Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[ciggiesnbeer]

It really is nice to see how he has started to win over even fans who are pretty sick and tired of the clubs antics. His points tally is poor, no getting around it, but we do look better imho and I simply adore the fact that he speaks like a sane person who has watched the same game as me.

Fox & Randy had the good sense or fortune to hire him. I hope they have the same sense to back him now when he needs it the most.

[Chris Harte]

Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I saw an article somewhere earlier that mentions his language skills, however, I was under the impression that Garde had forbidden the use of French (and, presumably, Spanish and whatever other native languages there are in the dressing room). This would put the theory that Black is being appointed even in part for his ability to converse in French at odds with what had previously been reported.

[Pete3206]

A few weeks ago I thought that he didn't have a clue. I was wrong

[SheffieldVillain]

Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I saw an article somewhere earlier that mentions his language skills, however, I was under the impression that Garde had forbidden the use of French (and, presumably, Spanish and whatever other native languages there are in the dressing room). This would put the theory that Black is being appointed even in part for his ability to converse in French at odds with what had previously been reported.

Possibly. But even if it's English only in the dressing room, there will be times where it's useful to get a point across to a relatively newly arrived player to be able to do it in their own language. Also, speaking as someone who's lived abroad for 15 years, it's very nice and reassuring that there is someone there who does have the odd word in your native language.

Having said that, I'm sure the appointment is mostly down to his coaching ability rather than language skills.

[LTA]

Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.

Neither had Aitor Karanka or Carlos Carvalhal. Paul Clement has never had a management job anywhere. They make up 3 out of the top 6 managers in the Championship. What it seems to me increasingly in the Championship is that the good training ground coaches rise to the fore.

None of those managers would have walked into as big a shambles though.  We need a manager who is experienced at that level and knows who to organise a club.  I don't believe Garde can do it.

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived.

[SheffieldVillain]

Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.

Neither had Aitor Karanka or Carlos Carvalhal. Paul Clement has never had a management job anywhere. They make up 3 out of the top 6 managers in the Championship. What it seems to me increasingly in the Championship is that the good training ground coaches rise to the fore.

None of those managers would have walked into as big a shambles though.  We need a manager who is experienced at that level and knows who to organise a club.  I don't believe Garde can do it.

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived.

You're saying that Sheff Wed, who have had a million managers in the last few years and nearly went bust wasn't a shambles. Or Middlesborough who had to get rid of their entire squad because they were on Prem wages and going bust. Right.

We're unbeaten in the last five games. How is that not an improvement on losing every game, either statistically or actually?

[LTA]

How long did it take him to get a win..nearly 2 months?

Look at Swansea.  They've brought in a manager who hasn't pissed about.  Gone in, got a win straight away.

I honestly don't think going into the Championship with this manager is worth risking when we have to get back straight away.

[supertom]

How long did it take him to get a win..nearly 2 months?

Look at Swansea.  They've brought in a manager who hasn't pissed about.  Gone in, got a win straight away.

I honestly don't think going into the Championship with this manager is worth risking when we have to get back straight away.

Swansea have better players and hadn't been on the end of 7 straight defeats when the new man came in. I'd like to see if Garde can continue this up turn. If he goes and loses the last 15 games, it's of course a different matter but I would say if we can have a good run and finish the season on something vaguely respectable like 30 points, then he deserves a chance to lead us back up.

[walsall villain]

How long did it take him to get a win..nearly 2 months?

Look at Swansea.  They've brought in a manager who hasn't pissed about.  Gone in, got a win straight away.

I honestly don't think going into the Championship with this manager is worth risking when we have to get back straight away.

I couldn't agree less!
Swansea have not been slowly sliding down the pan for 4 years. They have a much better squad and have been suffering there first bad run for years, no comparison to the shit we are up to our necks in. I have seen and heard enough of Garde to think he should be given the chance to build his own team and get us back up.

[ez]

In the last few games we've looked like a midtable premier league team. It won't save us but the improvement is evident.

[pauliewalnuts]

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

[PaulWinch again]

Good move in think really as Black has experience in coaching and can speak French.

I still don't want Garde at the club though.  I maintain he is not suitable for the inevitable rebuild in the Championship.

I reckon he will walk before that, but I am curious, what kind of manager do you reckon would be better for us in the Championship? Honest question, because I dont know.

Someone who knows that level.  Garde has never played or managed in the Championship.  It's far too much of a risk to put promotion into the hands of a rookie.

Neither had Aitor Karanka or Carlos Carvalhal. Paul Clement has never had a management job anywhere. They make up 3 out of the top 6 managers in the Championship. What it seems to me increasingly in the Championship is that the good training ground coaches rise to the fore.

None of those managers would have walked into as big a shambles though.  We need a manager who is experienced at that level and knows who to organise a club.  I don't believe Garde can do it.

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived.

Well if we haven't improved since he arrived then results do lie.

[LTA]

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.

[SheffieldVillain]

The reality is that the league table and results don't lie - we have not improved since he arrived

You're right, results don't lie.

Sherwood sacked on Oct 25th: P10 W1 D1 L8 = 4 points = 0.4 points per match

Garde's regime: P12 W1 D6 L5 = 9 points = 0.75 points per match

So, having said yourself that results don't lie, I take it you accept he has improved us given the stats above?

No.

We carry no goal threat whatsoever.  We need to score goals and win games, but nobody at the club seems to doing anything about it.

Garde is clearly a decent guy, but anyone saying we've improved since he arrived is deluded IMO.

So I'm confused. Do results lie or not?

[Toronto Villa]

LTA, you asked for stats and you got it. You're in denial. You've also just pointed out we have no goal threat and despite that our points per game has improved. Nobody is high fiving each other but there has been undeniable improvement. The only person that doesn't want to accept it is you it appears.