Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Jon Crofts]

13 games left - it was at this point last season that Sherwood took over.

And we lost the first 2 league games under Dim Tim.

[eamonn]

didn't he get divorced whilst managing us? From experience a very traumatic process, especially when children are involved, and that's without the burden of  managing the mighty yet dysfunctional Villa

If it wasn't for Randy and Lambert's ex-wives, life would be a lot better for all of us.

[Ads]

Beat Liverpool and Stoke and we'll be in exactly the same position points wise as last season, with the number of games played.

We'd also be 3 points off 4th from bottom [my estimate] with the requirement of having to beat 4th from bottom.

A big ask, but you never know.

[rob_bridge]

Win on Sunday and chances of staying up improve to about 20%. Currently less than 10%

[TimTheVillain]

Do any of you know where Remi lives in Birmingham ?

In a house.

Well my source tells me it might be a very big house.

I heard it was in the country.

You heard incorrectly ...

[gpbarr]

Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

[Pat McMahon]

Beat Liverpool and Stoke and we'll be in exactly the same position points wise as last season, with the number of games played.

We'd also be 3 points off 4th from bottom [my estimate] with the requirement of having to beat 4th from bottom.

A big ask, but you never know.

Our problem is that Liverpool have almost a good a record at Villa Park as Man U in the last 20 years.

[Ad@m]

Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.

[ozzjim]

I think having shit loads of money and this the best squad you can buy helps those stats. I think lower down some firm of long term stability is moor productive.

[Mister E]

The way I saw it with Lambert was that the fact that Norwich flew up two divisions meant that he had no reason/opportunity to develop contingencies for those occasions when his plan A didn't work, which accordingly meant that with us, given our crap squad and lack of funds, he basically had no breathing room for experimentation.

I see what you're saying and I agree with the sentiment about being upwardly mobile with his two previous clubs. However, he did actually have plenty of scope for experimenting with us - remember the 'it is all about the kids' phase, followed by bringing in some gnarled pros.

[class-of-82]

Where does remi live ?
Ain't got a clue
But I bet he has a garde dog
And a body garde maybe a fire garde to

[Richard E]

Where does remi live ?
Ain't got a clue
But I bet he has a garde dog
And a body garde maybe a fire garde to

His garde 'n shed is bigger than my house, with a door and a window.

[class-of-82]

Boom boom

[gpbarr]

Precisely. History reflects strong evidence that consistently changing managers reaps little reward. Outside the fact Garde has obvious class and a clear ability to speak simple truths, we ought give him a proper chance to turn this around, as opposed judging him on the basis half a season managing someone else's pile of crap. The summer will be fascinating if he stays irrespective what league we are in.

I'm not for one minute advocating sacking Garde but what is this 'strong evidence' you refer to?

To give two glaring examples against this, Chelsea have had 10 managers in the past 8/9 years and have won 8 trophies.  Arsenal on the other hand have had one manager and have needed double that time to win the same number of trophies.

As ozzjim remarked, set aside the top 3 in the last decade (actually 12 years given only those 3 clubs have won the PL in that time) - Chelsea, Man City, and Man Utd were some of the biggest spenders not just in English football but world football during that time. Once you get past them, there is a connection between those clubs who have achieved long term stability / success (winning trophies is not the be all and end all IMO - competitive, attractive football would be a great start) and those who seem to consistently fluctuate all over the place, or for whom survival is an annual rite. Remember, hiring and firing managers is in and of itself a very costly business given pay offs, buy outs etc (and boy do we know about that at Villa), added to the associated costs with a new manager wanting a new team, new players and so forth. Its really hardly surprising its hard to engender stability when you keep changing managers.



   

 
 

[peter w]

If Garde was an ex Villa manager would he be an early Vic Crowe or an early Ron Saunders? I'm not thinking in terms of league position and players he has at his disposal but is is he having to turn it around to pass on to someone else to bring the club on even further? Or is he the one to take us further?