.

There's actually a few other "told you so" posts I can try and find but I won't haha. Feels weird, forgot about this site. So much has been happening, one thing that has stayed the same is Villa are still terrible since I last posted.

Basically, as far as this season is concerned... Villa are down. I just accept it now so it won't be heartbreaking come May with our relegation party. Sherwood should of been given more time - he made mistakes by playing Gabby "zero brains" Agbinlahor, early in the season and we were only just narrowily losing games, but I believe he would of kickstarted things eventually.

[auntiesledd]

Edvard. You are vehemently behind Remi Garde, and say that you agree with, and can see what he is trying to do.

Can you elaborate what that is please, because it isnt evident anything has changed?

We are still making poor errors all over the pitch. Leaking goals. Not scoring with regularity. Not holding onto the ball with any sort of authority. Not showing battling qualities.

I'm not criticising Garde as such, but I can't make a case for him being any better for us currently than Sherwood, apart from he talks a better game, seems a nice bloke and hasn't slagged the club off in the press.

Football wise, no difference.

I have no feeling towards Garde good or bad to be honest. He's the fall guy.

Okey - this is difficult - but when we start games ,I see we are more balanced....then after 30 minutes we are fucked all over. Then we start second half  and later fucked all over. This for me signals poor material rather than bad managemet?

I think Remi understands football at a higher level. I might be wrong - but can't prove this (nor want to) - I just think that he has understanding of football as it is today.

Not trying to claim facts - just my feeling and opinion. (and everytime we fail, it is becaues stupid fucking idiots doing stupid stuff)

Earlier you stated that it's not down to anybody other than the players and their inability to perform to the required standard. If that's the case, who's responsible for getting them to play more effectively & to cut out their continual mistakes? And why do we get rid of any consistent talent we have & replace them with inexperienced dross? You don't blame the owner but continually offer your faith to a manager who is yet to secure his first win. I honestly don't have a clue where your coming from & how you reach the conclusions you do.

[ChicagoLion]

He keeps playing Richards at centre half and Guzan at all, whatever understanding of football he has it's not as much as he believes because those two are garbage.

and i think it had already been worked out that you can't play Gill and Jack at the same time, that Richardson Clark Hutton useless.

[Olof's Beard]

I am not sure Garde is totally blameless now. We repeatedly make the same mistakes, which was the case under Sherwood as well. That said, what can any manager say when players know that their potential replacements are just as bad or worse? And look at the 3rd goal, three players around the ball, all vastly experienced, two of them have won the league. To let them out so easily is pathetic.

Oh and why does Richards just walk back into the team? Okore and Lescott had looked good together, and we looked more confident defensively. Okore is twice the centre half Richards is, the first time might have had an element of misfortune but look where he is for the second goal. Ok, Lescott allows him to shoot and is culpable too but that can happen if you get isolated against a player like Defoe in your own box.

We aren't just being relegated, we are being roundly humiliated. It's so depressing. I am also sick of the lack of acknowledgement for the supporters from the board, manager and players. To spend so much money watching this shit without even roundly turning on the players and then only be mentioned in the 'supporters need to stick with us' sense is patronising in the extreme.

[Tayls_7]

I have felt bemused, frustrated, angry, numb and helpless watching Villa in recent times but never weepy before. Ridiculous really. The game was up ages past and the players, devoid of all confidence, beat themselves long before the opposition have to consider moving up from 2nd gear. Christ only knows what depths we may sink to? Our so called senior players have failed us utterly, with charlatans like N'Zogbia and Gabby stinking the club out. Cut the cancer out and maybe we can regroup sooner rather than later. This fetid stench of failure enveloping Aston Villa FC has to be festering somewhere.

[aj2k77]

He keeps playing Richards at centre half and Guzan at all, whatever understanding of football he has it's not as much as he believes because those two are garbage.

and i think it had already been worked out that you can't play Gill and Jack at the same time, that Richardson Clark Hutton useless.

Ye, he supposedly watched videos of all our matches before he joined. Yet to see any evidence of that. The only change he's made is pensioning off Agbonlahor after his 8 touch fiasco in front of him.