Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.

[old man villa fan]

I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.

The impossible dream?

[Percy McCarthy]

Players stay. managers go. no club in our position is going to shift players on long well paid contracts to clubs who won't pay them the same or similar.  People should take off the claret and blue glasses for a moment and think if you were a player on 30k a week, would you go to a club offering 15K? Not a chance. We will obviously listen to offers for those that have maybe shown promise (Ayew etc..) but the rest....well the club aren't going to pay up their contracts, so its upto the manager to get something out of them, whether thats Garde or some other poor sap.

Aren't you ruling out the possibility that the players' contracts have relegation clauses?

[Zouch Villa]

Repeating the sentiment of a number of previous posts, I have more faith in Garde than I did in any of our last three incumbents.

I would be happy to see him dismantle this awful squad in the summer to shape something of his own.  Unfortunately, I have no confidence in those running the club to have the courage and conviction to fully back him without hamstrung conditions, so suspect he will go 'by mutual agreement' at the end of another shambolic season.

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I wouldn't imagine there s a player at the club, whose contract doesn't expire in June, without a relegation clause of circa 30%.

[Zouch Villa]

I wouldn't imagine there s a player at the club, whose contract doesn't expire in June, without a relegation clause of circa 30%.

With the mis-management of the last few years, I'm afraid that nothing would surprise me now. Basic common sense should say that all contracts have relegation clauses, but we've seen little of that in these parts recently.

[Dante Lavelli]

I wouldn't imagine there s a player at the club, whose contract doesn't expire in June, without a relegation clause of circa 30%.

That along with their egos demanding they dine at the top table should be enough to shift a fair few of the players.  I cannot see Richards thinking he is a championship player for example.

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I hope so. We might even be able to get a couple of million for the chump and buy a real right back with an attitude to match his ability.

[PaulWinch again]

I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.

Yes but just because you define an improvement as winning a number of games doesn't mean that what Garde has done with us isn't an improvement. Also there a two factors that people seem to ignore, yes Sherwood got a bounce out of the team but he had a spine of Benteke, Delph, Vlaar in there. I'm pretty sure Garde would be happy with those three. Also Sherwood's isolation on the players we signed from France in the summer meant that when Garde took over he basically was starting from scratch with them, but in the middle of the season. If you remove the Liverpool result, as it was a bit of an anomaly, we've been competetive in most games we've played under Garde. I bet if Sherwood had done a better job of integrating our new players we wouldn't be cut adrift now.

[Ormy Droid]

They'll be some takers for Richards, yes. But even with a 30% relegation clause, it's not going to be easy to shift the likes of Gabby, Guzan, Kozak and Lescott et al off the books. How are they ever going to get the wages they're on at Villa anywhere else, even with the injection of yet more money into the Premier League and our readiness to give them away for nothing. They will all be a massive drain on our resources/ability to bounce back at the first attempt.

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Lescott and Kozak would be in their final year of contract at least. Heavens knows how we get shot of the other two.

[paul_e]

I don't particularly want to get rid of Garde, but if you look at our results since he came in, they're pretty crap. I can't see why we'd be gutted to lose him.

Shit players to deal with, yes, but unable to inspire any kind of real improvement with results, that's disappointing.

I'm pretty sure our points per game stat has increased, so there has been an improvement.  Plus that is without any of his own players and a squad which is broken spirit.  He could still be shit, but I don't think it is fair to say that there has not been an improvement.

An improvement in my eyes means winning a number of games. We've not done that and Garde hasn't really done anything to set the flames of the players and/or fans going.

No matter how shit a bunch of players, you'd like to think a new manager would have a good impact, but he's had, at best and being generous, a moderate impact.

Sherwood had a very good impact - he was just crap long term.

Yes but just because you define an improvement as winning a number of games doesn't mean that what Garde has done with us isn't an improvement. Also there a two factors that people seem to ignore, yes Sherwood got a bounce out of the team but he had a spine of Benteke, Delph, Vlaar in there. I'm pretty sure Garde would be happy with those three. Also Sherwood's isolation on the players we signed from France in the summer meant that when Garde took over he basically was starting from scratch with them, but in the middle of the season. If you remove the Liverpool result, as it was a bit of an anomaly, we've been competetive in most games we've played under Garde. I bet if Sherwood had done a better job of integrating our new players we wouldn't be cut adrift now.

I've said before, he came in and said the fitness levels weren't good enough so the first 4-5 weeks where a bounce would normally happen he was busy trying to stabilise things after a long run of defeats and get the team as fit as he wanted.  If you look at the results since then it's 11 points in 12 games, not groundbreaking but over the entire season it would put us level with Sunderland, Norwich and Newcastle and give us a real chance.  Even with the Liverpool result we have 8 points from 7 games in 2016, Far from great but it's 43-44 points over a season and sees us comfortable.  The huge run of defeats under Sherwood and the time it took to repair the damage from it is what has cost us this season and I firmly believe that, by the end of the season, Garde will have a record of better than a point per game.  It won't be enough to save us but it should earn him the support to try to get us back up (his record is 12 points from 16 right now I believe).  I think we'll end up with 32-34 points and be 4-6 from safety.

[PeterWithesShin]

They'll be some takers for Richards, yes. But even with a 30% relegation clause, it's not going to be easy to shift the likes of Gabby, Guzan, Kozak and Lescott et al off the books. How are they ever going to get the wages they're on at Villa anywhere else, even with the injection of yet more money into the Premier League and our readiness to give them away for nothing. They will all be a massive drain on our resources/ability to bounce back at the first attempt.

Well all 3 only have a year left, we'll probably shift Lescott if we and and him want it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone came in for Guzan and I doubt Kozak is earning a fortune.

[Ormy Droid]

They'll be some takers for Richards, yes. But even with a 30% relegation clause, it's not going to be easy to shift the likes of Gabby, Guzan, Kozak and Lescott et al off the books. How are they ever going to get the wages they're on at Villa anywhere else, even with the injection of yet more money into the Premier League and our readiness to give them away for nothing. They will all be a massive drain on our resources/ability to bounce back at the first attempt.

Well all 3 only have a year left, we'll probably shift Lescott if we and and him want it, I wouldn't be surprised if someone came in for Guzan and I doubt Kozak is earning a fortune.

I thought Gabby had another two years after this summer (I'm really, really hoping I'm wrong. Please tell me I'm wrong). I would be surprised if someone came in for Guzan, unless they just wanted a crap third keeper and were rich enough to waste £20-25k a week on him. And Kozak will be earning a fortune by Championship standards, even with a relegation clause thrown in.

I just think if we can't get rid of their wages this summer, it will impact on who we can bring in. We really need to bounce back straight away, parachute payments will only go down, leading to more cost cutting, and so on it goes.

[Tayls_7]

Steer / Bunn
Hutton / Okore / Clark / Baker / Amavi
Veretout / Gueye / Gardner / Sanchez
Traore / Kozak / Gestede / Grealish / Sinclair

Allied to the kids and with 3-4 astute buys you must fancy we have enough quality to compete next season.

Most of our issues with the squad are attitudinal.

If we can prise these waistrels from their lucrative contracts ideally i'd dispense with -

Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Richardson, Westy, Gil, Flabby.

Get some real senior leaders in with half a brain cell between them, a pair of testicles (a pair each) and respect for the paying public.

Apologies if i've missed some obvious players.