Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[oswald funkletrumpet]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

[dave shelley]

Woods and trees.

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I'd like to see Garde get next season.

It's almost disingenuous to say 2 wins in half a season (which I'd  agree is desperate) but on the other hand bemoan that this is the worst squad in 140 years of history.

I think it also ignores the Norwich-Liverpool gap where something must have happened for the team to surrender as they did. There are a core of players who are entirely parasticial and it's not just wages they drain but also the intangible elements necessary in a team; spirit, élan, unity, mental grit etc.

They have corroded at the coffers and the aspirations of a number of previous managers.

Now Garde sits with the remnants of O'Neill, McLiesh, Lambert and Sherwood era players, some of whom contribute zero and drain 5% of the wage budget. How can a manager make  silk purse out of such a disparate group of ideas and personalities? You're supposed to blend a squad together, where quality is important but also the fit of the player too. We don't have that. We have Gabby, N'Zogbia, Guzan, Young and Hungry/Cheap and Crap, French players in their first season, Old and Past Its; what a fudge.

Throw all that onto the most dire of circumstances in November with there being no confidence and it's a miracle he stopped the bleeding at all, before the infection that is the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Gabby and Richards tore the wound open again.

And then the ultimate insult; he wasnt backed in January. When you think of the importance of a manager having their own players, you think of the role Garde himself played in helping Wenger revolutionise Arsenal's thinking. He's been denied that presence in his own dressing room.

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?

[Clampy]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

[PaulWinch again]

I'd like to see Garde get next season.

It's almost disingenuous to say 2 wins in half a season (which I'd  agree is desperate) but on the other hand bemoan that this is the worst squad in 140 years of history.

I think it also ignores the Norwich-Liverpool gap where something must have happened for the team to surrender as they did. There are a core of players who are entirely parasticial and it's not just wages they drain but also the intangible elements necessary in a team; spirit, élan, unity, mental grit etc.

They have corroded at the coffers and the aspirations of a number of previous managers.

Now Garde sits with the remnants of O'Neill, McLiesh, Lambert and Sherwood era players, some of whom contribute zero and drain 5% of the wage budget. How can a manager make  silk purse out of such a disparate group of ideas and personalities? You're supposed to blend a squad together, where quality is important but also the fit of the player too. We don't have that. We have Gabby, N'Zogbia, Guzan, Young and Hungry/Cheap and Crap, French players in their first season, Old and Past Its; what a fudge.

Throw all that onto the most dire of circumstances in November with there being no confidence and it's a miracle he stopped the bleeding at all, before the infection that is the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Gabby and Richards tore the wound open again.

And then the ultimate insult; he wasnt backed in January. When you think of the importance of a manager having their own players, you think of the role Garde himself played in helping Wenger revolutionise Arsenal's thinking. He's been denied that presence in his own dressing room.

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?

Excellent summary and I agree whole heartedly.

[brontebilly]

I'd like to see Garde get next season.

It's almost disingenuous to say 2 wins in half a season (which I'd  agree is desperate) but on the other hand bemoan that this is the worst squad in 140 years of history.

I think it also ignores the Norwich-Liverpool gap where something must have happened for the team to surrender as they did. There are a core of players who are entirely parasticial and it's not just wages they drain but also the intangible elements necessary in a team; spirit, élan, unity, mental grit etc.

They have corroded at the coffers and the aspirations of a number of previous managers.

Now Garde sits with the remnants of O'Neill, McLiesh, Lambert and Sherwood era players, some of whom contribute zero and drain 5% of the wage budget. How can a manager make  silk purse out of such a disparate group of ideas and personalities? You're supposed to blend a squad together, where quality is important but also the fit of the player too. We don't have that. We have Gabby, N'Zogbia, Guzan, Young and Hungry/Cheap and Crap, French players in their first season, Old and Past Its; what a fudge.

Throw all that onto the most dire of circumstances in November with there being no confidence and it's a miracle he stopped the bleeding at all, before the infection that is the likes of Westwood, Bacuna, Gabby and Richards tore the wound open again.

And then the ultimate insult; he wasnt backed in January. When you think of the importance of a manager having their own players, you think of the role Garde himself played in helping Wenger revolutionise Arsenal's thinking. He's been denied that presence in his own dressing room.

I can't think of a Villa manager given a worst hand to play with and he's been taped to the desk so he can't overturn the table.

How do you judge a manager, in the context of that? The football equivalent of Berlin in April 1945 and say with a straight face that 2 in 18 and it's a simple as that?

taped to the desk? you make it sound like he is a coal miner in communist Russia

He is an incredibly well paid football manager that results are showing is doing a very poor job, regardless of the constraints

Garde could have left in Jan when it became clear that the board had given up on him and the club's efforts to stay in the division

Yet he stayed, evidently content to pick up his wages for little effort, like the players he castigates on a weekly basis.

I liked Garde no nonsense style when he came in and hoped it would work out.

But as every manager knows, even Mourinho this year, if you start openly castigating the "senior players" in your dressing room, then there generally is only one winner.

Without funds to replace the likes of Gabby, Richards and Guzan, Garde first tried to replace them with the likes of Bunn, Hutton, Bacuna, Kozak, Gestede etc. But he quickly realised they were crap too. Injuries ruled out other options so he has been forced to go back with to those he ran out of the first team early on.

So we are left with a non trying manager and non trying players.

Proud history, bright future I think

[oswald funkletrumpet]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

[Clampy]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

[ez]

The squad was was a busted flush before he arrived. I'd keep Remi because he wants to change it. That's the only way it's going to get better. Nobody's going to prove themselves either way with these players.

[oswald funkletrumpet]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid

[Steve67]

If Garde stays, the board are going to have to back him and allow him to get rid of the players who need shifting and bring in his own players. If he gets that backing, and stays, then I am all for it.  However, I also fully understand what others are saying as he doesn't seem to be able to motivate players.  Do we stick with Garde and potentially spend an extra season in the Championship in the hope that he gets the backing and gets it right, or do we go out and get someone who knows that league and has something of a track record? Tough choice, I am happy either way.  That said, Garde has to hit the ground running if he stays, get the crap players gone and start to build the faith and confidence of his own squad.  FWIW, I haven't seen anything in Garde as yet that tells me he has the nuts for the rebuild, especially given that this will be at the at the lower level of the Championship, a league he will have little knowledge of, one would think.  However, I am happy to back him as long as the board don't dither for too long if he doesn't come up with the goods.

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You misunderstood the metaphor. If you don't like the hand, flip the table over. He couldn't, because his hands were tied as nobody was willing to back him in the transfer market. The only solution is to cut out the malignant  elements. That should have started in January and it's a scandal that we didn't and simply surrendered.

[Clampy]

i am still bewildered why some think garde is a feasible option moving forward

2 wins in what 18 games and at least a minus 20 gd

yes the majority of players arent up to villa standard but he has made no improvement whatsover in fact we are getting worse

yet if he stays all will be well next season?

on the os he says "i believe we can win many games before the end of the season"

really? based on 2 wins in half a season?

whatever

He's hardly going to sit there and say we're doomed and we're never going to win another game is he?

dont say anything then

he has a worse record than mcneill yet is absolved from blame and is the man to get us out of the championship

heaven help us

It's a bit hard not to speak at a press conference.

if you are going to critisize players dont do it at a press conerence do it behind closed doors

beause then when it unsurprisgly goes tits up and said players still get picked, sulk, dont try and we get battered it makes you look stupid

You changed the argument slightly although I do agree on that. He's not wrong though.

[dave shelley]

Call me naive but, Remi Garde by his own admission tried to sign players during the January window.  They didn't arrive due to the reasons he has given, that's not his fault.

I offer the suggestion that he was told by Hollis to keep his powder dry and try to make the proverbial silk purse.  He then may have been told of the future plans regarding the restructuring of the board and the incoming personnel. 

Now that has happened; he could have then been promised a transfer kitty of sorts for the summer, and his demeanour over the last few days suggests that he's heard something that he's happy with.

I don't feel qualified to argue in depth because of my irregular attendances but I was at the Burnley game on the final day last season and the again for the Watford match in November and there was a definite improvement in the style of play and application.  I could actually see what they were trying to do.

I hope a decision is made by both parties that sees Remi Garde given the opportunity to begin another Renaissance.  Looking at some of the alternatives: Billy Davies, Nigel Pearson,  Tiny et al, sends a shudder through me of seismic proportions.

[Toronto Villa]

His comments about having offered his opinions as part of the inquiry being conducted at the club fill me with hope. Because hopefully he is being included in the solution.