Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[aj2k77]

Sanchez is another one that needs moving on, brief flashes of competency but on the whole diabolical. What's he to do with some of these blokes? Half of them look shite and the other 40% like they can't be arsed playing football anymore.

[ozzjim]

I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.

He'll have been in charge for well over half a season.  It won't even bad luck, it'll be total incompetence and he cannot possibly be at the club next year if we go.

Frankly that is a load of bollocks.

We had 4 points after 11 games when he came, and a very undercooked squad. No manager would have turned that round. I reckon so far he has been at fault directly for the Norwich and Sunderland results, and has learnt his lesson from those games.

Beyond that, he now has what, 8 points from 11 games himself? So half as bad as Sherwood so far. He needs to be given at least the summer window to rebuild a side in his style, which I think will get us out of that division.

[PaulWinch again]

Yep agreed that was an absolutely ridiculous post.

[Ian.]

I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.

He'll have been in charge for well over half a season.  It won't even bad luck, it'll be total incompetence and he cannot possibly be at the club next year if we go.

That's absolute rubbish. Like others have said he inherited a poor squad down on its knees. The mistakes made in the summer like not purchasing a decent striker, not replacing Guzan after dropping him last season and not playing the three new French lads regularly from the off.

He's had to come into a disjointed unharmonous dressing room and sort too much out. Probably a lot more than he or us ever anticipated.

[Steve R]

I think it's really unlucky that he'll be the manager who goes down in history as relegating us, officially. Hopefully he can also promote us back to wipe that out, because he does seem like the real thing.

The last two managers to inherit a bombing team and stay to get us up were Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe, so if that's the way it pans out he will be in very good company.

I hope he does stay if we do go down, it's unlikely he's get the sack but he could walk. Rather than laud the antics of a few at Wycombe, I'd rather they wound their collective necks in.

He'll have been in charge for well over half a season.  It won't even bad luck, it'll be total incompetence and he cannot possibly be at the club next year if we go.

So you would have got rid of Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe too?

[brian green]

The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.

[themossman]

It's understandable of course but I think there's a real risk that the nihilism and unfocused negativity of fans will do us great harm in the coming months.

I'm in the camp that thinks remi is the real deal and a manager we will want around for a long time (and one we were lucky to get given out situation). There has to be some recognition that he (or whoever has his job) is going to have to take us through a bloody hard transition, with regards to culture, atmosphere, ethos as well as the quality of the players.

Fans need to be focused in their criticism or it counts for nothing.

[aj2k77]

I think Remi has shown an understanding as well towards the fans predicament, when it's been 5 years of pain it will come to a head and patience is at snapping point, I think some of his comments after incidents have been understanding of that. I think he's a good un, the criticism I had of him was that he wasn't experimenting enough, Richardson, Westwood, Gestede, in the team when he could have tried other alternatives. He has done now. I don't think he's the most gung ho, attacking coach, but we will be organised and we will play good football once he's rooted out the bad eggs, he's the first in a while that's had the balls to attempt it. He has my support.

[claretandbeer]

The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.

Vic Crowe's commitment to the club and his playing career deserve respect but I don't understand this admiration of him as a manager.
His record entails not avoiding relegation to Div 3,not an easy task but we weren't too far adrift.We finished 4th with a League Cup final and then Champions in Div 3.His high  win ratio is cited but that's in Div 3. Can't really crow about that ! His record in Div 2 is 103 Pts from 100 matches with  2 Pts for a win ,finishing 3rd and then 14th.
His programme notes talked about testing the bath water,Saunders' we're about 110% effort and getting the right result.His supporters would talk about him stabilising the club but we finished 3 Pts behind mighty Halifax and his tenure ended in 14 th place in Division 2 despite an expensively assembled squad and an array of young talent .

[dave.woodhall]

The thing Joe Mercer and Vic Crowe had in abundance was a quality totally absent in the last five years at Villa Park, the respect of the supporters.   Vic was an iron hard man who would make James Milner look like Charlie N'Zogbia and Joe has the road to the Ethiad named in his memory.  The quality that shone through them both was character.  I believe Remi Garde is cut from the same cloth.

Vic Crowe's commitment to the club and his playing career deserve respect but I don't understand this admiration of him as a manager.
His record entails not avoiding relegation to Div 3,not an easy task but we weren't too far adrift.We finished 4th with a League Cup final and then Champions in Div 3.His high  win ratio is cited but that's in Div 3. Can't really crow about that ! His record in Div 2 is 103 Pts from 100 matches with  2 Pts for a win ,finishing 3rd and then 14th.
His programme notes talked about testing the bath water,Saunders' we're about 110% effort and getting the right result.His supporters would talk about him stabilising the club but we finished 3 Pts behind mighty Halifax and his tenure ended in 14 th place in Division 2 despite an expensively assembled squad and an array of young talent .

We didn't come straight back up because of the small matter of a League Cup run that included beating Manchester United getting in the way. In the following season we broke just about every record in winning the third division, in the one after that we were the last team to finish third and not get promoted and the side you call expensively assembled in fact had hardly anything spent on it, with the chairman midway through saying there was no more money unless the club's star player was sold, which he was, during the season.   

[Chris Smith]

I think Remi has shown an understanding as well towards the fans predicament, when it's been 5 years of pain it will come to a head and patience is at snapping point, I think some of his comments after incidents have been understanding of that. I think he's a good un, the criticism I had of him was that he wasn't experimenting enough, Richardson, Westwood, Gestede, in the team when he could have tried other alternatives. He has done now. I don't think he's the most gung ho, attacking coach, but we will be organised and we will play good football once he's rooted out the bad eggs, he's the first in a while that's had the balls to attempt it. He has my support.

Mine too. Whether we get relegated or pull of an unlikely escape we are in for a period of rebuilding and I would like to see what he can do once he has a set of players that are all committed to his methods.

[claretandbeer]

Sorry about hijacking Garde's thread but Crowe spent £200,000 on Cumbes,Nicholl and Ross in one season.A huge amount for Division 2 sides but unbelievable for a Division 3 team.Robson and Evans for about £170,000 the next season,about the same as Saunders ' outlay on Carrodus and Phillips.There were other signings as well as ,of course,outgoings but Villa did spend big in those 2 seasons before Rioch was sold.

[dave.woodhall]

Sorry about hijacking Garde's thread but Crowe spent £200,000 on Cumbes,Nicholl and Ross in one season.A huge amount for Division 2 sides but unbelievable for a Division 3 team.Robson and Evans for about £170,000 the next season,about the same as Saunders ' outlay on Carrodus and Phillips.There were other signings as well as ,of course,outgoings but Villa did spend big in those 2 seasons before Rioch was sold.

Even if those numbers were correct, and they're much higher than the figures quoted at the time, there were still no major signings in the season you were talking about and midway through 1973-74, while still in the promotion chase, there was an announcement that Villa had £65,000 to spend and that figure didn't go up even after Bruce Rioch was sold.

[Villa in Denmark]

I think Remi has shown an understanding as well towards the fans predicament, when it's been 5 years of pain it will come to a head and patience is at snapping point, I think some of his comments after incidents have been understanding of that. I think he's a good un, the criticism I had of him was that he wasn't experimenting enough, Richardson, Westwood, Gestede, in the team when he could have tried other alternatives. He has done now. I don't think he's the most gung ho, attacking coach, but we will be organised and we will play good football once he's rooted out the bad eggs, he's the first in a while that's had the balls to attempt it. He has my support.

Mine too. Whether we get relegated or pull of an unlikely escape we are in for a period of rebuilding and I would like to see what he can do once he has a set of players that are all committed to his methods.

After 5 years of talking about a season of transition, I think in Garde we've got someone who can actually achieve that, rather than the last few years which have been anything but transition, but all about muddling through as best as we could.

I've got nothing to back that up, other than the way he's approached things, as though he's in it for the long haul and quick fixes now will make a firm foundation later actually more difficult.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I think that Monsieur Garde is a quietly determined character who has decided to take on a very tough task at our club and intends to see it through, whether we stay up or not.
He has clearly discovered a load of inappropriate practice going on at VP/BH and has chosen to deal with it head on rather than muddle through/carry on as if it's all ok, as a few of his predecessors have done.
The most important factor for any leader/manager to have is a vision/philosophy of how he thinks things should be run to achieve a healthy and successful end product. imho Garde has this and I really do believe the club will benefit from his time here.