Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[ROBBO]

He cannot be seen to run up the white flag, although the chances of beating the drop is miniscule he will pick the players he believes are best suited to the challenge. Once there is no chance you will see him trying kids like Green to measure how close to senior football they are and if they can improve the side in the championship.

[gpbarr]

He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle

[supertom]

He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle

Oh it will fail. We know that. Until Randy sells up we're stuck. What the club needs is a total change from top to bottom. Ideally Hollis could possibly oversea a degree of stability, and the recent appointments suggest some kind of logic finally being used. Will it change anything? Probably not. But we still need fresh managerial impetus for the playing squad in the summer because it just seems patently clear that Remi's heart isn't in it.
I do agree though without a change in the way the club is run, no amount of managerial changes will make a difference, which is why the coming summer is pretty much the most defining one this club has had in decades.

[Toronto Villa]

His reluctance to pay some of the kids is annoying. 

We'll see them as soon as relegation is confirmed. When that day comes we will start to see the future a little more clearly. It will mark whether Garde remains at the club or not by the players who will be picked. If he stays I don't think he'll ever pick again the wasters who have made his tenure as difficult as possible.

[Villa in Denmark]

Their main aim i would presume would be to reduce the size of the squad. I can't see them sanctioning say 5 new faces if there's still 30 odd professionals at the club, and not ones on cheap wages at that

And there would be nothing wrong with that. Richardson and N'Zogbia are out of contract anyway, so that's two gone who contribute nothing and take home around £80k per week combined.

Those two are the only two big earners out of contract in May. We've then got Guzan, Lescott, Hutton, Kozak, Okore and Bunn going into their last years and I'd be looking to sell all but Okore if possible.
Shockingly Westwood appears to be hear until the end of time. 

Okore is on £25K per week and has a relegation clause according to the press over here, so he's not going to be the one bleeding the system dry.

[Villa in Denmark]

He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle

Oh it will fail. We know that. Until Randy sells up we're stuck. What the club needs is a total change from top to bottom. Ideally Hollis could possibly oversea a degree of stability, and the recent appointments suggest some kind of logic finally being used. Will it change anything? Probably not. But we still need fresh managerial impetus for the playing squad in the summer because it just seems patently clear that Remi's heart isn't in it.
I do agree though without a change in the way the club is run, no amount of managerial changes will make a difference, which is why the coming summer is pretty much the most defining one this club has had in decades.

Not specifically having a pop at you tom, just your quote that caught the eye, but there are plenty of similar about.

As someone who's walked a few people through disciplinary procedures and in 2 cases, out of the door for non-performance in the real world, I can tell you how hard it can be to get someone who genuinely doesn't give a f¤¤k to do their job when you've got real sanctions you can use against them.

If Garde has inherited a squad with a fair proportion of wankers and wastrels who've pretty much made their minds up that they really can't be arsed, once he's gone through arm around shoulder to professional pride ending up with just f##king do it, there's not a lot left to call on. 

I think that was what we saw when he hung them out to dry a couple of weeks ago.  If the only thing you're interested in is a fat PL pay cheque then you're going to have to prove you're not one of the wankers to get a move come June.

It probably only needs 2 or 3 to f¤¤k off and never darken our doorsteps again to change the entire atmosphere and oh god do I rue the day Sherwood was called by Richards' agent.

[gpbarr]

He can't keep coming out, week after week openly asking for his players to offer him more. At some point Garde must be held accountable for the fact that his players aren't performing for him and they're not even close to giving their all for him. He's not getting 100% from them. Even if we had a manager doing that, this lot would still struggle to stay up. Unfortunately we need one of those managers, as O Neill was, who can get a group of players playing above themselves.

If they are not able to perform that's not his fault.

They are able to though. And you can't excuse the awful team selections and tactical deficiencies. The squad isn't very good, but it shouldn't be as piss awful as it has been, and we're not the 20th worst squad in the Premier League on paper. We're just the most feckless, woefully run and managed side in the top flight.
Every manager at every club across the world has to take responsibility for that teams results. That's what you sign up for when you take up the job. Sometimes circumstances are tough. Sometimes you get a raw deal, but you still have to get the best out of what you have. I don't think Remi is getting that. Not even close. Would we stay up if this lot were playing to their best? Maybe not, but at the very least we should be going down fighting.
Yes this is 90% Randy's fault for being a feck brained cretin, but Remi has been atrocious. All excuses aside he's been atrocious.

You summarize nicely why the next manager will fail regardless - he only has a 10% impact and the 90% will still screw it up. But $2m more debt and a new face will appease the fickle

Oh it will fail. We know that. Until Randy sells up we're stuck. What the club needs is a total change from top to bottom. Ideally Hollis could possibly oversea a degree of stability, and the recent appointments suggest some kind of logic finally being used. Will it change anything? Probably not. But we still need fresh managerial impetus for the playing squad in the summer because it just seems patently clear that Remi's heart isn't in it.
I do agree though without a change in the way the club is run, no amount of managerial changes will make a difference, which is why the coming summer is pretty much the most defining one this club has had in decades.

Not specifically having a pop at you tom, just your quote that caught the eye, but there are plenty of similar about.

As someone who's walked a few people through disciplinary procedures and in 2 cases, out of the door for non-performance in the real world, I can tell you how hard it can be to get someone who genuinely doesn't give a f¤¤k to do their job when you've got real sanctions you can use against them.

If Garde has inherited a squad with a fair proportion of wankers and wastrels who've pretty much made their minds up that they really can't be arsed, once he's gone through arm around shoulder to professional pride ending up with just f##king do it, there's not a lot left to call on. 

I think that was what we saw when he hung them out to dry a couple of weeks ago.  If the only thing you're interested in is a fat PL pay cheque then you're going to have to prove you're not one of the wankers to get a move come June.

It probably only needs 2 or 3 to f¤¤k off and never darken our doorsteps again to change the entire atmosphere and oh god do I rue the day Sherwood was called by Richards' agent.

The "Garde isn't getting the right reaction" is nonsense in my book. These players are shit, and they have proved that with successive managers. Modern football finances encourages them to do just what they want - and no amount of coddling, hugging, tub thumping is going to get shit overpaid lazy soccer players to do anything but.

As true as ever, the table doesn't lie. Our squad is the poorest in the PL by some margin. Someone earlier said our squad was better than Bournemouth - are you kidding! They have a squad of hungry, hard working, honest, and fairly talented players who are punching above their weight - thats why they are above us. We have a squad of fat, lazy, past it, has beens given ridiculous contracts (sprinkled with some unknown foreign potential) and are where we deserve to be.  None of that is Garde's fault - none of it.

Go back - MON did well - bloody right too given the vast sums of money he splurged. Then when Lerner got burnt and turned the screw, the fall began. Not one manager since MON has arrested that decline despite all sorts of different contexts.

Those banging the drum for another manager will be the same ones banging the same drum in a years time, and the year after that, and the year after that. GUARANTEED 

Shoot the messenger, time and time again. We just never learn, which is why we will get exactly what we deserve in May.     

[KevinGage]

I'd say our entire squad is better talent-wise than Norwich, Bournemouth and the Olbiyun and there shouldn't be much in it between Sunderland and worselves.

If the suggestion is that Garde or no other manager on God's green earth could possibly hope to get a reaction out of the seven or eight professionals it would need from a 25-man squad to give us a fighting chance then lets just save the £2 to £3 million and do
away with his position entirely.

Let Elaine Rose and Nicola Keye pick the team. 

[ozzjim]

I agree re Norwich, but Bournemouth have a massive advantage in the fact their defensive unit has been together for a long time, and know each others game inside out, which allows them to have a solid base. Add in then that Matt Richie is more creative than anyone in our squad, King, Afobe and Wilson are all better centre forwards than anyone we have and Gradel is a terrific player, then you can see why they are so much better than us.

Albion simply have better fighters and an ultra defensive manager that sets his team up to spoil their way to points, but is helped no end by a striker who when in the mood is a quality goalscorer, streets better than we have.

The other difference there is that if you do have a creative spark and a few goals in the side, then it makes the defensive side so much easier. Benteke relieved our pressure and allowed others to play, Grealish last season for example, got space due to Benteke moving people about and working to create it. Our best 45 minutes this season at Leicester was achieved through Gabby doing exactly that but one week he will, the next 9 he won't.

Simply, our forwards are as much of an issue as the useless back 4, as they don't hold it up, and they don't score, and they don't create much. We have no pace unless we play Traore, as the rest are pedestrian, and we don't have a winger in the squad that will work up and down and get the ball in from dangerous areas. Only Amavi has done that all season. The movement is shocking too.

Next season, whoever is in charge, I want to see injecting a huge amount of pace, some power through midfield and some real leaders.

[DaveD]

I'd say our entire squad is better talent-wise than Norwich, Bournemouth and the Olbiyun and there shouldn't be much in it between Sunderland and worselves.

On what evidence ? Name one of our players who would be a certain starter at any of the other clubs. Ayew has been our best player this season and even he's only done it in flashes. I mean seriously - Craig Gardener or Ashley Westwood ? That's how low we've sunk.

[mr underhill]

the table never lies

[Chico Hamilton III]

Those banging the drum for another manager will be the same ones banging the same drum in a years time, and the year after that, and the year after that. GUARANTEED 

So we should still have Lambert as manager? what about those banging the drum for keeping shit managers in a job? they usually see sense when it's too late and we're too deep in the shit. I can't think if a club who retained a poor manager and succeeded. You're clearly a big fan of Garde and I think it's clouding your argument. Club first. 

[brian green]

The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.

[sid1964]

There will never be a Manager of Aston Villa that everyone likes or that we think is right for our club, we could get Mourinho in and some would moan and some in a way would hope that he would fail so they can say "I told you he was rubbish".

But eventually we will have to stick with a manager because we cannot keep sacking them every 6 months, we cannot afford it and we desperately need a period of stability.

I hate to say this but we WILL lose games in the Championship next season, even GT lost games when we were in the old Division 2 (against Blues at home for a start) if that happens next season then there will be uproar on this site!

If it is not Garde in charge next season, then I hope that Brian Little advises the board well on who the new man is going to be.

My guess is that the new manager will be someone who is currently not in a job, as we wont be paying compensation to any club for their manager.

[Witton Warrior]

The situation is very clear.  You either believe Randy Lerner is going to cut and run regardless of the losses he has sustained or he is going to stay and ride out the slump in the value of his asset.  You believe what you like.  If you favour the doomsday scenario that is your choice.  My attitude to such a business dilemma based on a long lifetime of wealth generation for others, my family and myself is to play the long game.  You can never deny funding to any business you want to save.  Economise yes, eat your seed corn no.

There is s also another simple choice of beliefs to address.  Once again the choice is yours.  You either believe we are always going to play badly, lose games and go  into a spiral of endless decline or you believe we will pull out of this terrible run of form and start to win again.

I sympathise with the former scenario and from my weekly attendance at Villa games often am tempted to support the doomsday concept but in times of cooler more level headed judgement I know the latter is the reality.

History seems to indicate that Randy Lerner is not good at making business calls, he may get this one wrong again but any advisor, be it King or Bernstein or Maynard Keynes reincarnate would advise him against jettisoning his investment at rock bottom value.

Villa's future is uncertain.  This forum exists for us to express our views. Mine is that there are better, more stable times ahead.

The only problem is that Lerner has not shown himself to follow solid business principles Brian - he sticks his head in the sand and then panics when it is too late, which fails of course so he runs further away with his fingers in his ears going "Lalalalalalalaaa".

Never assume he is as insightful as yourself mate!