Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[boozey182]

One of the best arguments to keep Remi that I can come up with is that he seems to have already identified the players we need to get rid of. The idea of a bunch of them getting a clean slate with a manager is soul destroying. Of course, the counter argument to that is that we might not be able to shift them under Remi or anyone else, so do we get a manager to make the most of our players, rather than getting in the players to make the most of the manager... One would be considerably cheaper than the other, but not the best option in the long term.

I really like Remi, but I'll admit to being slightly disillusioned with him. I wanted him to be a bit more adventurous and our football to be more exciting, and hoped he'd be able to get it out of these players. He hasn't, and he needs to take responsibility for that. Enough to lose his job though? I don't think so. I'd still like to see what he can do with some of his own signings, a full pre season (a much better time to get you players fit than the middle of November), and maybe even a couple of members of staff.

If our current board was about to hire him, I'd be really excited.

[gpbarr]

It also sits very badly with me.  My metaphor that the mechanic will be sent packing and the man with a big hammer and a can of Easy Start sent for is, I admit, simplistic but in essence true.

We either accept that the whole Villa machine is broken or we don't.  I believe it is broken.  This calamitous season has been coming for the last five years. It is not something that has suddenly happened that can be fixed by a Nigel Pearson character grabbing players by the throat or managerial methods of the same style.

The team needs to be rebuilt totally.  Stupid long term contracts with players of negative value have to be sorted out.  Nothing short of a new start will be needed.

I think Remi Garde has been treated shamefully by the club and nowhere near enough appreciation of the magnitude of the mess he was thrown into extended to him.

If he is replaced whoever takes his place will owe Remi Garde a very big debt of gratitude for having been put in front of the firing squad and having his football career severely damaged by being held to account for circumstances beyond his control and not of his making.

Facing up to a new season in the Championship in August will be a walk in the park compared with walking into the snake pit that was Villa Park last November.

Agreed Brian. I don't think the polarization is about Garde per se, I think it's about a fundamental question of winning at all costs, irrespective the consequences.

The club is on its knees and no one man will turn it around. It needs a complete overhaul - which includes tackling the biggest problems here - ownership and players.

Garde has been treated abysmally - but then that seems to be the way the club wants to behave which is all the more sad.

[Eigentor]

Voted "Yes".

Results have been poor. He hasn't found a way to get the non-triers to try, but that shouldn't be his job description. Let him get his own players in and then judge him, is my opinion.

[passport1]

He is totally out of his depth In the same way that Fox and Amstat were woefully inadequate. That in no way absolves the people who presided over the club structure that lead to their appointments in the first place.

That's why anyone with even a modicum of common sense is counceling a wait and see approach with the latest reshufle.

[ROBBO]

Who would have done any better with this group of players? I for one don't believe it would have made any difference whoever was the manager, look at the skill levels the energy levels and the total lack of backbone by most of the squad. This isn't a managerial problem it is a problem of years of mismanagement from the very top, I'm sick of sacking managers.

[Dazvillain]

As with some on here I don't necessarily have reason to not like remi but his record is awful and we shown no desire or ability in winning games and therefore he should go. However if he hasn't by this weekend it's been a fortnight wasted for a new manager to work with the squad. So if not gone by weekend I think the club must have reason in keeping him whatever into next season . Is that a fair assumption ?

[gpbarr]

Who would have done any better with this group of players? I for one don't believe it would have made any difference whoever was the manager, look at the skill levels the energy levels and the total lack of backbone by most of the squad. This isn't a managerial problem it is a problem of years of mismanagement from the very top, I'm sick of sacking managers.

Its always the easy way out, which is why it happens so much in modern day football. You would think they would learn, alas they don't. Get a fresh face, stick your head in the sand, and hope it will be different next time.

How utterly stupid 

[Chico Hamilton III]

Get a fresh face, stick your head in the sand

Are you an ostrich?

[gpbarr]

Get a fresh face, stick your head in the sand

Are you an ostrich?

Not the last time I checked.

[Meanwood Villa]

For all his dignity and lack of backing we simply should have secured more points that we have since he was appointed.

Ultimately, the love in when we hired him seemed more based on him being different, sounding eloquent and, if people are honest with themselves, I suspect the hope he could be the next Wegner.

But frankly, he appears to have shown absolutely nothing on the training ground or in the dug-out to justify the level of backing he has had (from the fans and on here) and continues to get.  In all honestly he has done a worse job than John Carver.

I would love him to be the next great manager, but for fucks sake he has to show something, surely?

This. His record is appalling. It was a difficult job but he's been crap at it.

[mr underhill]

interesting that Mike Ashley has just come out and said the Toon don't have a pot to piss in and he ain't stumping up any more tin. Could be interesting with them next season

[b23]

I'm not heartless but treated shamefully? Treated disgustingly?
I'm sorry it's just over the top sentimental Shite.
He has been an unmitigated disaster.
Incapable of any enthusiasm for the job, yeah he realised Gabby was crap, I saw that from L8 7 years ago.
Some fans fell in love with the French name and thought how beautiful this was going to be.
In reality the man has been crap, the charisma of a dead badger.
Yet another parasite raping our club, he can do one and take David Ginolas mum with him.

I agree.

People seem to forget that the Club tried to back him in January.
Kalinic couldn't get a work permit.
Doumbia chose Newcastle.
Debuchy chose Bordeaux.
Maybe there were other players too, that didn't want to join ?

Garde has been well paid but he's been another Managerial disaster and must go.

I had high hopes for him, he was likened to the Second coming of Wenger but it has'nt worked out that way. He has an appalling win percentage at Villa. He seems to have made a bad team even worse.

Au revoir Remi and thanks for your input. 

[Clark W Griswold]

He has been shat on its true, and I do feel sympathy for the fact that he hasn't been able to have a go 'on a level playing field' as things might have been very different. The fact of the matter is though, his points per game average and the performances have been truely shocking even taking into consideration the obstacles and I'm quite happy to see anyone replaced in the job with that record. I have no confidence what so ever that he could get us back up next season, he appears to be and results would suggest that he's not the right fit for us and where we are as a club. I genuinely believe that there are other managers out there who could do better.

[Chris Jameson]

Yet another parasite raping our club

*makes note for annual 'most ludicrous post of the year award'*

[malckennedy]

Reading this thread, though I admit that there are large gaps in my reading of it, I have noticed a correlation between contributors' ability to express themselves clearly in writing and their views on whether or not Remi Garde deserves to be sacked. Generally those with the best levels of written expression are more sympathetic to his situation whereas those for whom written English seems more of a challenge want him gone. Is there an element of inverted snobbery in evidence here?