Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[sickbeggar]

Still don't understand why people think Garde will have a totally different squad next season. He won't. He'll have the ones he has now minus the (better) ones he can sell, with 4 or 5 new faces if he's lucky. He really needs to be able to motivate the current squad because like it or not he's stuck with them. These new players he wants better be blinding because we're gonna struggle if they're the only ones that will play for him.

[walsall villain]

Graham Taylor on the radio, said it was the first time he's seen us live this season and he was surprised to see the lack of effort being shown. Players standing around, hands on hips, looking at other players, shit body language, general negativity.....he sounded quite sad.

I didn't see it that way today. I thought they tried and worked quite hard but crossing was, as usual, crap and they had far better players than us (obviously). Even when we had one or two clear chances we contrived to miss and we were so easily carved open by there speed of thought and movement. Our squad, with Traore and Amavi injured, completely lacks pace so all our attempts at attacking are ponderous.

[pauliewalnuts]

Still don't understand why people think Garde will have a totally different squad next season. He won't. He'll have the ones he has now minus the (better) ones he can sell, with 4 or 5 new faces if he's lucky. He really needs to be able to motivate the current squad because like it or not he's stuck with them. These new players he wants better be blinding because we're gonna struggle if they're the only ones that will play for him.

So, a different squad - you're the one who made "totally" different a requirement.

He's going to have to work with some of the same players but he'll get to choose the ones we try to move on, and the new ones coming in.

[sickbeggar]

Still don't understand why people think Garde will have a totally different squad next season. He won't. He'll have the ones he has now minus the (better) ones he can sell, with 4 or 5 new faces if he's lucky. He really needs to be able to motivate the current squad because like it or not he's stuck with them. These new players he wants better be blinding because we're gonna struggle if they're the only ones that will play for him.

So, a different squad - you're the one who made it "totally" different

yeah, but the fact remains if he can't get anything out of the current squad, he's not going to do it with the same players plus 4 or 5 new faces is he, unless you think we can mount a challenge with only 4 or 5 players bothering in the team?

[pauliewalnuts]

That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?

[oswald funkletrumpet]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?

[pauliewalnuts]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?

That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

And what's more, if he loses at Swansea, that'll be: W2 D6 L12 = 0.6 points per game

Against Sherwood: W1 D1 L8 = 0.4 points per game

So, once again, you're factually wrong.

[sickbeggar]

That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?

It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

[pauliewalnuts]

That's not a "fact" though, its an opinion.

Was that your take on the lack of January spending too? He won't get much out of four or five new players so why bother?

You're making judgements on how much a manager could get out of new signings before he has had the chance to sign a single player himself.

How is that a "fact"?

It's certainly a fact that that no team is going to mount a challenge with only half of them bothering however well his signings perform. He can't get anything out of the current players so why are they suddenly going to play for him in the Championship?? You may not have noticed, but a lot of the fucks up we regularly perform wil be punished just as badly in a division lower

You say "he can't get anything out of the players" and you've decided that is "all of the players".

As for having noticed a lot of these fuck ups will perform just as badly in the championship - no, I haven't "noticed" it at all, because it hasn't happened - once again, you're treating things which are opinion as fact.

Is Hutton good enough for the top flight? No.

Is he good enough for the championship? Possibly, yes.

If you are expecting 25 players out and 25 in this summer, then you are going to be disappointed, regardless of who is the manager.

How different do you think this team would be if - taking five of them - Bacuna, Hutton, Lescott, Richards and Gabby had been replaced with half useful players?

[oswald funkletrumpet]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?

That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops

[django]

I think some of you need a reality check, I don't care who the manager is or was with this squad we were always going to be relegated. The powers that be took a massive gamble last summer and it has blown up in our face, to bring in so many players that were untried in the premiership or at least a league equivalent to it has been shown to be a disaster and the biggest mistake of all was replacing our leading goal scorer with a donkey has proved fatal. Get of Gardes back his only mistake was in believing the players may have been better than what they turned out to be. As we saw today the effort was there but the players are simply not good enough at this level.

We took a massive gamble in the summer recruiting untried players, it blew up in our faces. And then we took the same gamble recruiting our manager. That has also blown up in our faces.

In large part, that's the clubs fault not Gardes. The teams performance itself is largely down to our poor players and general malaise at the club which has dragged us down for years, our brittle confidence is the fault of all the managers from Houllier onwards, not simply Garde alone.

But he has to take his share of the blame. If he is really incapable of having any effect whatsoever under his working conditions, he'll have to make way for someone else to try.

[Risso]

The most damning thing for me is that every time the camera panned to him today, he was just sat there, silent and completely still. He's as bad as Agbonlahor.

[Richard]

It's a big if of course but if Garde can just bring in 4 new players the team below would have a great chance of promotion if what I've seen of that division this season is typical

New signing
New signing
Amavi
Okore
New signing
Sanchez
Gana
Grealish
Traore
Ayew
New signing

[kippaxvilla2]

Surely Gardes record is worse over the same number of games as Sherwood?

[pauliewalnuts]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

if you want to split hairs

ts played 10 won one gd from memory -11

rg played 19 won two gd i think -22

so fail to win at swansea and garde is officially worse than sherwood

agreed?

That's not the same as "is worse than Sherwood", though, that's "will be worse than Sherwood if ...."

Agreed?

fuck me

garde will be worse than sherwood IF we dont win at swansea

would you agree with that statement or should i use capital letters and full stops

Use what you want, but take the effort to check the facts first, why not.

And what's more, if he loses at Swansea, that'll be: W2 D6 L12 = 0.6 points per game

Against Sherwood: W1 D1 L8 = 0.4 points per game

So, once again, you're factually wrong.

So, no, morse code, semaphore, English, drums, whatever your chosen mode of communication, if we lose against Swansea, Garde won't be mathematically worse than Sherwood, no.