Quote from: cheltenhamlion on December 21, 2015, 06:41:27 PMThe high water mark came when he was told by Faulkner he would not sign off on signing Aiden McGeady from some Russian club for 2 reasons.Fairly trivial compared to the rest of it, but that bit's not right - McGeady only joined Spartak four days after O'Neill quit. He'd have been signing him from Celtic.
The high water mark came when he was told by Faulkner he would not sign off on signing Aiden McGeady from some Russian club for 2 reasons.
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2015, 06:48:34 PMQuote from: cheltenhamlion on December 21, 2015, 06:41:27 PMThe high water mark came when he was told by Faulkner he would not sign off on signing Aiden McGeady from some Russian club for 2 reasons.Fairly trivial compared to the rest of it, but that bit's not right - McGeady only joined Spartak four days after O'Neill quit. He'd have been signing him from Celtic. If that is all I fucked up from my recollection of 5 years ago I will live with it!
Quote from: cheltenhamlion on December 21, 2015, 06:41:27 PMWe haven't had one of these debates in a while! For my two penneth as to why he is the devil incarnate, then read on.A few points of order first though. What I post about his departure is based at least 90% in fact (others here can comment on the bona fides of my ITK info). In small part I have had to read between the lines but they are very much educated guesses based on what I do know to be fact.The time line of events started around the time Chelsea smashed us (by 7?). Anyhow, it was the third year and not long before his Wembley trips.Faulkner was in post by then and MON had kicked up a storm about it. He had seen off proper business types before and wasn't going to accept having to report to this fucker.The first questions had started to be asked about his lack of use of the expensively assembled squad he had and the players were getting pissed off by the lack of progress on the pitch, as well as annoyed by his archaic methods.That day broke the spirit in the team. An injured Milner forced to travel to the game at the 11th hour. Luke Young thrown in as a sacrificial lamb as he was pissed off at being questioned as to why we were playing anyone at right back but the one you spent £5m and £60k a week on. Shortly after, he announced his own bomb squad.You all know what happened on the Wembley visits. The season ends. Now this is where my first dig at the club comes. They knew it wasn't right but didn't have the bollocks to remove him. And so started the battle of Randy/Faulkner/MON.MON was convinced that he could keep the doors to the bank vault open if he could just get the annoying call centre bloke out of the way. It had always worked on the past with better qualified business types. But he misread Lerner and the fact he wanted shot of him. Therefore, Faulkner stays.The club put up what were perfectly reasonable requests of how he ought to approach the summer business, that couldn't possibly fall foul of a tribunal evidentially, but did so knowing he wouldn't stand for it and would likely jack it in at the end of season 4 when diminishing performance would start to damage brand MON.He had been a prickly fucker all of the pre season for what should have been year four. He realised he wasn't going to win with the chairman chucking another £30m in the mix without some being moved on and that Faulkner was sharing Lerner's position, rather than it being his own.The high water mark came when he was told by Faulkner he would not sign off on signing Aiden McGeady from some Russian club for 2 reasons.For one, we already have 2 England international wingers in the squad, and 2, you haven't shifted Luke Young, Davies etc as requested for the bank to open again.Man Citeh then pile in with a bid for Milner. Ireland plus the money for McGeady and another? Do the deal.But he didn't immediately get the money as he wanted to spend it on McGeady and had not come up with a good reason as to why he was a vital signing. At the 11th hour he tried again. Luke Young to Liverpool. Little fee but his wage was gone (Young decided against it and we found out at Walsall away when Percy and I were eavesdropping a Sky journo on the premise of a fag break outside the ground at half time).Young hasn't gone and you can't sign a player we don't need Martin. Randy will support you, but you have to explain who you want and why. I will be part of the discussion. Says Faulkner.MON knew the game was up. We won't do better than last year ever if I am asked to manage like everyone else. I can't have brand MON damaged. A last ditch meeting was arranged with just Randy so he could reconcile himself with what Faulkner was saying and get closure that Randy meant it. He did.And ten days later, for no good reason why that day should be the catalyst (other than Randy was half way home and would have to turn back Mid Atlantic) he jacks it in. 5 days before the season starts and spends the next year hitting out time and again at the club through his mates in the media. Like a cleverer version of Sherwood.Come the tribunal, it was very much "pay him off and finish this unedifying episode" rather than him having a winnable case.And with that burning his arse and fortune, Lerner gave up on being involved. Personally feeling brutalised and let down by a man he trusted.He has done himself no favours since and has plenty of accountability. But do not dare to defend that self serving, 4 eyed, snivelling, bottler in my presence. He is a malignant little bastard.I just wish you'd say what you think and stop sitting on the fence. 😉
We haven't had one of these debates in a while! For my two penneth as to why he is the devil incarnate, then read on.A few points of order first though. What I post about his departure is based at least 90% in fact (others here can comment on the bona fides of my ITK info). In small part I have had to read between the lines but they are very much educated guesses based on what I do know to be fact.The time line of events started around the time Chelsea smashed us (by 7?). Anyhow, it was the third year and not long before his Wembley trips.Faulkner was in post by then and MON had kicked up a storm about it. He had seen off proper business types before and wasn't going to accept having to report to this fucker.The first questions had started to be asked about his lack of use of the expensively assembled squad he had and the players were getting pissed off by the lack of progress on the pitch, as well as annoyed by his archaic methods.That day broke the spirit in the team. An injured Milner forced to travel to the game at the 11th hour. Luke Young thrown in as a sacrificial lamb as he was pissed off at being questioned as to why we were playing anyone at right back but the one you spent £5m and £60k a week on. Shortly after, he announced his own bomb squad.You all know what happened on the Wembley visits. The season ends. Now this is where my first dig at the club comes. They knew it wasn't right but didn't have the bollocks to remove him. And so started the battle of Randy/Faulkner/MON.MON was convinced that he could keep the doors to the bank vault open if he could just get the annoying call centre bloke out of the way. It had always worked on the past with better qualified business types. But he misread Lerner and the fact he wanted shot of him. Therefore, Faulkner stays.The club put up what were perfectly reasonable requests of how he ought to approach the summer business, that couldn't possibly fall foul of a tribunal evidentially, but did so knowing he wouldn't stand for it and would likely jack it in at the end of season 4 when diminishing performance would start to damage brand MON.He had been a prickly fucker all of the pre season for what should have been year four. He realised he wasn't going to win with the chairman chucking another £30m in the mix without some being moved on and that Faulkner was sharing Lerner's position, rather than it being his own.The high water mark came when he was told by Faulkner he would not sign off on signing Aiden McGeady from some Russian club for 2 reasons.For one, we already have 2 England international wingers in the squad, and 2, you haven't shifted Luke Young, Davies etc as requested for the bank to open again.Man Citeh then pile in with a bid for Milner. Ireland plus the money for McGeady and another? Do the deal.But he didn't immediately get the money as he wanted to spend it on McGeady and had not come up with a good reason as to why he was a vital signing. At the 11th hour he tried again. Luke Young to Liverpool. Little fee but his wage was gone (Young decided against it and we found out at Walsall away when Percy and I were eavesdropping a Sky journo on the premise of a fag break outside the ground at half time).Young hasn't gone and you can't sign a player we don't need Martin. Randy will support you, but you have to explain who you want and why. I will be part of the discussion. Says Faulkner.MON knew the game was up. We won't do better than last year ever if I am asked to manage like everyone else. I can't have brand MON damaged. A last ditch meeting was arranged with just Randy so he could reconcile himself with what Faulkner was saying and get closure that Randy meant it. He did.And ten days later, for no good reason why that day should be the catalyst (other than Randy was half way home and would have to turn back Mid Atlantic) he jacks it in. 5 days before the season starts and spends the next year hitting out time and again at the club through his mates in the media. Like a cleverer version of Sherwood.Come the tribunal, it was very much "pay him off and finish this unedifying episode" rather than him having a winnable case.And with that burning his arse and fortune, Lerner gave up on being involved. Personally feeling brutalised and let down by a man he trusted.He has done himself no favours since and has plenty of accountability. But do not dare to defend that self serving, 4 eyed, snivelling, bottler in my presence. He is a malignant little bastard.
Quote from: Dave on December 21, 2015, 06:48:34 PMQuote from: cheltenhamlion on December 21, 2015, 06:41:27 PMThe high water mark came when he was told by Faulkner he would not sign off on signing Aiden McGeady from some Russian club for 2 reasons.Fairly trivial compared to the rest of it, but that bit's not right - McGeady only joined Spartak four days after O'Neill quit. He'd have been signing him from Celtic.He signed for Spartak for 9m or so, a farcical fee given the individual involved.Thought MON wanted Keane and McGeady in that summer?
Thanks Cheltenham very enlightening. For me it damns Lerner more for not pulling the trigger when he knew it was all over with MON. Why try and manage out a man like him, who, whether you love or hate him, has a clear gift for wily self preservation. Why not just sack him, which in this scenario would be more straightforward and dignified and with less risk of long term fallout?I mean, if MON was being asked to justify purely football related decisions (why mcgeady not player X) by Faulkner and they knew he wouldn't tolerate it, then they were in a ridiculous situation. He shouldn't have still been in the position he was. Can you then blame MON if he reacts exactly the way they expect? And if they are trying to push him out why should he resign at a convenient time for them?On the last point, sorry but that does grind my gears. Am I to be sympathetic with a billionaire who abandons us to nosedive into the championship because he has his ego bruised by his one time ally? Sorry but grow a set, randy.
What are you going on about? Maybe you're not Very bright so I'll dumb it down for you. Randy Lerner was at Remi Gardes first match
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