Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Des Little]

They've got some front, our players. The fucking cheek of criticising anyone but themselves. Look in the mirror, lads. You're all absolutely shit.

[1_Pablo_Angel]

They've got some front, our players. The fucking cheek of criticising anyone but themselves. Look in the mirror, lads. You're all absolutely shit.

Was my reaction to seeing the story also.

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

As for this bit:

Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

If they worked in a 'proper' job in a 'proper' industry, they all would've been sacked long ago. No severance pay, no payment to cover end of contract, no fucking bonus, nothing. I'd be happy if all of those ****** left tomorrow. Twats.

[Villa in Denmark]

There's a little ditty on the "songs" thread that sums them up perfectly.

Whoever came up with the cattle prod idea, we could run them round Bodymoor a few times with the aid of the cattle prod before dumping them outside the gates.  They really are an odious bunch of contemptuous wankers.

[Steve67]

All this talk of committee's to sign players, getting the right structure in place! Sir Brian, BFR and Sir Graham didn't need recruitment committees or worry and concern about structure. Back to basics might be the way to go. Find a decent Manager, yeah I know, this is Villa!! But appointing the right man is half the battle.

The article from the Telegraph tells me that the lack of leadership also runs as deep as the dressing room as the Manager is as absent as the owner.

[AV89]

Has someone actually been paid to put this article together?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/03/10-reasons-why-aston-villa-must-sack-remi-garde-and-hire-paolo-di-canio-5730911/

[A Northern Soul]

If Remi goes, and if Burnley don't go up, I would hope we would look at Dyche. Good track record at championship level, Burnley play decent football, he can spot a goal scorer, generally seems to bring players on and looks like he has the ability to impose himself and his will on the squad - without being a Pearson bully.
Sad that we would ever need to consider this but he ticks more boxes than most.

[dave.woodhall]

Has someone actually been paid to put this article together?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/03/03/10-reasons-why-aston-villa-must-sack-remi-garde-and-hire-paolo-di-canio-5730911/

Probably not.

[Villa in Denmark]

All this talk of committee's to sign players, getting the right structure in place! Sir Brian, BFR and Sir Graham didn't need recruitment committees or worry and concern about structure. Back to basics might be the way to go. Find a decent Manager, yeah I know, this is Villa!! But appointing the right man is half the battle.

The article from the Telegraph tells me that the lack of leadership also runs as deep as the dressing room as the Manager is as absent as the owner.

There are 2 arguments against the all powerful manager.

1. Less chance of getting completely f##ked over if someone does an O'Neill Flounce. The idea is that you recruit a coach that will fit with what you're already doing. Just as Southampton and Swansea have done.

2. In the days of SGT, BFR and the one who walks on water, they weren't expected to keep tabs on just about every player on the planet (or in the case of O'Neill, every player on your side of the English Channel). 
These days you need people who can trawl through the vast amounts of data and scouting reports to try and sift through players from every continent. Whether or not Paddy Reilly is any good at his job, taking the piss and calling him Playstation or X Box because he does that number crunching is plain wrong.  How do you thing the likes of Park Joo-Ho made his way from the Japanese J-League to Basel before ending up at Dortmund?  Because I bet Klöpp hadn't spent too many airmiles flying to Tokyo.
Also someone else managing the contracts avoids a.) O'Neill style madness with Habib Beye. b.) Hopefully a repeat of the Delph situation, which we're probably going to run into with Okore as well.

The manager only has to manage and coach the squad.  All of the ball ache admin is removed. All of the rough cut scouting is removed.  The shocking thing is that it's 2016 and that's how well run clubs have been doing it for as long as Lerner's been here and before.
Pre Lerner it was Doug doing everything except scouting. Post Doug it was O'Neill doing everything (apart from managing the contracts well) and then nothing.

[django]

As for this bit:

Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

If there's any truth in that article those players might have a valid reason to question Garde. Why wouldn't he come to the dressing room when things have gone particularly badly. It doesn't sound like he communicates with them particularly well, it doesn't sound like they are being well prepared for games, and then he questions their ability and professionalism publicly before and after every game. The newer arrivals have been blamed by the media and the previous manager so no wonder they're not happy either.

The story could all be bullshit, and the players are all responsible too but it's not a ringing endorsement of Garde.

[tomd2103]

If Remi goes, and if Burnley don't go up, I would hope we would look at Dyche. Good track record at championship level, Burnley play decent football, he can spot a goal scorer, generally seems to bring players on and looks like he has the ability to impose himself and his will on the squad - without being a Pearson bully.
Sad that we would ever need to consider this but he ticks more boxes than most.

If some of these rumours regarding Garde are true, then I just can't see how he can possibly stay.  If we are back in the market for a manager this summer I would hope we would be looking for someone who not only could take us up, but could also keep us up in the first couple of seasons.  Not sure the likes of Dyche and Pearson could do that.

[django]

It depends on the backing they'd get but I'd be fairly confident that Dyche could get us up and keep us up with a Burnley style level of investment. Even if he couldn't I suspect he'd leave us in better shape rather than worse.

[brontebilly]

As for this bit:

Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

To be fair Hutton gives his all each game, its just he is a really poor footballer

Bunn has just been thrown into that group randomly, he isnt even second division standard lets be honest.

these long serving players above can do one, they will be playing against us next term with the likes of Bristol City and Leeds

[croatian]

If Remi goes, and if Burnley don't go up, I would hope we would look at Dyche. Good track record at championship level, Burnley play decent football, he can spot a goal scorer, generally seems to bring players on and looks like he has the ability to impose himself and his will on the squad - without being a Pearson bully.
Sad that we would ever need to consider this but he ticks more boxes than most.

Totally agree.
I had a conversation with a Burnley fan recently, apparently Dyche runs a very tight ship with his squad. You do it his way or you're shipped out. Immediately. He has a code of conduct governing the players interaction with fans, autograph requests, social media activity etc.
Reckon we could do with this.
He's numero uno for me.

[Toronto Villa]

As for this bit:

Broadly the squad is split into two camps: on one side the long-serving players such as Gabby Agbonlahor, Alan Hutton, Leandro Bacuna, Ciaran Clark, Brad Guzan, Mark Bunn as well as Joleon Lescott and Micah Richards. On the other side are the new arrivals, many of them from France, including Jordan Ayew, Idrissa Gana and Jordan Veretout as well as Aly Cissokho. The latter group feel, with some justification, that they are being blamed for all the club’s problems.

With the exception of Bunn, there's not a single one in that group I'd piss on if he were on fire. Not one.

What if you had just consumed a couple of gallons of petrol?