Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[ROBBO]

I'm not that sure that Garde will be here after the season ends, he seems the type that would walk away
if he felt he couldn't turn things around.

[brian green]

And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

[cheltenhamlion]

And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.

[brian green]

Or even if they won't pay all his wages. I can see him and Gabby playing a lot of ping pong in 2016.

[not3bad]

We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.

What i was hearing was it was actually cambiasso that changed things at leicester . He started to take over the dressing room and doing all the talks etc, not sure how true it is. I wish we had signed him thou .

Thy wishes are well said, for I too do wisheth that young cambiasso had pledged his troth unto villa, as do thou. I am unsure as to whether he would have agreed though.

[PaulWinch again]

And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

I agree and I think Remi has picked up on that. Hence the isolation of the likes of Agbonlahor and N'Zogbia. We need to get rid of those players who have come to accept defeat as the norm. Contrast the stupid grin on Gabby's face when he misses a chance, compared to the anguish of Ayew when he scored a wonder goal but it wasn't enough to get a win.

[Dante Lavelli]

The effort is there. It's just that we're shit.

I think they're willing but they're clearly lacking fitness.  Statistics need to be used with caution, however if you're at the bottom of the league for distance covered then that clearly puts the team at at a disadvantage.

[PaulWinch again]

I'm going to say the same thing I said about Ayew when he was getting called hopeless by some after a handful of games. Garde needs time, I know we tend to forget the good bits because of the horror of the bad bits, but at times we've played nicely under him. He has a massive job on and it isn't going to turn around quick enough for this season. But I think he has the right philosophy on football and if he can rid of the rotten apples who have plagued this club for years I think he'll turn us round.

[Ger Regan]

And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.

I've no real evidence for it, but I suspect him and agbonlahor to be two of the main ringleaders of any group causing trouble behind the scenes. There was something very off about agbonlahor being given an english - french dictionary in one of those god awful youtube clips before christmas (wasn't it given to him by richards too?). I seem to recall that there were rumours of him having a falling out with a previous manager as well (houllier?).

[aj2k77]

You can spin stats how you want though.

I do see an improvement under Garde. Sherwood/Mcdonald lost 9 of 11 matches. Garde has lost 50%. Not great by any stretch but given that he has to work with that shit house defence and no functioning striker exactly what do you expect of him?

Their confidence is shot and the dressing room fractured, with the Senior Pro's undermining everything he tries. What on earth is he supposed to do about that in a couple of months?

Drop all the senior players that don't tow the line. My way or the high way. Someone needs to be strong and get these kids back in line.

[Risso]

We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.

My feeling on this is that it just can't be the manager every single time.

I don't think there's a manager out there who would have turned this one around. If we are going down - and we are - I would prefer to stick with the manager we have got.

It just all gets so fucking random and scattergun, people going on about Nigel Pearson based on the fact he got Leicester promoted and kept them up - uncannily like Lambert's credentials when he got the job, whilst ignoring all the evidence that he's also off his fucking head. Or daydreaming about getting David Moyes in.

If we are going down, I want a manager who wants to play the game the right way and has demonstrably made a team do that, which is what Garde has done. He is also already in place and will have had two thirds of a season in which to get to know the club.

Giving him this car crash of a season alone isn't enough.

I mostly agree with you to be fair, and that utter cretin Pearson is the last manager in the world I'd want anywhere near the place.  Seriously, that would be it for me while he was in charge.  But I do want to see some improvement under Garde during the rest of the season.  We're relegated, that's taken as read, but if he could get say, 5 or 6 decent wins to at least give us a bit of hope, it will be progress, and we can have some optimism.  If we go another ten without winning and are then relegated by March, I think he'll have to pay the price.

[saunders_heroes]

The difference between Sherwood and Garde is that the former gave us a 'new manager lift' when he took over last year and those wins kept us up. It turned sour in the end but I'll be thankful he kept us in the league. Sadly Garde has given us no impact whatsoever. In fact he looks lost.

[Dante Lavelli]

And the senior pros probably talking more to Sherwood on their phones than to Remi Garde.

There is going to be blood on the floor at Bodymoor Heath and it will not be Remi Garde's. The showdown is bubbling under I think. We will not start winning until there has been a blood letting.

Agreed. And the club stand behind Garde. Don't be surprised to see Richards "moved on" in January if someone wants to pay his wages.

I've no real evidence for it, but I suspect him and agbonlahor to be two of the main ringleaders of any group causing trouble behind the scenes. There was something very off about agbonlahor being given an english - french dictionary in one of those god awful youtube clips before christmas (wasn't it given to him by richards too?). I seem to recall that there were rumours of him having a falling out with a previous manager as well (houllier?).

Someone mentioned that he fell out with Duverne whilst he was with us under Houllier.  ...Well he's back now so I can imagine that Gabby would be on the wrong side of any groups.

It frustrates me that the role models around the clubs always seems to be the like of Collins, Dunne and Gabby rather than Barry, Petrov or Milner. 

[saunders_heroes]

I'm pretty sure Milner, Barry and Petrov were role models too.

[aj2k77]

Gabby and Richards are thick as thieves, they hand around together outside of training.