Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[brian green]

I agree with Ads summation 100%.  If he goes our aspirational bar gets lowered again to wanting to be as good as the Albion.  We will get a Steve Bruce or a Billy Davies and the stats will improve.  I personally hate the idea of a Davies or a Bruce or a Pearson or a McClaren or a Warnock.  I want to see long term planning for the future.  The past is gone and cannot be changed.  The future cannot be one of the board and the players chewing up a manager and spitting him out.

[ZhongYi]

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.

[old man villa fan]

I agree with Ads summation 100%.  If he goes our aspirational bar gets lowered again to wanting to be as good as the Albion.  We will get a Steve Bruce or a Billy Davies and the stats will improve.  I personally hate the idea of a Davies or a Bruce or a Pearson or a McClaren or a Warnock.  I want to see long term planning for the future.  The past is gone and cannot be changed.  The future cannot be one of the board and the players chewing up a manager and spitting him out.

Well said, Brian.  I also agree with you on Ads excellent post.

We have to try and get some stability.  There are very few British managers that can build a squad based on youth and limited financial resources.  Possibly because most have gone straight to management, without climbing the ladder through the levels of coaching.  I believe that Garde has been through the right apprenticeship to know what is required.  I would trust him to build the respect and confidence of the players in him by allowing to ditch the dregs that have been left at the club from previous managers.

 

[brian green]

So it's a vote for Pulis from you then Zhong?

[Brian Taylor]

Remi
Aminnu Umar. Nigeeian. Get this lad. Spectacular goal scorer. English speaking. Better than benteke. Plays in Ankara Turkey for osmanlispor. Swop anyone for him. Two French speaking player also. Very entertaining 2-3 away win today.

[Brian Taylor]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aminu_Umar

[Diablo]

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.

If Garde did have an awful start in the championship he would obviously be under pressure. However may I just say Tony Cascarino is an absolute idiot (there that's are me feel better).

[ZhongYi]

no Brian. No not a vote from me for Tony Pulis. That would compound the small time mentality that has beseiged the image of Aston Villa in the public perception since they brought in Alex McLeish.

To put it into perspective, if Newcastle with an owner like Mike Ashley can appoint Rafa Benitez then surely in god's name Villa can do something like that? That is the kind of calibre of a manager Villa should be going for not the likes of Pearson, Grayson, Southgate even McLaren which all of whom will probably be in the hiring line soon.

Rafa would have taken the Villa job but they baulked at his request for a 40m kitty or something like that.

Anyway, its a no to Pulis to answer your question.

[ZhongYi]

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.

If Garde did have an awful start in the championship he would obviously be under pressure. However may I just say Tony Cascarino is an absolute idiot (there that's are me feel better).

yeah but he got it right when he was the first so called media pundot to call out Benitez as the man to sort out Chelsea who went on to win the Europa league that season.

[Percy McCarthy]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid

I liked him because I thought he was intelligent. Then he stupidly re-enacted Houllier's idiocy in castigating players he has to rely on. Expose them as the wankers they undoubtedly are when you can get rid of them, not when you're stuck with them.

[Diablo]

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

Not a diss, respect your post. But to compare the situation to 2 other disastrous seasons in post 82 timeline: well, McNeill and Venglos had to manage another person's players for a season (albeit 6 games McNeill) and Doug at his point of ultra-super austerity only sanctioned one signing for each respective manager - Warren Aspinall and Gary Penrice, yet they were not the manager's signings they were Doug Ellis'. In the case of McNeill, whilst being the biggest tosser ever to set foot in the Villa Manager's office, he did record more than 2 league wins that season. And he had a bounce effect as well.

Read it somewhere lately that Garde is over using the "its not my squad" argument to hide behind his own failings. And Tony Cascarino is spot on as well with what he says. So Worse hand dealt or not, if he, Garde stays as manager of Aston Villa he will be out the door by October/ November next season in the same way the likes of "OGS" at Cardiff and Felix Magathe at Fulham were.

Villa should not have appointed Remi Garde.

If Garde did have an awful start in the championship he would obviously be under pressure. However may I just say Tony Cascarino is an absolute idiot (there that's are me feel better).

yeah but he got it right when he was the first so called media pundot to call out Benitez as the man to sort out Chelsea who went on to win the Europa league that season.

I didn't know that fair play. But rather than Cascarino being a soothsayer with mystic powers I'd think it was more probable that he was given a tip off with his Chelsea connections prior to the Benitez appointment. Good shout though Benitez did a great job at Chelsea under difficult circumstances. I take comfort in the fact that even a stopped clock is right twice a day ;-)

[oswald funkletrumpet]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid

You changed the argument slightly although I do agree on that. He's not wrong though.

totally agree with you

its a bit like a poor performer at work, bollock them on their own and not in the middle of the office in front of 50 people.

if you call them out then you have to back it up with dropping them.

onwards and upwards!

[ez]

I can't see how getting a new manager in changes anything on the pitch. The squad has been crap for a long time now under 2 different managers.

[pauliewalnuts]

The club to me, for the last five years, has looked like a school with no teachers. It just bobs along, nobody in control, the players doing what they like.

That lack of leadership starts right at the top.

I would give garde a season to see what he can do, it is tough judging him against the cluster fuck of this season. I want to see him move on some of the utter shit we have now, and bring in some of his own choice.

He has made mistakes too, obviously, but I'd rather see what he can do than resort to someone like Pearson - I see his name come up here and I think some of us must hate ourselves for wanting him.

[ZhongYi]

@Diablo yeah well maybe Cas does have some kind of mystic powers, he was signed by Millwall for a set of trackuits and some corrigated iron and went on to play for Villa, Celtic, Marseille and Chelsea. Not to mention a World Cup Quarter Final with Ireland. He may not be everyone's favourite Villain but when he comes out with what are occasional printed media statements concerning football clubs he is usually not far wrong.

And I am not a fan either but he was good value alongside Patrick Kinghorn.

anyway, respect man. my original reason for contributing to the debate was cos i disagree with the "its not my squad" argument that seems to be coming from Villa Park as a viable excuse. Remi Garde was hired in the main to unite the dressing room and by all accounts he hasn't and any grand olde football club with any proper self respect does not/should not retain a manager that gets you relegated.