Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters

[Holte L2]

Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!

Pardon?  Richards, Lescott, Gana, Gestede - all summer signings have been a disaster!

[Ormy Droid]

Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!
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Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!

Pardon?  Richards, Lescott, Gana, Gestede - all summer signings have been a disaster!

Richards, Lescott, Gestede were all Sherwood picks, not Reilly or Almstadts. And as for Gana, I wouldn't write him off just yet, he might actually still come good, first season and all that.

[rob_bridge]

Barton also suggested there is a case for Jack Grealish to be in the current England squad/team.

[Villa in Denmark]

Barton also suggested there is a case for Jack Grealish to be in the current England squad/team.

Conclusive proof (if any were needed) that he speaks utter bollocks.   He made more sense misappropriating French philosophers on Twitter

[brian green]

His fondness of French philosophers reminded me of the scene in The Shawshank Redemption when a book by Alexander Dumbarse was referred to.

[kippaxvilla2]

There is absolutely nothing in what he said in the programme last night that sounded utter bollocks to me.  I rarely listen to what he says and have very little time for him but what he said last night was close to the mark.

[Villa in Denmark]

I must confess  to not having listened to the programme but that my comment was more a  direct response to "There's a case for Grealish to be in the England squad".  Christ there's barely a case for him to be in our match day squad at the moment.

In addition
1.) He's got at least a 99% Billy Bollocks strike rate.
2.) If he's commenting on something that isn't pseudo-intellectual bullshit, he's usually paraphrasing someone else and not offering anything insightful.

[Clampy]

Did he ever make a grovelling apology to Burnley fans for slagging their club and town before joining them, for possibly the best deal he could get?

[auntiesledd]

Barton also suggested there is a case for Jack Grealish to be in the current England squad/team.

Conclusive proof (if any were needed) that he speaks utter bollocks.   He made more sense misappropriating French philosophers on Twitter

Yeah, but he does a crackin' French accent though.   

[tony scott]

The only positive from Joey was Acknowledging how us supporters are suffering.

[oldhill_avfc]

Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!

Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.

What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.

For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.

[Villa in Denmark]

Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!

Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.

What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.

For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.

Disagree.  In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.

The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.

Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.

It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now.  We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us.  It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.

[tomd2103]

Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!

Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.

What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.

For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.

Disagree.  In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.

The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.

Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.

It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now.  We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us.  It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.

Reading Sherwood's comments at the time, I think Delph's departure came somewhat as a surprise.  He probably went from planning to bring in a midfielder to compliment him, to having to entirely start from scratch.  I agree about management of the squad and reading Alex Ferguson's latest book, it is something he was very meticulous about.  I personally still think it boils down to the continuous process over an extended period of replacing the decent players we had with players of lesser quality.     

[conman]

Did he ever make a grovelling apology to Burnley fans for slagging their club and town before joining them, for possibly the best deal he could get?

he didnt slag their club and town for the best deal ,, but thats fine ,, say that if it fits your agenda

[oldhill_avfc]

Driving tonight and put 5 live on and I thought "who's this Scouse bloke talking about us?" Turns out it was Joey Barton. For what it's worth I thought he made some good fair points. Especially the bit where he says the club is being run by 'muppets'

Pat Murphy also on and as a favourite son of this parish couldn't help but do his 'quite pleased with himself, Midlands BBC reporter Randy won't speak to me routine'

Link here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03dlnpv

While I hate to use the phrase 'false narrative', when will the media get past Sherwood's version of their 'truth'. The business we did over the summer is not the problem, Ayew, Veretout, Amavi (when he was fit), and Traore (though only fitfully) have been the only bright sparks throughout the entire season.

We're going down because of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richardson, Richards, Hutton, Sanchez, Agbonlahor, N'Zogbia, Cole, Senderos, and all the other useless suspects. You can't blame Reilly and Almstadt for the fact that the rest of the squad weren't good enough in the first place, only Randy.

Fox is obviously a buffoon in CEO's clothing, overpaid, over-promoted and over here...And since when did Nigel Pearson become the fucking messiah!

Ayew et al may not be as bad Gabby and N'Zog and the others you mention, but the facts are that they are not making up for losing Benteke, Delph, Cleverley and Vlaar.

What should have happened over the summer was to bring in a few prospects to replace the ones we knew weren't good enough and adequately replace the quality players we lost.

For that reason the business we did over over the summer is definitely why we're going down.

Disagree.  In terms of numbers, we probably brought in as many as we could, with a reasonable mix of expected starters / back-up and development players.

The problem stems from (as ever) not looking any further forward than the next transfer window and not having sensible succession planning / squad development over the previous 18 months.

Especially with the Delph situation there was no excuse for not having someone in the squad who could have been broken in comparatively gently last season so he was pretty much good to go this season, or a least share the load with Guaye.

It's been another recurring theme from day 1 of Lerner's tenure and something the likes of paul_e have been banging on about for years now.  We've been appalling at managing and developing the squad so that, as far as possible, we turn players over at a time and pace that suits us.  It prevents wholesale changes to the matchday squad and gives us maximum return on players that are moving on.

I see where you're coming from regarding several years of not adequately developing the squad rather than blaming it solely on a single transfer window.

However, once it became apparent that the best players were leaving, it was suicide to expect to rely on unknowns and the known not good enoughs.   We needed a high quality striker, a high quality central midfielder and a high quality central defender plus potential upgrades in other areas.

Vertout and Gana should have been replacements for Shanchez and Westwood - not Delph and Cleverley.

Ayew should be playing alongside a top class striker not alongside Gestede.

Your argument is that this should have been done ages ago - I agree.  But to let it go on for another season is undefendable.