Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[DB]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

We are conceding more goals under Garde?

[seanthevillan]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

We are conceding more goals under Garde?

Sherwood kept one clean sheet in the league before he left - in Garde's first game, the 0-0 against City, the team looked better defensively organised than it had done, and I think the Leicester home match was a decent performance as well.

Unfortunately as everyone has identified, a clique of players have just stopped performing for Garde and the club - we had a few batterings under Sherwood as well though.

[PeterWithesShin]

In about 30 years we will all probably look back and say Garde was useless. He had players like Adama, Amavi, Gana, Gill, Grealish Richards at his disposal who all went on to do well. (maybe no Richards)

Amavi played 1 game under Garde and then had that injury. Adama has made 5 appearances under him. He's hardly had them at his disposal. That's a bit like saying McNeill had Gary Shaw at his disposal.

[LeeB]

If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.

[olaftab]

However if your Gaffer said to you at the interview that you will have to drill such holes with tools we have then I am sure you will either look at the tools and accept or ask for alternative  suitable tools and you will not accept the job otherwise?

[Chico Hamilton III]

If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.

Only bad workmen blame their tools. If I was in charge, I'd be sending Garde to B&Q to ask for a long wait and a tin of elbow grease

[LeeB]

However if your Gaffer said to you at the interview that you will have to drill such holes with tools we have then I am sure you will either look at the tools and accept or ask for alternative  suitable tools and you will not accept the job otherwise?

But I bet it was more like being asked to make a start with those tools, and we'll get you some new ones in a couple of months, which of course didn't happen.

[LeeB]

If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.

Only bad workmen blame their tools. If I was in charge, I'd be sending Garde to B&Q to ask for a long wait and a tin of elbow grease

Bad workmen do blame their tools, but it doesn't change the fact you need a certain level of equipment to do complex jobs.

You're not going to dig the channel tunnel with a pick axe, however talented you are.

[olaftab]

However if your Gaffer said to you at the interview that you will have to drill such holes with tools we have then I am sure you will either look at the tools and accept or ask for alternative  suitable tools and you will not accept the job otherwise?

But I bet it was more like being asked to make a start with those tools, and we'll get you some new ones in a couple of months, which of course didn't happen.

Yes perhaps but at that stage you would resign unless of course you have signed a fat 1.2 Million pounds a year contract than you would stay and wait for paid up sack!

[Toronto Villa]

while relegation isn't mathematically certain Garde isn't going to play the kids because of the poisonous nature of the dressing room. My guess is as soon as it is he'll turf the wasters like Richards and Gabby. Only then will he start to introduce younger players because the pressure will be relieved as ultimately depressing as the fact of relegation might be. We would essentially be starting pre-season a little early.

[Ian.]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

We are conceding more goals under Garde?

But if your using these stats then you need to consider that it was a team Sherwood built with 12 or so new signings.

[Malandro]

If my gaffer sent me to a job to drill through a concrete floor, but gave me a 12v hand drill and a wood bit, I wouldn't be able to do it.

It wouldn't mean I was incapable of doing the job, just the tools were not up to it. It feels like we've asked Garde to do similar.

Only bad workmen blame their tools. If I was in charge, I'd be sending Garde to B&Q to ask for a long wait and a tin of elbow grease

You're not going to dig the channel tunnel with a pick axe, however talented you are.

It always reverts back to the fact he's French!

[PaulWinch again]

But he hasn't made us worse though, under Garde we have been no worse than we were under Sherwood.

sherwood 1 win in 10
garde 2 wins in 18

looks the same to me

So not worse then.

And also not even the same yet.

[Pat McMahon]

I'd like to see Garde get next season.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?

Not sure that scans. Allthepies at Sunderland inherited a team not drastically superior talent-wise to our mob.

They had zero wins on the board when he took over in October yet somehow had four by early January. Would he, Pearson or any of the other legion of doom been good long-term options for us?  Probably not. But would they have been more likely to get a tune out of the current side?  I'd say they would.

What Garde faced wasn't Berlin in 1945 when the gig was to all intents and purposes up, but Stalingrad in 1942, pre-Kessel with the winter setting in. Odds against, but still a reasonable chance. I don't think the Sixth Army would have dragged it out for so long if Paulus had fired his men up on the eve of Operation Uranus by saying 'You're all shitheads, I don't rate you and I am better than this."

I like this analogy Mr Gage.

[supertom]

Our players are bad but they aren't as talentless as they look at the moment. We shouldn't be quite this shit, and Garde's come across a little petulant to me since January. Rather than moaning week on week about his players not listening to him (which is essentially an admission that he's not doing his own job properly) or that they're not good enough, he should have just walked. He's so passionless and not in the least bit inspiring. You can only excuse our results so far for him. I appreciate the squad is mediocre. I appreciate it's not his team (Sherwood will argue the same until the end of time no doubt) but 2 wins in 18 is inexcusable at a premier league football club. Bournemouth do not have a better squad than we do. They didn't spend the best part of 50 million on new players in the summer.

Garde's future lies back in France where his managerial style will be better suited and where he's at his level. He has to go in the summer. To be honest I'd bin him now and let Sir Brian see us through to the end of the season. We dead and buried but Garde's relationship with his board and players has broken down beyond repair.