Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[saunders_heroes]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll. He's brought absolutely nothing to the job, just nothing. Get rid asap.

[Dante Lavelli]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyOtCCiwnY

God this makes me cringe.

I'm not sure what your youtube will link to next, but mine covers an interview between Pat Murphy and Pearson which is possibly worse than the Ostrich one.  I would not be surprised if there are a few journalists with a vendetta against him having watched these, which will make his next job that much harder.  That compounded by the local press' attitude towards Villa and the London media's indifference could be, well a complete clusterfuck.

[Ivo Stas]

I voted for Remi Garde to stay purely because I believe - and you can call it "Ivo's Law" - every manager should be given two seasons (or four transfer windows) to prove themselves. After that time they ought to have a team that can truly be called their own. Then simply see if an improvement has occurred (for instance in league position) and extend/sack accordingly.

Firing managers every twenty-five games gets us nowhere. So I wouldn't sack Garde but nor would I have sacked Sherwood. Nor McLeish. Not a popular view I'm sure, but building a team takes time. I would have sacked Lambert at the end of season two (shortly after Karsa and Culverhouse left) and I think in hindsight that would have been the best time. Remember that it took Ferguson something like four years of struggle at ManUre before his first team came together. Also didn't BFR go down with Sheff Wed before bouncing back, winning a cup and eloping to the Villa.

That said I fully sympathise with those who fear Garde is not the man to bring us straight back up, current performances being so uninspiring. But "Ivo's Law" says give him more time.

[pauliewalnuts]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

[ez]

I'd prefer Garde to stay as and be given a chance with some better players. I know people say he should get more out of the current team but i don't believe there is anything more to get out of them. They are dross and they've proved it over the whole season.

[SheffieldVillain]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyOtCCiwnY

God this makes me cringe.

I'm not sure what your youtube will link to next, but mine covers an interview between Pat Murphy and Pearson which is possibly worse than the Ostrich one.  I would not be surprised if there are a few journalists with a vendetta against him having watched these, which will make his next job that much harder.  That compounded by the local press' attitude towards Villa and the London media's indifference could be, well a complete clusterfuck.

I got that one too.

Then the one where he tells a fan to 'f*** off and die'. Then the one where he says there was nothing wrong with that.

Lovely man.

[saunders_heroes]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

I understand he's been shafted by the club and he has my sympathies there but I've not seen anything from him that suggests he's a decent manager who could do a job here. He didn't even give us 'new manager boost' which even Sherwood managed, and he lost brownie points when he lamented the players in training in public was amateurish at best.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

[pauliewalnuts]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hEyOtCCiwnY

God this makes me cringe.

I'm not sure what your youtube will link to next, but mine covers an interview between Pat Murphy and Pearson which is possibly worse than the Ostrich one.  I would not be surprised if there are a few journalists with a vendetta against him having watched these, which will make his next job that much harder.  That compounded by the local press' attitude towards Villa and the London media's indifference could be, well a complete clusterfuck.

I got that one too.

Then the one where he tells a fan to 'f*** off and die'. Then the one where he says there was nothing wrong with that.

Lovely man.

Pearson is a vile individual.

[TB]

I voted for Remi Garde to stay purely because I believe - and you can call it "Ivo's Law" - every manager should be given two seasons (or four transfer windows) to prove themselves. After that time they ought to have a team that can truly be called their own. Then simply see if an improvement has occurred (for instance in league position) and extend/sack accordingly.

Firing managers every twenty-five games gets us nowhere. So I wouldn't sack Garde but nor would I have sacked Sherwood. Nor McLeish. Not a popular view I'm sure, but building a team takes time. I would have sacked Lambert at the end of season two (shortly after Karsa and Culverhouse left) and I think in hindsight that would have been the best time. Remember that it took Ferguson something like four years of struggle at ManUre before his first team came together. Also didn't BFR go down with Sheff Wed before bouncing back, winning a cup and eloping to the Villa.

That said I fully sympathise with those who fear Garde is not the man to bring us straight back up, current performances being so uninspiring. But "Ivo's Law" says give him more time.

In principle, I agree with Ivo's Law. But just two points:
I) I'm not sure if the club are willing (or indeed able) to fund the team rebuild so desperately required in just two seasons. He has no chance to succeed with the current lot, as already proven. I don't think that's down to him, though.
II) I definitely would have sacked Sherwood (with hindsight: the moment he'd kept us up), Ivo's Law notwithstanding. When you're basically saying in public that you really don't have a clue, but will continue to experiment, you deserve to be sacked.

Garde might not be the future. Without major investment from the club, he won't be. Sherwood? Not a chance.

[peter w]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

I understand he's been shafted by the club and he has my sympathies there but I've not seen anything from him that suggests he's a decent manager who could do a job here. He didn't even give us 'new manager boost' which even Sherwood managed, and he lost brownie points when he lamented the players in training in public was amateurish at best.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

But we don't know he was shafted by the club do we? This is one thing that is rolled out by people who defend him, and I qualify this by saying that I sway from one day to the next going into both keep or sack camps, is that Garde was shafted, or that the club failed to back him, without a single shred of evidence.

Garde himself said that two of our targets - one I believe he thought was going to join (the Newcastle one?) - eventually went elsewhere because of our position. I have failed to see where the club really could have been held to blame for any lack of signings.

[passport1]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

[TB]

I believe he's first and foremost been shafted by some of the senior players. If the board commits to a major squad clearout, all well and good. If not, Villa needs another manager, and just hope he won't be shafted as well.

[Toronto Villa]

The goalposts moved on them supporting him in January. But then again the points gap went from 5 to 11 in the few months he was with us. Not defending what the club did but just pointing out there's two sides to the equation. My guess is if it was 5 points we'd have been more aggressive in pursuing certain targets. Garde has been seriously hindered by the circumstances at the club, and as he rightly points out the real issues predate him. But that said, he could have offered more and at times when the situation requires a fire extinguisher he added fuel.

[SheffieldVillain]

This is a results based business and his win rate is 13%. Not sure what more evidence anyone needs.

Oh well, if it's that simple, Tim Sherwood has a overall win ratio of 39% and Graham Taylor in his second spell 31.67%. So clearly Sherwood is a better manager.

Or maybe there are other factors to consider apart from just win ratio?

[paul_e]

Surprised by the support for Garde in the poll.

I understand why people don't feel they support him, but it's not really surprising plenty do, surely?

There are definite some pretty significant mitigating factors at play - the cuntiest selection of unarsed players we've ever had, the total failure to back him in January, the entire club giving up as early as they possibly could, the shit situation he inherited when he came, not getting to buy a single player of his own.

Not asking you to agree with those, because I know you don't, but surely it's not that hard to understand that some people will feel that even when you balance those against the admittedly shit results, and throw in the tendency of this club to appoint awful fucking managers, Garde is worth persevering with.

I understand he's been shafted by the club and he has my sympathies there but I've not seen anything from him that suggests he's a decent manager who could do a job here. He didn't even give us 'new manager boost' which even Sherwood managed, and he lost brownie points when he lamented the players in training in public was amateurish at best.
The sooner he's gone the better, for me. Not impressed from day one.

But we don't know he was shafted by the club do we? This is one thing that is rolled out by people who defend him, and I qualify this by saying that I sway from one day to the next going into both keep or sack camps, is that Garde was shafted, or that the club failed to back him, without a single shred of evidence.

Garde himself said that two of our targets - one I believe he thought was going to join (the Newcastle one?) - eventually went elsewhere because of our position. I have failed to see where the club really could have been held to blame for any lack of signings.

I defend him but I'm with you in thinking that the club and him did what they could in January but we were just in too tough a spot.  I back him because: 1. I don't see the point in sacking him now and having a caretaker until the summer, if they have a replacement in mind and he's willing and able to join now then fair enough but otherwise it's pointless and 2. I don't want us to become a club that jumps from manager to manager after 20-30 games.  Sherwood had a summer to get the team fit, playing to his style and to fill out the squad as he wanted to.  He failed on all 3 fronts and deserved to go.  I'd prefer to see Garde get that same chance, if he wants it.  This is based on nothing more than pure hope that the man we see in interviews can back up that calm, intelligent demeanour with a team that plays calm, intelligent football, or simpler still, I like him and want him be the manager I think he can be.