Quote from: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PMUnder O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo. Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run. Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid. I completely disagree. We had some fit players (Milner and Young were the main ones but Gabby at that point would run all day as well) but as a squad I don't think we were at all. We played a sit deep and counter style which is good if you have 2-3 attacking players like that and it masks how unfit the squad is. John Terry made the state of squad quite clear by outright stating that their plan was to get to an hour safely and then watch us hit a wall. That happened a fair few times under mon and not always in March.
Under O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo. Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run. Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid.
Quote from: paul_e on February 24, 2016, 06:51:44 PMQuote from: supertom on February 24, 2016, 06:36:50 PMUnder O Neill we didn't suffer too much from injuries. We were also a fit side. Now of course we died on our ass in March, because he only used 14-15 players with any regularity, over the course of a season (watch Leicester in March-April) but still, up until the burnout (which even to the fittest bunch of players you could have, would be inevitable the way O Neill ran them), we lasted the distance in games and played at a high tempo. Since O Neill left we've been cluster-fucked by injuries. We've been hampered with dire fitness in which, throughout the entire seasons, we've been outfought and outrun and outlasted by the vast majority of our opponents. We've spent 5 years playing like the wheezy kid at school who has to take a 10 minute break half way round an 400 metre lap run. Our fitness levels still aren't good enough. Our injury record is a joke. I've no idea what our fitness team or medical team are doing. Whatever it is, it's not nearly warranting what they're getting paid. I completely disagree. We had some fit players (Milner and Young were the main ones but Gabby at that point would run all day as well) but as a squad I don't think we were at all. We played a sit deep and counter style which is good if you have 2-3 attacking players like that and it masks how unfit the squad is. John Terry made the state of squad quite clear by outright stating that their plan was to get to an hour safely and then watch us hit a wall. That happened a fair few times under mon and not always in March.Did Terry say this after Gabby scored his last minute goal against Chelsea in September 2007 or after our injury time penalty equaliser on Boxing Day a few months later? I can think of plenty of late goals under MON ( I haven't even whispered the Goodison goal in case Legion is still awake, though strangely my own favourite was Zat Knight's v Arsenal) but very few since. Terry was just being a twat, which is fair enough as you should always stick to your strengths.
I always thought that it was MON's reluctance to rotate his players or even use substitutes willingly, rather than a lack of fitness, that was to blame. Even with players like NRC, Sidwell and Gardner on the bench MON used to let Milner run himself into the ground game-in, game-out, for 90 minutes. And was then surprised when he ran out of steam in March.
Quote from: RussellC on February 25, 2016, 09:47:24 AMI always thought that it was MON's reluctance to rotate his players or even use substitutes willingly, rather than a lack of fitness, that was to blame. Even with players like NRC, Sidwell and Gardner on the bench MON used to let Milner run himself into the ground game-in, game-out, for 90 minutes. And was then surprised when he ran out of steam in March. Nowadays we're second to everything across the pitch in the vast majority of games from the first to the last minute. You could probably count the amount of games we've really played with a rocket up our jacksies on one hand in the last couple of seasons.
I hope the players who aren't committed get named and shamed one day.
Quote from: edgysatsuma89 on February 25, 2016, 12:16:52 PMI hope the players who aren't committed get named and shamed one day.Or at least don't pick them forSaturday ,stick the under 21's in instead. You can't moan about lack of commitment and then pick the players expecting a different result.
Drop those we aren't showing commitment and then we can make our own minds up about them. He doesn't have to publically name and shame them, just drop them and we will know. I think it's pretty obvious on the pitch who a few of them are anyway. What an unprofessional, awful rabble we've clubbed together.
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