Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[ez]

The players aren't playing crap out of choice. They're playing crap because they are crap. They are not capable of playing better. Getting rid of Garde isn't going to change that.

[Toronto Villa]

If you base what you see now as any kind of indication that it will exactly the same in the Championship, then 1) take a look at championship football and 2) take a good look at who is at the top of that division as an indication of what it takes to be at the top. Two of those sides were relegated last season yet by keeping a good core of the same players are doing just fine. What we have to do is not only rid ourselves of certain players but more importantly the stench of this season and all it represents. Garde needs a fresh start be it in the PL or Championship. And if it is a division lower then we don't need massive change to give ourselves a solid chance of coming back up. It's hard to see now but let's not make the Championship out to be this frightening proposition. It's not.

[supertom]

It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..

The consensus seems to be that it's been our foreign signings who've got us into this mess (not true of course). I'd also imagine there will be takers for many of them, whilst a few will surely want to jump ship. I think the Jordan's (bar Amavi...inititally, but probably in Jan) will probably be sold.

The squad come August will look very different I think. The key thing will be that we find some consistency in our acquisitions. We need to build a team. The signings last summer were just too much of a hodge-podge. There seemed no dicernable plan, and we didn't adequately replace the players we lost, even with spending over 50 million.

i don't think the foreign players have been the cause of the mess. Not sure many people do. mebbe they were signed a year too early but then they could have been out of our reach. I think most of them have enough credit in the bank to attract bids from abroad. I really don't think most of them will be here and that list is cloud cuckoo land. We've been moaning about Lerner's cut the wages budget for donkeys years and arguing that could threaten our premiership position and he never listened. I think he will go all out to accept any offers for them and we'll be left with the ones we can't offload, and again, we need someone who can get something out of them. Garde ain't it

The press and many pundits seem to suggest so, that our signings have almost all been poor and the Frenchies haven't been able to settle. Whilst that is indeed not particularly accurate, that sort of guff still filters through to the club, and noises (apparently) from the club, seem to suggest we're not entirely satisfied with how most of these players have performed. To be honest not one of our signings has been anything close to good. We've seen patches from the Jordans (Amavi was unfortunate of course) whilst Gana has largely been mediocre (good today to be fair).

Are any of the 2015 signings what you could possibly call the future of the club? Probably not. There's going to be a fire sale for a number of reasons and not least because Randy will want to claw back as much money as possible.

And yes. Garde has to go.

[Des Little]

Never since the introduction of beer goggles has Steve Bruce looked more attractive

[supertom]

The players aren't playing crap out of choice. They're playing crap because they are crap. They are not capable of playing better. Getting rid of Garde isn't going to change that.

They are largely shit but I don't see it as purely that. Compare our squad to Bournemouth. We have more individual talent. But there was a league table recently that showed miles covered by each team. Bournemouth were top. We were bottom. Now it's not all about running around like a maniac of course, but it's clear that they're put their heart and soul into this season and have exceeded their expectations by a long, long way. They're safe in mid-March. Hats off, applause, well done. Hard work. Unity. Enthusiasm. Those things go a long way in this league. There are many sides who are full off duffers that without the right attitude could easily struggle. What will keep some sides up at the expense of perhaps more talented sides who may go down, is simply down to application. Good man-management, dedicated players and cohesion. We have absolutely none of that. I don't think the current Aston Villa squad is the worst top flight side on paper. Not by a long shot. Aside from Newcastle, it's the must fractured squad with the most appallingly toxic attitude and is not performing anywhere close to potential. We should be duffing around aimlessly in 15th place, which isn't brilliant, but we've not worked hard enough, so we're rock bottom.

[supertom]

Never since the introduction of beer goggles has Steve Bruce looked more attractive

Jesus. It's sad. But what's frightening is, he's probably a reasonable bet for getting us out of the championship or at least stabilising us.
That said, not with a 10 foot barge pole. Bruce looks like a heart attack waiting to happen and walking into this football club would be bonkers in his state. We need a young spunky manager rolling on a bit of success who can bring us into the 21st century and motivate the squad.

[rob_bridge]

As long as we have Guzan, Clark, Bacuna, Westwood, Lescott, Gabby, Richards, Richardson and Hutton near the first team as higher earners it dosen't matter if we had Clough/Shankley/Stein/Ramsey reincarnated we can not move one. All of them have to be binned. All of Them. No Ifs No Buts - No so and so should be given another chance. Sherwood was right in one regard there is a stench and an acceptance of failure at the club. Start with the key personnel.

[ROBBO]

One point I would take issue with is comparing Gardes record with TS over the same period of time, as in another thread I would point out that TS had Delph, Cleverley and Benteke at his disposal all three better players than any other in our present squad. As for a new manager he would probably think he could turn Gabby into a footballer so we would have all the troublemakers still at the club.

[django]

One point I would take issue with is comparing Gardes record with TS over the same period of time, as in another thread I would point out that TS had Delph, Cleverley and Benteke at his disposal all three better players than any other in our present squad. As for a new manager he would probably think he could turn Gabby into a footballer so we would have all the troublemakers still at the club.

Thing is if you compare Sherwoods overall record it's better than Gardes. Which is why people compare Sherwoods record this season with the same players.

On that basis Garde is slightly ahead, .2 points per game, of the form that was so abysmal it got Sherwood the sack when he had credit in the bank from keeping us up and getting us to an FA cup final. Garde has no credit in the bank and I imagine is statistically our worst ever manager.

[Steve67]

As one of the mods said on another thread, Sherwood's record is slightly better than Garde's at this point. I'm fairly sure it won't be by the end of the season though. I can only see us picking up 19 points, draws against Bormuff, Barcodes and Saints. And I'm being optimistic. Whether Garde survives (or walks before being pushed) is anyone's guess.

[SheffieldVillain]

One point I would take issue with is comparing Gardes record with TS over the same period of time, as in another thread I would point out that TS had Delph, Cleverley and Benteke at his disposal all three better players than any other in our present squad. As for a new manager he would probably think he could turn Gabby into a footballer so we would have all the troublemakers still at the club.

Thing is if you compare Sherwoods overall record it's better than Gardes. Which is why people compare Sherwoods record this season with the same players.

On that basis Garde is slightly ahead, .2 points per game, of the form that was so abysmal it got Sherwood the sack when he had credit in the bank from keeping us up and getting us to an FA cup final. Garde has no credit in the bank and I imagine is statistically our worst ever manager.

However, what also needs to be taken into account, is the fact that it was Sherwood who signed a lot of these players. Depending on what you believe about the international signings, at the very least he signed Richards, Lescott and Gestede. That's right, he signed Gestede as our main hope of scoring goals this season. So for that alone, he is far, far more culpable than Garde for the situation we are in.

And before anybody wants to say he wasn't who Sherwood wanted, here's what he had to say upon signing him.

"I've known about Rudy since he was at Cardiff and he is a player I've always admired," said Sherwood. "His goalscoring ratio last season was fantastic and he is someone who certainly knows how to find the back of the net."

[Matt C]

Sherwood inherited some decent players and one world class one who were woefully underperforming alongside some poor players.

Garde inherited poor players.

[aldridgeboy]

With this squad it's difficult to say if its his fault, (possibly) the players fault ( definitely ) or both.
Whoevers fault it is, with the changes at board level and presumably the sackings about to come, we need a clean start. The majority of the squad need to go ( some will really want to , and the rest by and large need to be moved on )we need a new man to take us forward.
I don't blame remi for our position, but he is,in the last 4 months of our awfulness, in charge, and as so partly responsible for our relegation.
Clean sweep all round and a breath of new hope for next year.




Who that is God only knows. 

[pbavfckuwait]

Dream Team         Actual

New signing            Bunn
New signing            Hutton   
Amavi                      Amavi
Okore                      Clark
New signing             Lescott
Sanchez                  Westwood
Gana                       Gardner
Grealish                   Lyden
Traore                     Sinclair
Ayew                       Gestede
New signing            New signing

[pbavfckuwait]

Substitutes Gabby and 5 walking lamp posts