Tottenham vs Aston Villa Post-match thread

[Monty]

Again, this weird idea that good football and results are somehow incompatible. Where does it come from? Is it some Christian guilt thing or something? Our best players are suited to passing and the practical way to play is, therefore, passing. Gestede, not being one of our better players, has no say on the matter.

[Villa in Denmark]

I keep seeing people complimenting Gestede's performance last night, from anonymous bloggers all the way up to Gary Neville on Sky. I have no idea what they saw. The guy just lurched about chaotically as usual, and even worse his heading (the only reason for picking him) was terrible - his awful flick-ons found no Villa players, his shots were terrible, he never kept the ball when it came to him, he's too slow to press effectively and missed a really good chance to make it 2-2. If he's missing that chance, and not heading the ball to team-mates or holding it up, then what's the point of him being in the team?

Whilst Gestede is not one of our biggest problems, he's also not one of the answers to our problems. When he came on for the last 20 mins vs Man U I thought he looked hopeless. I gave him the benefit of the doubt but I've seen nothing since that suggests he is anything other than a big fucking lump with little or no footballing ability.

Who watched him & thought he could play in the premiership? At best he's an impact player off the bench.

Working on the basis that he was one of the few new signings to get regular game time, I'm going to guess our much lamented former manager and PFB (proper football bloke) Mr. Timothy Alan Sherwood.

Either that or someone from Sunderland recommended him, knowing that we'd both be in the shit this season and every little (dis)advantage counts.

[tomd2103]

Again, this weird idea that good football and results are somehow incompatible. Where foes it come from? Is it some Christian guilt thing or something? Our best players are suited to passing and the practical way to play is, therefore, passing. Gestede, not being one of our better players, has no say on the matter.

Agree with that.  Our best two periods results wise in the last five years (end of Lambert's first season and run up to and including West Ham under Sherwood last season) coincided with our best periods of passing football.

[purpletrousers]

I think it was Gil who led to the team looking better, not Gestede. I thought Spurs handled him with laughable ease for the most part.

I haven't read the thread, but, voice still croaky from last night, totally agree with this. What Gil offered compared to Grealish was light years ahead. And once Ayew got his goal his hunger and confidence ramped up.

There was the good BBC article about happiness and football on 'world happiness day' or something a few months back, about unexpected joys (fits with what I read of spoiled gooners leaving a cup final early and not even seeing the trophy lifted).

To have gone from those sucker punches at either end of the first half, to having a spell when the away end is literally bouncing with energy at the real possibility of scraping a point was actually joyous. I hope the sound/energy was well picked up in the coverage?

As painful as many bits of last night were, that was such a blast, it left me in a good mood.

In Rémi I sense a good, and wise man. I think the fight and support before and after that goal left some hope.

I'm guessing it's all been said earlier in the thread, but (apart from overdoing the taking the mick out of ourselves) I thought at least the fans did us proud, and I'm left with threads of hope...

[Steve kirk]

            Guzan
Hutton Okore Richards Amavi
Bacuna Gana Veretout Gil
        Sinclair  Ayew

Two up top with two wide players who can cross the ball and  two ball midfielders who can defend.
Amavi can overlap too so when Gil cuts inside amavi gets forward.
Grealish can come on for Gil or play with him replacing Bacuna gana or veretout if one of middle two
Bacuna can go play in middle if grealish or  an impact sub comes on . traroe can play on left or right.

Garde seems a 442 man but the alternate is playing with Rudy

           Guzan
Bacuna Richards okore amavi
 Veretout Gana Sanchez
Sinclair Gestede Ayew

Footyskillz you take a fair bit of stick on H@V so it warmed my heart reading fellow Villains praising you. UTV

[kippaxvilla2]

A point was made to me during last nights game.  Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick.  That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.

[PeterWithesShin]

A point was made to me during last nights game.  Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick.  That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.

That was 10 years ago when he was on loan as a 20 year old. A year or so later he was receiving a Premier League winner's medal.

[BC54 VFC]

Subversive is the only word to describe McDonald's team selection last night; he should be kicked out as there is clearly a clique which needs to be addressed quickly by Garde, with support from above. I honestly would not have made the trip if I'd have seen the line up before I caught the coach at VP at 3.00 p.m., not returning to Shrewsbury until 2.05 a.m. this morning.

[Holte L2]

Subversive is the only word to describe McDonald's team selection last night; he should be kicked out as there is clearly a clique which needs to be addressed quickly by Garde, with support from above. I honestly would not have made the trip if I'd have seen the line up before I caught the coach at VP at 3.00 p.m., not returning to Shrewsbury until 2.05 a.m. this morning.

I know the feeling.  I left Manchester at 11am. admittedly had lunch in Farringdon with the other half - who enjoyed her first away of the season.  But got back to Manchester at 2am.

[Holte L2]

Really hope we see the last of Gabby now!     
   

[Chris Jameson]

A point was made to me during last nights game.  Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick.  That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.

I don't understand how that says anything about us in recent times, David Beckham played for Preston North End in Division 3 and eight years later was playing alongside Zinedine Zidane for Real Madrid having won all there is to win with Manchester United in the meantime. I'm not saying Richardson is any good but it's a strange example to use.

[simon ward 50]

Errrrr..........

My only comment on the match!

[Villa in Denmark]

A point was made to me during last nights game.  Namely that seven years ago Richardson was playing alongside Geoff Horsfield at lowly Smethwick.  That he is anywhere near our first team now says a lot about us in recent times.

I don't understand how that says anything about us in recent times, David Beckham played for Preston North End in Division 3 and eight years later was playing alongside Zinedine Zidane for Real Madrid having won all there is to win with Manchester United in the meantime. I'm not saying Richardson is any good but it's a strange example to use.

Far more worrying would be the ability to equate Horsfield then and Gabby now in terms of their impact on a game.

[AVH87]

I'm not worrying too much about this game, we were led by someone who isn't a manager, like the other 10 games this season.