Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[jembob]

Personally, I have no doubt that if Garde had started the season as manager we'd be well away from the drop zone.

Quite agree but he would have needed the pre-season and transfer window too. I thought at the time that we should have taken a longer term view after the debacle of the FA Cup final and disposed of Sherwood then.
What particulaly annoys me is the Premier League seems to be at an all time low in terms of quality and it should not be difficult to survive given a bit of endeavour. Sherwood was well out of his depth although Garde appears to be polishing a little shine to our turd of a squad.

[pauliewalnuts]

The stat results are flawed as they only take Sherwoods last 10 games (this season) to prove the point
What was his overall Win percentage ?
maybe that would be a bit better, you can prove anything you want by using and selecting only the worse results in a managers career

Maybe so, but the point made was that the results have not improved since Garde came. Garde can not do anything about last season's results.

[four fornicholl]

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

premier league games won

tim = 3 points
remi =3 points

that's a draw

fkn not good enough whichever way you look at it

please lets get a forward who might just give us a glimmer of hope

Oh, please.

So now, by your special criteria, only wins count? Draws get points too - I know draws are not enough, but that is not the question being debated here.

if you are going only on wins then you might as well make your life easier and just use wins against Bournemouth.

I also did not say anything about it being good enough - it clearly is not. The point LTA made was "the results are no better" - which is not true.

He even went on to say "the results don't lie" and then refused to stand by that when it was pointed out that the results are better.

as I said earlier I was trying to lighten the mood, but statistics can be manipulted

[pauliewalnuts]

Sorry I just saw that.

However, it wasn't me who brought up results in the first place!

[ez]

As well as Bunn instead of Guzan.

Nothing special about Bunn but critically he doesn't make stupid mental errors. He'll be the back up next season for that reason alone and Guzan sold.

You never know, he could be our new regular keeper. One goal conceded in 4 games. Admittedly he didn't have anything to do yesterday.

[four fornicholl]

Sorry I just saw that.

However, it wasn't me who brought up results in the first place!

nor me

[SamTheMouse]

Personally, I have no doubt that if Garde had started the season as manager we'd be well away from the drop zone.

Quite agree but he would have needed the pre-season and transfer window too. I thought at the time that we should have taken a longer term view after the debacle of the FA Cup final and disposed of Sherwood then.
What particulaly annoys me is the Premier League seems to be at an all time low in terms of quality and it should not be difficult to survive given a bit of endeavour. Sherwood was well out of his depth although Garde appears to be polishing a little shine to our turd of a squad.

This is the key thing, for me. I didn't like Sherwood and wasn't exactly chuffed when he was appointed, but there's an argument that the squad needed a fresh approach and a kick up the backside more than anything, just to get us over the finishing line to safety, and the cocky moron did provide that.

But he was never, ever going to be suitable for the long term. As soon as the season was over, we should have shook his hand, thanked him very much, paid him off and brought in Rémi to start the rebuilding.

Like a lot of what Randy does, the decisions themselves haven't necessarily been disastrous, but the timing has been shit.

[ciggiesnbeer]

SamTheMouse:

That would have been better looking back. At the time though it was pretty unthinkable. A signicant portion of us would have been in uproar at Lerner if he had sacked Sherwood over the summer (I know I would have thrown the "make your damn mind up" card at him). Even with the Southampton bunglefest and the Cup final debacle most of us were willing to blame the players for the end of season collapse.

Lerner probably expected the same as many of us this season. After giving the club all the Benteke money plus some extra we were all entitled to think relegation would not be anything to worry about in 2015/2016. Particularly given the manager openly saying that was a thing of the past.

It was only really four or six games in the penny started to drop for most of us. I dont blame Lerner or Fox or being surprised how quickly it went bad.

I do blame them for screwing up this transfer window and so far not backing Garde, but the speed with which sherwood nose dived took most of us by surprise I think.

[Liam_Baggies]

Ignore my input if you wish - I'd personally stay with Garde.

I thought the signs on Saturday were very encouraging in the long run. I thought you were far more of a team rather than the team of individuals that we faced in September. I thought you were a lot more compact too with a back four in unison, although our none existent attacking probably aided that somewhat. And more encouragingly, I thought you kept the ball much better which hasn't always been the case from what I've seen.

He joined in a pretty much hopeless situation, a team that wasn't good enough and had suffered due to the inept spiv that was in before him. The rebuilding job will be big, of that there is no doubt, players will leave for the better and new fresh blood will be recruited. Furthermore, I'd rather have a rebuilding job made in Garde's vision rather than the recycled shite of British managers that we get nowadays.

I also think he's shown great bottle to drop the likes of Grealish and Agbonlahor - although your situation may have looked doomed I don't think Grealish has helped matters off the pitch and his arrogant style on the pitch isn't needed either. I don't need to comment anymore on the latter. All that's left in the job is for him to bin off the likes of Guzan, Grealish and Gabby and build a side around Ayew, Gill, Okore and Verteout - whether they remain for a season of championship football (providing you drop) I'm not sure.

In addition, you need some stability, much like ourselves. The swap and change culture with no idea of identity or style in terms of recruitment and playing style has to come to an end at some point.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Cheers Liam. Appreciate your views.

[Steve67]

Fair comments Liam, you sound like a closet Villa fan!  I know we're going down but I'd rather have our man than yours!

[Chris Harte]

Fair comments Liam, you sound like a closet Villa fan!

I almost said something similar haha.

[Villa in Denmark]

I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?

[LeeB]

I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?

To be fair to Liam, there's a hell of a middle ground between the two to find some kind of happy medium.

For me, as a complete outsider looking in, they dispensed with Pepe Mel a bit to quickly.

[Liam_Baggies]

I think that's a pretty fair assessment Liam.

I'd keep Grealish for now. His potential makes it a chance worth taking fir the next 18 months. If he's not settled down to be a regular, productive member of the team by then, it's probably not going to happen for him in B6.

As for playing style, it looks like your lot have settled on one.

What's best. Survival with Pulisball or relegation with Mowbray?

Had Tone been given a fair crack of the whip (like his predecessors have baring Mel) then we would have survived, in my view. Also, there is a happy medium which can be found between Mowbray and Pulis.

One of the mistakes both of our clubs have done is swap managers regularly without following any sort of plan. Much like Swansea follow a model of how they wish to play, both of our clubs seem to be blowing with the wind rather than settling on an approach and building around it. You cannot go from someone like McLeish and Lambert to Sherwood and Garde and equally we cannot go from Clarke, Mel and Irvine to Tony Pulis. It then requires overhauls of the playing staff which are becoming too frequent.

In answer to the question of Jack Grealish - well, I think you're better off without. I think he carries baggage, much like Berahino does and has that sort of attitude which will be more of a disruption than a positive influence. He has growing up to do and quickly but if you're in for a rebuilding job, I'd rather do it without the nuisances.  Personally, I'd prefer someone like Carles Gill every time.