Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[SheffieldVillain]

Not having a decent striker a club is not his fault. But he Knows we haven't got one, he see's that, but he has done nothing to compensate for it.
Playing the game at walking pace, tippy tappy football the breaks down to nothing time and time and time again, 20 yards from goal, yet we persist with the same approach every single game.

It's not just not having a decent striker though, there are no goals in our team at all. No-one with a history of getting goals from midfield, no centre halves who reguarly score. How can you compensate for that?

[aj2k77]

It would be civil war between fans and the powers that be, Remi is one of the only things to cling to right now that bridges the gap between both. Without a manager, a shower of players and clueless buffoons attempting to run the show but sinking it hard and fast the fans I expect will turn very aggressive.

[walsall villain]

"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?

Maybe not this season but certainly for next, yes.  It'd be a disaster. I actually think he's the man we've needed for a long time, we just handed him the keys after the car had gone over the cliff.

We're already in the midst of a disaster and I'm afraid nothing will change till Lerner sells up no matter who is the manager.

So managers don't make a difference? So how come that lot down the road, with pure chaos at management level, are currently in the play off position?

[FranzBiberkopf]

It's not just not having a decent striker though, there are no goals in our team at all. No-one with a history of getting goals from midfield, no centre halves who reguarly score. How can you compensate for that?

Absolutely. Add to that two fullbacks who never score too, and its no wonder we're rock bottom.

Gana and Veretout. We spent > 15M on two central midfielders who have scored, what, 1 goal in all competitions between them? Blame the transfer committee, blame the manager(s), blame the team mates around them, but that is suicidal levels of incompetence in terms of what you need your central midfield pairing to deliver.

[ozzjim]

 In fairness I think those two are not the issue. The likes of Gil and Grealish were expected to contribute a lot more both creatively and with goals. Veretout has done OK with assists but there has been nothing from anyone else but Ayew.

[Mister E]

In an atmosphere of continual capitulation, it's no great surprise that none of the players are making material contributions. It is up to the manager and senior players to change the culture and it clearly ain't happening.
It may be slightly controversial to say but I don't believe we have particularly poor players - after all, the promoted clubs are not exactly stacked full of eye-catching star players. Our malaise is much deeper, around culture, discipline, personal accountability and self-belief.

[aj2k77]

Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

[Tony Erdington]

Remi is our manager, and as such I will support him, we need continuity and Remi seems the only person round VP with any credibility.

[Villa in Denmark]

"I will stay till the end of the season"  God I hope that's some lost in translation pigeon English type quote and not meant literally.

If Garde walks we are screwed, totally screwed.

Even if he did walk could it possibly get any worse considering we're already bottom of the table?

In absolute how low can we go, no. In every other way imaginable? Lots, and you shouldn't need too vibrant an imagination to see that.

You're right in that things won't get significantly better until there's some semblance of proper coherent management above the team manager, although allowing the manager the level of funding afforded to Lambert would probably help considerably.

The ramifications of Garde walking and by implication labelling the job impossible and toxic goods would do huge damage, potentially far more than that imposed by 9 years of incompetence.  Up until this year 18 months of sensible management, without needing to throw £100M at it would have stabilised the club in mid-table if it was utilised by a sensible manager.

Now, baring a change of ownership or Hollis proving he is capable of leading this organisation, it really is shit or bust. Making the painful assumption that we are down, there are 6 scenarios

1,2&3 - Garde stays and
1. we turn this around under Garde next season.
2. we sink like a stone.
3. We potter around in mid-table anonymity and Garde walks at the end of next season leading to the next scenarios 12 months later.

4,5&6 - Garde walks
4. We end up looking at the Steve Bruce's of this world and tread water for eternity, occasionally fluttering with promotion
5. Even the likes of Steve Bruce turn their noses up and we end up with a Bill Davies type condemned to lower mid table.
6. We luck out and find the next Brendan Rogers / Eddie Howe type.

Personally in order of probability I'd go

1, 3, 4 - rest don't bare thinking about.

[Villa in Denmark]

Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

[aj2k77]

Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.

[old man villa fan]

Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.

I do remember comments on here when we knew Gestede was going about signing him, way before we did.

[Villa in Denmark]

Saying that though Jack had never scored a goal and Carles was a 1 in 12 before he joined us, neither of them were going to be prolific. We went all in on this mid table championship striker idea.

That's what's so frustrating.  A half decent centre forward alongside Ayew and I reckon we'd have converted at least a third of a draws into wins and a couple of defeats (Watford for one) into draws, leaving us bang in the fight.

I just don't understand the summer thinking. First we tried Begovic because we know we had a bad un between the posts, couldn't get him, lined no one up instead. Second we tried Adebayor, bonkers idea anyway but we couldn't get him and instead drop a division and pay relative peanuts for a gamble.

It almost felt like we were losing Benteke and the club have gone ''right, who's good in the air?'' Paddy Reilly looks up the headed goals stats and see Gestede top of the list and then we buy him thinking it's a great idea. I can't believe anyone has watched Gestede for any length of time and thought he could fit in to this team.

I've heard it said that that's pretty much what happened except that when it became apparent that the Adebeyor deal was dead Sherwood was presented with a list of possible alternatives and pointed to Gestede.

It's also noticeable that the signings that are obvious Sherwood signings all come from the MON school of transfers.  Minimum 5 years experience in PL/Championship or SPL required.

[curlytailavfc]

I would just hand me notice in as this wont get any better and when we drop then the pressure will be so tense

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