Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters

[auntiesledd]

Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?

I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.

If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.

And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.

I'm glad that Randy does care so much about Villa. Imagine the shit we'd be in if he didn't......

You beat me to it, Chico. Aside from the predictable 'CEO justifies his position' BS from Fox in the interview, I uttered the biggest stream of industrial language when he (Fox) assured us that Lerner loves this club. No wonder we're fecked & heading for lower-league oblivion.   

[LTA]

LTA, I'm not engaging in a quotathon. He's complimented the supporters and repeatedly said the playing side hasn't been good enough. That isn't patronising. Randy being here or not isn't an issue. Have you noticed it is nearly 2016 and they can talk to or see Randy every day. It's not like he has to physically be at the club to influence or make decisions. What if actually does love the club and has just made a number of bad decisions? Does that make him not love it?

So why is Garde having to go to America to see the chairman for he can just chat on Skype?  Lerner owns the club and has a private jet.  Surely it's not asking too much for him to drag his arse over here instead of insisting everyone runs around for him.  How can he possibly have a grasp of what's happening here when he's not around to see for himself?

[Clampy]

Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?

I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.

If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.

And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.

If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.

But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.

[Chris Harte]

But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.

Maybe he can't. Flog it, that is.

[Clampy]

Caring for something means putting time, energy, thought and enthusiasm in to it. I'm surprised there still are people who are naïve enough to think Randy Lerner cares about Aston Villa. He threw some money at it for a couple of years and then basically pulled out, a step up from some of the terrible mercenary owners English football has had but way below the owners that have actually cared for their clubs.

Some money? £250m is an awful lot just to be called 'some'. If it suits your argument though.

[Clampy]

But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.

Maybe he can't. Flog it, that is.

Or maybe he hasn't had the right offer for him and the club, who knows.

[MarkM]

Caring for something means putting time, energy, thought and enthusiasm in to it. I'm surprised there still are people who are naïve enough to think Randy Lerner cares about Aston Villa. He threw some money at it for a couple of years and then basically pulled out, a step up from some of the terrible mercenary owners English football has had but way below the owners that have actually cared for their clubs.

Some money? £250m is an awful lot just to be called 'some'. If it suits your argument though.

I suppose the sum of £250m could be described as 'some money' dependent on how much you had to start with.

If I put a few grand into something that would be a huge amount for me, but would just be 'some money' to others.

[Jon Crofts]

How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?

Can you see them from the ISS?

[auntiesledd]

Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?

I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.

If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.

And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.

If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.

But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.

Perhaps he thinks that the wonderful re-structuring of late will ensure the club will storm back into the Premiershite: thus meaning he claws back some more of his clueless investment? He may well want out, but I can't see a queue of wannabe owners ever leaping at the chance to spend the money that Lerner wants for the club - particularly when they'de be purchasing a veritable basket-case. But really thereby lies the crux of the issue i.e. Villa supporters will never know what he's actually intending because he's never answerable to any of our ever-growing concerns.

[Chris Harte]

How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?

Can you see them from the ISS?

I don't suppose it matters how visible they are (I had to Google Lewis) as long as they're doing well.

If their on-pitch luck changed then it might become an issue.

[Clampy]

Or alternatively how bad were we in the 50s when you could talk person to person with the Chairman any market day by simply walking up to his fish stall in the Bull Ring?

I think that a pre requisite for success is that the owner has to give a shit, only after that can competance come into play.
See my comment on the RL thread he does not give a shit.

If he didn't give a shit why did he reinvest the money we got for Benteke and Delph this summer? Surely if he didn't care he'd have just trousered it all to offset his losses.

And if he didn't give a shit, he would have sold the club earlier this year when he had the chance.

If you think this is Randy caring for the club I'd hate to think of the state of the Villa when and if you'd ever claim he didn't give a flying shite about us.

But I'm right though. If as people claim he 'doesn't give a shit', he'd have flogged it and got out.

Perhaps he thinks that the wonderful re-structuring of late will ensure the club will storm back into the Premiershite: thus meaning he claws back some more of his clueless investment? He may well want out, but I can't see a queue of wannabe owners ever leaping at the chance to spend the money that Lerner wants for the club - particularly when they'de be purchasing a veritable basket-case. But really thereby lies the crux of the issue i.e. Villa supporters will never know what he's actually intending because he's never answerable to any of our ever-growing concerns.

You call it 'clueless investment', some of which was wasted, but I presume you'd like him to cluelessly invest some more?

[auntiesledd]

I call it clueless, Clampy, because his investment & 'stewardship' over the last 5 years has taken us from top 6 finishes to dead-cert' relegation merchants. Had his approach been different from the off then perhaps we wouldn't be in this dreadfully depressing state now. Unfortunately I have zero confidence in his leadership skills and business acumen when it come to owning sports clubs & I can't see how Villa will ever prosper all the time our invisible owner hangs onto his ailing 'love'.

[Dave]

How visible is Sheik Mansoor or Joe Lewis?

Can you see them from the ISS?

I don't suppose it matters how visible they are (I had to Google Lewis) as long as they're doing well.

If their on-pitch luck changed then it might become an issue.

If he turned up to every defeat would people suddenly be happy? Of course not.

It doesn't matter where in the world he is as long as he has employed competent people to make sure we're run properly.

Which is the problem, not whether he chooses to live in Sutton Coldfield or New York.

[Chris Harte]

If he turned up to every defeat would people suddenly be happy? Of course not.

Of course not, but it would perhaps illustrate an interest. A visible indication that it is on his mind.

As opposed to the discarded toy of a child who prefers to play with the box it came in.

[Clampy]

Even if we were top of the league and flying, he'd maybe not spend time over here either, but then no-one would care too much.