Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[pbavfckuwait]

Few things I think need light pouring on here,
(1) No Manager ever gets his team when he first arrives at a club especially if it is mid season, so he takes his time to assess and hopefully from prior knowledge of the game finds a formation, pattern of play that suits available personnel until changes can be made.
(2) If you find that you have inherited a bunch of malcontents and effortless merchants you have two ways of dealing with it (a) Coach and just as importantly coax them on side or (b) identify ring leaders and place as far away as possible from the rest of the squad, club.
Not tell the world and his dog via the press they are a useless bunch of unprofessional tossers, but as I have no options I am going to pick them every week and even at times change formation so I can get more of them into the team.
(3) Not backed in January, think this is his only non self induced excuse, but also a concern with his targets, we are crying out for a goal scorer, but correct me if I am wrong there was not one out and out goalscorer in the mix.
(4) If you put the kids in (not talking about 6 or 7, we could get rid of Richards, Gabby , Westwood, so maybe 3)they are going to be scarred for life, again two ways of looking at that.

[pbavfckuwait]

(4) Got posted early there, two ways of looking at it, If I was a young player at Villa now and I fancied myself to make the grade, I would be at Garde's door banging and banging, because if I was Lyden and I can't do the job as well as Westwood maybe time to look at career options. Same would go for a young forward looking at Gabby. If put into the team with the wrong mix agree it could do damage, but as mentioned above that can damage players as well.

Sherwood got a bounce and also was slagged for the players he fancied for this season, well I watched one of them last night put more into 90 minutes than I have seen from any Villa player this season and that was Lennon at Everton, not saying I wanted the chancer to stay, but we can't state that certain managers are not getting what they should out of the squad, then back the next guy when he gets even less out of them and we should not keep, on the danger the board might go loop shit and appoint another looney tune. today's result will go along way to deciding, I think another tonking and if he does not walk he needs to be walked around the rose garden

[brian green]

Never going to happen Kuwait, or if there is a walk around the rose garden it will be to persuade Remi Garde to stay.  Whether he chooses to waste any more time on us is a coin toss but they want him for the long haul and so do I.

[pbavfckuwait]

Brian I have never been as convinced about this guy as much as yourself, but have thought what is the use of yet another chopping and yes agree that he has held himself with great dignity after falling into the storm, I just think if the results keep going against us, but more so if the results are going against us with a large number of the players he has called out, still there week in week out on the pitch and the goal difference i.e. the beatings keep getting heavy, something has got to give and it will not be the players until May that's for sure.
Can honestly state Brian that for the first time I am not looking forward to the game today, the scoreline god only knows, but I have the feeling the nucleolus of the side will be the wasters that have served up garbage all season, we will play to the same pattern without adventure and the inevitable acceptance of what is to occur, the manager can only pass that off as none and I say none, not total, his responsibility.

[brian green]

Utmost respect Kuwait. I am in a similar boat today.  For the first time for longer than I care to recall I shall be going to Villa Park on my own.  No brother, neither son, no daughter, no grandson beside me.  Just me.  That is how bad it has become.

I have a number of misgivings about Remi Garde.  All top managers have to have the ability in extreme situations of putting the fear of God up their players.  He seems to lack that.  He is too forgiving and should never have allowed Agbonlahor or Richards back into the fold.  He is a percentage player not a risk taker.  He clearly needs men of his choice to help him.

Having said all that I come back like a compass needle to magnetic north to the unshakeable belief that there must be an end to manager hating, manager baiting and manager sacking at Villa Park.  We need a time to regroup and to rebuild.

I compare it to a family in a car on a journey.  Let one person hold the map and work out the directions, don't keep snatching it off him and going off in another direction.

I have the utmost respect for Mervyn King and David Bernstein.  I worked for the Bernstein family in the 60s and 70s and they are top drawer business people.  I am completely confident that they fully understand the overwhelming need for stability at the club.

If it is not going to be Remi in charge after the summer it will be somebody very similar.  Pearson, Davies, Bruce and their ilk are not what will happen.  I am a betting man and my money is still just about on Garde being persuaded to stay.

[Dave]

I like Remi and unfortunately because of the law that players never get sacked felt he had to go after the Everton game but nonetheless I like what he says so I still want him to succeed.

With regard to the championship am I right in thinking that no manager from outside the British Isles has got a team promoted since its current guise formation in 2004?

The Watford Spaniard? I might be wrong... Di Matteo with Albion?

Jokanovic isn't Spanish.

[Ormy Droid]

I get the stability argument and in an ideal world I would like Remi to continue and given the chance to weed out the dissenters against his regime and bring in his own backroom team from Lyon, plus players who want to play for him.

Unfortunately, there's nothing ideal about Aston Villa's world at the moment. And if anything, speculation and some rational thinking all point to the fact that we're going to be stuck with the fat. lazy ingrates that have so disgraced our shirt this season - Gabby, Richards, Guzan, etc.

While those leaving will be the French contingent, plus Traore, who have at least shown some spark (understandably on an inconsistent basis in their first season in new league, new country and in 'our worst team ever') and are players that would likely buy into Garde's thinking/training.

I hope I'm proved wrong, but if not, Garde is clearly not the manager we're going to need next season.

[brian green]

Agree Ormy but my view is that it is not just next season, but the one after that and the one after that.  Villa is seriously broken.  Bouncing back is very, very important but not as important as the whole future of the club.

[Tayls_7]

Utmost respect Kuwait. I am in a similar boat today.  For the first time for longer than I care to recall I shall be going to Villa Park on my own.  No brother, neither son, no daughter, no grandson beside me.  Just me.  That is how bad it has become.

I have a number of misgivings about Remi Garde.  All top managers have to have the ability in extreme situations of putting the fear of God up their players.  He seems to lack that.  He is too forgiving and should never have allowed Agbonlahor or Richards back into the fold.  He is a percentage player not a risk taker.  He clearly needs men of his choice to help him.

Having said all that I come back like a compass needle to magnetic north to the unshakeable belief that there must be an end to manager hating, manager baiting and manager sacking at Villa Park.  We need a time to regroup and to rebuild.

I compare it to a family in a car on a journey.  Let one person hold the map and work out the directions, don't keep snatching it off him and going off in another direction.

I have the utmost respect for Mervyn King and David Bernstein.  I worked for the Bernstein family in the 60s and 70s and they are top drawer business people.  I am completely confident that they fully understand the overwhelming need for stability at the club.

If it is not going to be Remi in charge after the summer it will be somebody very similar.  Pearson, Davies, Bruce and their ilk are not what will happen.  I am a betting man and my money is still just about on Garde being persuaded to stay.

I used to give Mrs Tayls that responsibility. I'd have faired better giving it to the tartan blanket and fedora on the parcel shelf.

[olaftab]

Few things I think need light pouring on here,
(1) No Manager ever gets his team when he first arrives at a club especially if it is mid season, so he takes his time to assess and hopefully from prior knowledge of the game finds a formation, pattern of play that suits available personnel until changes can be made.
(2) If you find that you have inherited a bunch of malcontents and effortless merchants you have two ways of dealing with it (a) Coach and just as importantly coax them on side or (b) identify ring leaders and place as far away as possible from the rest of the squad, club.
Not tell the world and his dog via the press they are a useless bunch of unprofessional tossers, but as I have no options I am going to pick them every week and even at times change formation so I can get more of them into the team.
(3) Not backed in January, think this is his only non self induced excuse, but also a concern with his targets, we are crying out for a goal scorer, but correct me if I am wrong there was not one out and out goalscorer in the mix.
(4) If you put the kids in (not talking about 6 or 7, we could get rid of Richards, Gabby , Westwood, so maybe 3)they are going to be scarred for life, again two ways of looking at that.

I can't disagree with any of this and this is why I have lost a little bit of faith in Remi.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

did anyone want mcneill to stay?

garde is worse whats the difference?

i am genuinely surprised at the goodwill afforded to a manger who is making a shit team even shitter. if things are bad now then next season will be even harder.

[ROBBO]

Surely a Brian Little presence in the dressing room would help Garde, he seems to be fighting a one man battle and to have a Villa legend walk among the players showing his support for the manager may give Remi a little (no pun intended) breathing space.

[PaulWinch again]

How is he making them shitter? They are terrible I'm not disagreeing with that, but through this season did you forget the first 10 games under Sherwood? I don't know whether Garde can suceed or not, but to write him off against a back drop of probably the worst squad we've had and him not being able to sign any players is ridiculous. He deserves a chance at getting some players in. Can you not see the pattern that we have been sacking managers for the last few years and have continued to decline? Also without knowing what the plans are for next season yet I don't know how you can say things are only going to get worse, because we'll be playing poorer teams next year.

[Mister E]

Garde gets the goodwill generally being voiced on some threads here because he was dealt an impossible hand. Given the financial benefits of staying in the PL from next season onwards, the fact that the club has not tried harder to stay up (by buying the players that would have made the difference), one can only speculate how much as-yet uncovered stuff has been going on behind the scenes.
I don't believe that Garde has particularly covered himself in glory. However, with the shift in the management team above him, he should be given the chance to stay - if he's prepared to do so - and shape the future we all want.
As far as next season is concerned, money should be budgeted to offload / pay up the wasters. Furthermore, money should be given to persuade the players we do want to remain, to commit 12 months more to the club. Finally, our scouting effort should focus on emerging 2nd and 3rd players to blend into the core of the squad that will remain.

[Ron Manager]

Surely a Brian Little presence in the dressing room would help Garde, he seems to be fighting a one man battle and to have a Villa legend walk among the players showing his support for the manager may give Remi a little (no pun intended) breathing space.

He already has a Villa"legend" working in his team. His name is Gordon Cowans. Personally I don't think think Brian Little will make any difference. Graham Taylor
could have but Lerner has ignored him before and obviously Graham Taylor didnt like it.