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Author Topic: Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa  (Read 941086 times)

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4905 on: February 17, 2016, 10:25:13 PM »
I do not understand the 'right manager at the wrong time' comment. Yes, may be when he came in but now he is certainly the right manager to rebuild us.  The chance of staying up was very slim and with the constant injuries, together with poor attitude we are seeing now and not least bringing in players, it was in reality near impossible.  As fans, we always think there is a chance and I have been as optimistic as most but the writing has been on the wall. Just look at the options for the front six at the moment. On Sunday, it ran to the six Garde picked plus Sinclair. We have a couple of options at the back but that's about it.

Going forward we need a technical manager that can build a side on the right principles, not somebody that can just shout. We have a poor squad and shouting may work for a run of games but what then. In recent years, the teams that have come up have generally been 'footballing' sides or fast counter attacking. Yes, they have been hard to beat but that has been because they have taken the game to the opposition, not because they just battled.

I feel Garde is the right man but needs the support of the Board in being able to do things as he sees fit. That doesn't mean spending lots of money but allowing him to weed out the wasters and poor players.

I think he'll be the right man next season if he can get his back room staff from Lyon in the summer. They may turn out to be the most important signings on the assumption the club give him the assurances over the changes he wants to make. I think they are very important to the way he manages.

The decisions the club makes in the next 3/4 months will determine whether we will have the tools to come straight back or whether we are out of this league for a long time.

Good point. And if there's any truth in the speculation that the older, English players have downed tools in anticipation of another change of manager it would spell out quite clearly to them that the revolution is permanent so they'd better either get used to it or eff off.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4906 on: February 17, 2016, 10:25:41 PM »
At the risk of setting myself up for a right shoeing, but Paddy Reilly, the guy everyone takes the piss out of with PlayStation and X Box jokes is the same Paddy Reilly that turned up Veretout, Amavi, Ayew and Gueye?

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4907 on: February 17, 2016, 10:28:59 PM »
At the risk of setting myself up for a right shoeing, but Paddy Reilly, the guy everyone takes the piss out of with PlayStation and X Box jokes is the same Paddy Reilly that turned up Veretout, Amavi, Ayew and Gueye?

That one baffles me too.

It reminds me of the days (pre-proof of corrupt practices) when people would moan and wail about the cartel of the Sky4 Champs. League dickheads and then when Platini tried to clip their wings there's be a circling of the nationalist wagons and cries of 'he hates us cuz we're English'.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4908 on: February 17, 2016, 10:33:02 PM »
Some of the posts above seem to come from the English 'commitment and fight' school of management. Shouting and looking angry is not leadership.
I'd settle for someone who looks like they have a pulse. Most of the players and now the management look like they've just been stuffed into the fridge at the local morgue.
I feel for Garde and he has some of the right ideas but he's not got the dressing room on board, which regardless of circumstances, is a huge failing. And since the transfer window he just seems completely done. The job looks like a pain in the fucking ass (and it is).

Pearson probably would have kept us up. Okay long term he wouldn't be fantastic, but football isn't about long term these days. It's fight to survive, or spunk gazillions on buying the title. The odd anomaly aside (Leicester for this year only), the league is quite predictable. Spend and you do pretty well. Don't and your fucked. Ultimately a good structure and running of the club puts you on a good footing. The bottom three currently are the most shambolic clubs in the top flight. Each are an insult to football and stink to high heaven because of the poor infrastructure and we should have been flushed long before now.

Garde's not going to rouse the troops. I don't think there's any way back for him. He's not got the right approach. He's not got any backing and he's rapidly losing the will to drag himself out of bed in the morning by the look of him. By May he'll look like Harry Redknapps arse. I don't see him coming back refreshed and full of fight in the summer. I see us draining the lifeblood out of the poor fucker. Sack him off, and get some gruff grunting bastard like Pearson who knows that league and will growl us into shape. It's the only way under this current regime.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4909 on: February 17, 2016, 10:36:27 PM »
OMVF

When I say Garde is the right man at the wrong time this season, it's because I see him as definitely the right sort of football man we need, just that someone who seems to be a decent human being doesn't deserve to have to put up with the shit he's taking from all sides and no support from above.

When I say that next season he could be the wrong man at the right time, it's because I fear we (Fox et al) are daft enough to "relieve him of his duties by mutual consent" at the point where he'd actually have the chance to start with pretty much a clean sheet of paper.  All of the mercenaries would be gone or go (Christ, Richards might actually do something useful and bring in a couple of million in a fee.). Hopefully most of the overpaid dross would have sufficient cuts in relegation clauses that we'd stand a chance of shifting some of them too.

If you're going to essentially build a team from scratch, you need intelligence, an understanding of how you want the team to work and an understanding of how the majority of 25 individuals are going to function as human beings and pull together, essentially forcing the rest into line.

If there was one point where we really f¤¤ked up in the summer (over and above keeping Sherwood) it was that the signings were overall not bad as individual players, but it's easy to see how the open divisions that are still there could have quickly developed, especially in the light of reports of things like Sherwood apparently not talking to Veretout again after the shirt stretching session.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4910 on: February 17, 2016, 10:40:31 PM »
You know he can only pick from who is there.
UTV, Remi.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4911 on: February 17, 2016, 10:46:47 PM »
Pearson would make a degree of sense -though not right now, Garde might as well grim it out for the rest of this fetid campaign.

But pretty much all our appointments post O'Neill have given the obvious name the swerve.  So with that in mind, I think it will either be Bobby Gould or Charles N Zog as player manager.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4912 on: February 17, 2016, 10:50:39 PM »
Pearson would make a degree of sense -though not right now, Garde might as well grim it out for the rest of this fetid campaign.

But pretty much all our appointments post O'Neill have given the obvious name the swerve.  So with that in mind, I think it will either be Bobby Gould or Charles N Zog as player manager.
Pearson would not make any sense at all.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4913 on: February 17, 2016, 10:52:08 PM »
Charles N Zog as player manager.

I honestly don't think the English language would be up to the job if that happened

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4914 on: February 17, 2016, 10:53:51 PM »
Some of the posts above seem to come from the English 'commitment and fight' school of management. Shouting and looking angry is not leadership.


Pearson probably would have kept us up.

Opinions, and all that, but to me this is nonsense.  The players aren't good enough.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4915 on: February 17, 2016, 10:54:16 PM »
Pearson would make a degree of sense -though not right now, Garde might as well grim it out for the rest of this fetid campaign.

But pretty much all our appointments post O'Neill have given the obvious name the swerve.  So with that in mind, I think it will either be Bobby Gould or Charles N Zog as player manager.

I think they are capable of appointing Trevor Francis

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4916 on: February 17, 2016, 10:55:01 PM »
Of course he would.

He is available and has only recently kept a team up from what looked like a hopeless position. He also got that same team out of the championship, which odds on is where we are going.

He's not your choice (wouldn't be mine either) but that's a different thing altogether.

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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4917 on: February 17, 2016, 10:56:38 PM »
McGrath was quick, big and good in the air and one of the best centre halves to kick a ball. Brutal is how I'd describe facing that.

Villa Park is a nice place to come and play. Next season sides should be looking at the beams and reading about five league cups, 7 FA Cups, 7 league titles and a European Cup. Then they should look to their right and see quality players whose attitude to competing and winning is as intimidating as the silverware on show.

Players who can chew gravel, who will pass, run and kick you off B6, because you're not worthy to step out onto our turf Mr Second Division player. You're a tourist, a spectator. You dont belong here. You have no business being on our pitch, but seeing as you are, you will learn it the hard way. Take your selfies for Instagram on the way out, because you won't be coming again.

We can't buy World Class like McGrath. We can buy quality though, physically and for the first time in a long time, mentally.
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Re: Remi Garde - Officially - Welcome to Aston Villa
« Reply #4918 on: February 17, 2016, 10:59:46 PM »
Of course he would.

He is available and has only recently kept a team up from what looked like a hopeless position. He also got that same team out of the championship, which odds on is where we are going.

He's not your choice (wouldn't be mine either) but that's a different thing altogether.

No way.

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« Reply #4919 on: February 17, 2016, 11:12:25 PM »
Of course he would.

He is available and has only recently kept a team up from what looked like a hopeless position. He also got that same team out of the championship, which odds on is where we are going.

He's not your choice (wouldn't be mine either) but that's a different thing altogether.

No way.

If Garde were to leave, Chris Hughton would be my number one choice.

He's managed under difficult circumstances at Newscaslte and SHA.

He knows how to get promoted, see Newcastle and Norwich.

And his sides at Div 2 level play decent football.

We'd have to just get past a few of the morons that don't want him because he came from down the road.

 


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