Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters

[Chris Harte]

Even if we were top of the league and flying, he'd maybe not spend time over here either, but then no-one would care too much.

Which is the point I made further up the last page where I quoted Jon.

[auntiesledd]

How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?

Can you see them from the ISS?

I don't suppose it matters how visible they are (I had to Google Lewis) as long as they're doing well.

If their on-pitch luck changed then it might become an issue.

If he turned up to every defeat would people suddenly be happy? Of course not.

It doesn't matter where in the world he is as long as he has employed competent people to make sure we're run properly.

Which is the problem, not whether he chooses to live in Sutton Coldfield or New York.

Spot-on Dave, but I personally think it would be additionally beneficial to us all if he could find a way of communicating with the folk who also love this club & give us all a modicum of confidence in these retched times. Sadly, it doesn't appear to be an intrinsic part of his MO though...   

[auntiesledd]

Even if we were top of the league and flying, he'd maybe not spend time over here either, but then no-one would care too much.

It would be an absolute pleasure to test your theory out!   

[Dave]

I personally think it would be additionally beneficial to us all if he could find a way of communicating with the folk who also love this club & give us all a modicum of confidence in these retched times

I don't really see what good it would do.

Let's say that on Monday morning there's a long message from Lerner on the official site basically saying "yes, we've massively screwed up over the last ten years or so, made some horrendous decisions, we apologise to the supporters and we're doing what we can to put it right. Shummanite over and out", it would be greeted with some people indifferent, some people shouting "don't tell me, show me" and some people shouting that he's not spending enough money.

I don't think that there's much he can say that will make people any more or less confident than they are already.

[ChicagoLion]

Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?

I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.

If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.

And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.

If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.

But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.

There were no buyers at the price he was asking, so he thought he could just bumble along until the right buyer turned up investing what he thought was the minimum amount to survive. His plan backfired because he can not be bothered enough to take a real interest.
As I keep asking, please let's have a list of his achievements other than inheriting a fortune.

[Dave]

As I keep asking, please let's have a list of his achievements other than inheriting a fortune.

Why do you keep asking people for that? You could probably look it up on Wikipedia as well as anybody else.

I'm not sure what point it would prove though.

[ChicagoLion]

As I keep asking, please let's have a list of his achievements other than inheriting a fortune.

Why do you keep asking people for that? You could probably look it up on Wikipedia as well as anybody else.

I'm not sure what point it would prove though.

The point is that despite the fact that Lerners mis-management of this club has bought us to this position there are still people trying to defend him.
They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.

[Dave]

They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.

Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?

[AVH87]

I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late - Lerner out' at Newcastle away last season).

[ChicagoLion]

They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.

Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?

Well I can not find any other explanation for people's continued defence of him.

[auntiesledd]

I personally think it would be additionally beneficial to us all if he could find a way of communicating with the folk who also love this club & give us all a modicum of confidence in these retched times

I don't really see what good it would do.

Let's say that on Monday morning there's a long message from Lerner on the official site basically saying "yes, we've massively screwed up over the last ten years or so, made some horrendous decisions, we apologise to the supporters and we're doing what we can to put it right. Shummanite over and out", it would be greeted with some people indifferent, some people shouting "don't tell me, show me" and some people shouting that he's not spending enough money.

I don't think that there's much he can say that will make people any more or less confident than they are already.

You could well be right, but I'd like to see your assertions put to the test. Perhaps I'm guilty of a lack of acceptance of the facts, but I just can't handle standing (or sitting) by, powerlessly viewing the demise of our football club. I reckon I could do with a virtual hug.

[Dave]

They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.

Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?

Well I can not find any other explanation for people's continued defence of him.

Again, where is this 'continued defence'?

I'm pretty sure you'll have to go back years to find a post suggesting that his running of the club has been anything other than rubbish.

[dave.woodhall]

I think we should have protested more against Lerner, and should do more in the future. He is 'trying' to sell, or has been, but not hard enough. He thought he could sit pretty with us as a PL club until the right buyer for him came along (i.e. met his asking price), when in reality we'd have been better off if he'd sold it for a bit less. There isn't loads we can do but at the very least we need to make our feelings clear, anti-Lerner chants, banners (only one I've seen was the 'too little, too late' at Newcastle away last season).

And what good would it do? Is he suddenly going to think, "Hmmm, someone's scrawled Lerner Out on a sheet and they're saying rude words about me. I'll knock fifty million off the price"?

[ChicagoLion]

They think that because he is rich that there is some level of competency which is obviously not the case.

Would you care to quote any post which backs up this rather absurd claim?

Well I can not find any other explanation for people's continued defence of him.

Again, where is this 'continued defence'?

I'm pretty sure you'll have to go back years to find a post suggesting that his running of the club has been anything other than rubbish.

You only have to look on this thread and the Randy Lerner thread to see these, I will bump them.

[ChicagoLion]

Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?

I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.

If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.

And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.

If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.

But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.

Here you go Dave.