Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Legion]

The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.

I think he's in an extreme state of shock.

[saunders_heroes]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?

That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops

At the very least Sherwood gave us a "new manager lift" last season that kept us in this league. Garde has done absolutely nothing.

[Legion]

It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Yes.

Whilst I don't doubt the ability of the morons fucking us up from the top down to continue doing so, at the same time, it's not going to take earth-shattering levels of investment to get us promoted back.

[sickbeggar]

That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?

It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?

Well my opinion is the way we've performed would get us beat by 2/3rds of the championship, probably more. I agree a lot of them are good enough for the championship but that's not the problem,The problem  is they won't or can't  play for garde.  They're lower premiership/championship players but that never stopped them surviving in the premier before .You can stick messi and ronaldo in for 2 of those 5 and all we'd get was a lot of 5-5 draws. Yes people like Hutton aren't good enough for the premier but they're not even playing at championship level for Garde and they are that good.

[kippaxvilla2]

If that Wolves SHA game is anything to go by then I'd agree.  Still not convinced by Remi though for some reason.

[SheffieldVillain]

That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?

It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?

Well my opinion is the way we've performed would get us beat by 2/3rds of the championship, probably more. I agree a lot of them are good enough for the championship but that's not the problem,The problem  is they won't or can't  play for garde.  They're lower premiership/championship players but that never stopped them surviving in the premier before .You can stick messi and ronaldo in for 2 of those 5 and all we'd get was a lot of 5-5 draws. Yes people like Hutton aren't good enough for the premier but they're not even playing at championship level for Garde and they are that good.

And didn't play for Sherwood save for about five games. Or K-Mac. Or Lambert in some cases. Or even McLeish and Houllier in one or two cases. But yeah, it's Garde's fault.

You seem to be forgetting that in the other seasons where they were good enough to survive in the Premier League that they had Benteke, or before him Bent up front. We now have Gestede.

[David_Nab]

Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.

I didn't see it that way today. I thought they tried and worked quite hard but crossing was, as usual, crap and they had far better players than us (obviously). Even when we had one or two clear chances we contrived to miss and we were so easily carved open by there speed of thought and movement. Our squad, with Traore and Amavi injured, completely lacks pace so all our attempts at attacking are ponderous.

Thats how I saw it .We try but the midfield bar Gana is too slow and physically lighweight they don't protect the defence and contribute little going forward.

Beyond that its 20 games we have lost , mentally the players are shot.I think some of them aren't good enough anyway but losing constantly has killed their confidence.Thats another reason we needed new players in Jan we needed some players to come in not tainted with constantly losing.

As for Garde I did see him with Lescott telling him and defence to push up ,but they kept dropping team allowing Spurs to thread balls through, I don't he lacks passion he just has a team that have nothing left to give

[sickbeggar]

That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?

It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?

Well my opinion is the way we've performed would get us beat by 2/3rds of the championship, probably more. I agree a lot of them are good enough for the championship but that's not the problem,The problem  is they won't or can't  play for garde.  They're lower premiership/championship players but that never stopped them surviving in the premier before .You can stick messi and ronaldo in for 2 of those 5 and all we'd get was a lot of 5-5 draws. Yes people like Hutton aren't good enough for the premier but they're not even playing at championship level for Garde and they are that good.

And didn't play for Sherwood save for about five games. Or K-Mac. Or Lambert in some cases. Or even McLeish and Houllier in one or two cases. But yeah, it's Garde's fault.

You seem to be forgetting that in the other seasons where they were good enough to survive in the Premier League that they had Benteke, or before him Bent up front. We now have Gestede.

I never denied he had a shitty hand from when he first arrived. My problem is he's doing worse with the shitty hand than could ever be imagined. As someone who realises he will need to use a lot of the same shitty hand next season, I'd rather let someone else buy the new players and hope he can't get slightly more out of the existing players

[sickbeggar]

It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..

[supertom]

It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..

The consensus seems to be that it's been our foreign signings who've got us into this mess (not true of course). I'd also imagine there will be takers for many of them, whilst a few will surely want to jump ship. I think the Jordan's (bar Amavi...inititally, but probably in Jan) will probably be sold.

The squad come August will look very different I think. The key thing will be that we find some consistency in our acquisitions. We need to build a team. The signings last summer were just too much of a hodge-podge. There seemed no dicernable plan, and we didn't adequately replace the players we lost, even with spending over 50 million.

[olaftab]

Surely Gardes record is worse over the same number of games as Sherwood?

It is now but a useless comparison. It's asking if Cyanide is worse than Polonium.

[olaftab]

The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.

I think he's in an extreme state of shock.

No I don't think so that is if you are serious. The man is sitting pretty on a few million pounds from us whatever happens. It's easy money.

[sickbeggar]

It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

Pretty much spot on for me.

Thats more likely a list of the players first out the door. As if lerner is going to turn down 1 half decent offer for Ayew etc..

The consensus seems to be that it's been our foreign signings who've got us into this mess (not true of course). I'd also imagine there will be takers for many of them, whilst a few will surely want to jump ship. I think the Jordan's (bar Amavi...inititally, but probably in Jan) will probably be sold.

The squad come August will look very different I think. The key thing will be that we find some consistency in our acquisitions. We need to build a team. The signings last summer were just too much of a hodge-podge. There seemed no dicernable plan, and we didn't adequately replace the players we lost, even with spending over 50 million.

i don't think the foreign players have been the cause of the mess. Not sure many people do. mebbe they were signed a year too early but then they could have been out of our reach. I think most of them have enough credit in the bank to attract bids from abroad. I really don't think most of them will be here and that list is cloud cuckoo land. We've been moaning about Lerner's cut the wages budget for donkeys years and arguing that could threaten our premiership position and he never listened. I think he will go all out to accept any offers for them and we'll be left with the ones we can't offload, and again, we need someone who can get something out of them. Garde ain't it

[LeeB]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?

That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops

At the very least Sherwood gave us a "new manager lift" last season that kept us in this league. Garde has done absolutely nothing.

Well yes, or we lost a couple and were struggling and then Benteke got fit.