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Offline Des Little

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #105 on: December 14, 2015, 10:58:58 PM »
I wouldn't give this recruitment team 20-30p to go down the shops, let alone £30m. Just imagine what they'll come up with next.

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #106 on: December 14, 2015, 11:47:10 PM »
Tom Fox ~ as reported by joe_c:

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The main topic of the meeting was that Tom Fox wished to clarify/rebut much of what has been reported in the press regarding the summer transfer window dealings. He was increasingly frustrated by repeated claims in the media that the transfer policy at Villa is conducted by a committee (a word he dislikes in this context). He explained the transfer process from identification to acquisition and that the manager has veto at all times at any point and that this structure exists for all clubs, not just Villa.

Alan Shearer ~ BBC:

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My old Blackburn team-mate Tim Sherwood was sacked at the end of October but was in charge at the time those players were brought in.

I know Tim well, and I know he knows what the Premier League is all about - all 13 of those players were not his buys.

So, as well as looking at how badly Villa are struggling on the pitch, you also need to look at who is signing their players in the first place.

Seems the chasm of credibility is still wide open.

This would be the same Alan Shearer on record as saying Villa fans didn't give Alex McLeish a chance because he came directly from that shower down the road, yes?

Offline alftitimus

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #107 on: December 15, 2015, 01:52:09 AM »
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Hmm, that's a difficult one. I know what you mean, but then again, these are the people who appointed Tim Sherwood from a shortlist of one.

That's ultimately what is going to get us relegated.

They were also the same people who dished out a new four year contract to Paul Lambert
after a reasonably good first four games of the season. There will be a lot of finger pointing when we go down, and they'll deserve an awful lot of it.

THANK YOU


Not made many posts, but everytime I do, I seem to get blathered. :)

OK...I didn't rate Tactics last season, and suffered the wrath of those who said he was the 'Messiah'.  THOSE people changed their opinion without missing a beat~~~football eh?

I hated Ray Wilkins, always have, and got equal abuse when I mentioned his "Sack-Record"...add us to that impressive list.

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What I meant earlier about dysfunctional management, is that from the incept of Randy and the General, we had a "Laissez-faire" ATTITUDE TO RESPONSIBILTY.

There seems, in retrospect, no guidelines of accountabilty imposed on Martin.

They were on Alex, more severley than on Paul, the next year..

It was really an amateur organisation of management controls. throughout ~ imo.

Lambert had 2 coaches sacked, beneath him ~ he accepted it. Was allowed to employ a guy as an Asst Coach months later, who just wanted a platform for 'Press Conferences" about his latest book....more journos at VP than in his back garden eh ?
Sanity here ? Management Control Here ?

So we got "Tactics Tim", a guy nobody outside the London meeja ever rated.

He was Messiah for a bit, like Lambert was to McLeish, but the ad-hoc, undetermined management ...remained.

Who Decides WHAT ?
Who STOPS this or that ?
WHO is empowered to make a decision on everything from seeds for a pitch to the next Thiery Henry ?

It's all casual. It's all left to the "professionals". And those 'pros' are rubbish.

Like Faulkner, like the General....ultimately like Randy Lerner.

There is a severe dysfunction in VP management~~imo.

Tom Fox is the latest.
Paddy can join him in a good pay-off I think.

Born at Arsenal, seeking Wenger's advice, these non-footie people think they've got the next Fabregas, the next Henry...all they are is another example of Randy's TOTAL lack of control and INTEREST in VILLA.

DYSFUNCTIONAL...and AMATEUR MANAGEMENT


It Starts At The Top~~ not through delegated blame-worthies.

Randy Lerner ....WIMP...INCOMPETENT..USELESS....... OK ?

Randy and his Macho General, never impressed me. It might have done to USA fans at Browns, don't work here.  We have brains.

The "Dysfunction" like an out-of-control-family, started with Lerner and his innocence with Matin ~ imo~ got tougher later, but still he laid down no controls until we have Fox and Sherwood both disputing their own roles.

THAT...is a breakdown in management communication, not just a PR trick.

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #108 on: December 15, 2015, 02:29:13 AM »
I think I remember you, alftitmus, from your purple paragraph headings.

You make some very good points there and if it turns out that I was part of the blathering I will very sad in my sack.

Offline Steve R

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #109 on: December 15, 2015, 02:45:18 AM »
There were eight attendees drawn from the assorted message boards, Lions Clubs and Aston Villa Supporters Trust.

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I assume that the reason for that was an expectation that whatever was disclosed was disseminated on to as wide a (Villa) audience as possible. Which makes one the spats earlier in this thread a little hard to understand but thank you for putting it here all the same.

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #110 on: December 15, 2015, 07:51:45 AM »
OK...I didn't rate Tactics last season, and suffered the wrath of those who said he was the 'Messiah'.  THOSE people changed their opinion without missing a beat~~~football eh?

You really do live in your own little world don't you?

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #111 on: December 15, 2015, 08:02:13 AM »
Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.

Soucrse close to... deny that any figure was mentioned.

If your source is Joe, which I imagine he was as he was sent from H&V has admitted he doesn't remember hearing a figure? The person that told me all the information I posted, which has seemed to be backed up by everyone else? Mentioned this maybe he happened to remember this and Joe didn't?

I don't recall any mention of specific funds either. When asked, he talked about Klopp arriving at Liverpool and saying he would coach them better. That was followed with a question about Houllier and our Bent shopping in the January. Fox categorically stated we wouldn't be doing anything like that.

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #112 on: December 15, 2015, 08:19:49 AM »
Fox suggested Garde would have £20-30m in Jan; if he wanted to spend it.

Soucrse close to... deny that any figure was mentioned.

If your source is Joe, which I imagine he was as he was sent from H&V has admitted he doesn't remember hearing a figure? The person that told me all the information I posted, which has seemed to be backed up by everyone else? Mentioned this maybe he happened to remember this and Joe didn't?

I don't recall any mention of specific funds either. When asked, he talked about Klopp arriving at Liverpool and saying he would coach them better. That was followed with a question about Houllier and our Bent shopping in the January. Fox categorically stated we wouldn't be doing anything like that.

Thinking back I seem to recall £30m being mentioned only in the context that such a sum wouldn't be lashed out on a single player a la Darren Bent, not as a potential amount we have to spend.

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #113 on: December 15, 2015, 01:29:31 PM »
Is it me or didn't TS not come out and thank the chairman for backin him in the transfer market?? If the players were not his then why did he do that?

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #114 on: December 15, 2015, 01:36:49 PM »
If any of the experienced players were actually playing really well and was being let down by the other players, then I might have agreed with some of this pundits. However not one of them has made me think why didn't we trust all of Tims selections and had Townsend and Adebayour as well. And no pundit / reporter seems to ever make that point.

For Townsend read Grealish. Promising few games. Much to prove
Lennon - can't remember a game he played in the last 3 years of any note whatsoever. Gabby Mk II
Adebayor - 100k a week and he'd be spending time in Africa for a month or two having scored 8 goals in his first 8 games, 5 of which were v Notts County.


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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #115 on: December 15, 2015, 01:48:30 PM »
Not to be crass but was there an acknowledgement/embarassment shown for the thing we live and die by - results on the field?

Do you think they are happy about that? What would you expect them to do? Apologize? They can't control what the players do or how they have played or that Kozak isn't picked etc. The meeting wasn't about that so what would bringing up the very obvious achieve?
 

It might provide a bit of harmony, a bit of comfort for the fans, something to show that the powers that be care or at least care that we care.

Even if it's lip service, at least saying something like ''We know that the results have been poor - we know that for a long time season ticket-holders haven't got value when it comes to results on the field - but we are working our arses off to support the manager and playing staff as best we can'' would be better than not saying it at all and it strikes me that a meeting with a small group of fans who clearly care a lot, would be the ideal opportunity. Otherwise it's a horrible elephant in the room.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2015, 01:50:22 PM by eamonn »

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #116 on: December 16, 2015, 10:53:07 PM »

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #117 on: December 16, 2015, 10:55:26 PM »

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #118 on: December 16, 2015, 10:57:44 PM »

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Re: Tom Fox's meeting with Supporters
« Reply #119 on: December 16, 2015, 11:01:08 PM »
https://audioboom.com/boos/3960001-tom-fox-talks-about-remi-garde-relegation-fears-new-chairman-and-more

This patronising plank really doesn't have a clue.

What do you expect him to say?

I certainly don't expect to hear him waffle on about how the commercial side.  I'd say 90% of fans couldn't care less.  As for Reilly being really important to Lerner, words fail me.

 


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