Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[Tayls_7]

No doubt we're shit, thats why we are where we are. But I also don't think we have anything like the same work rate as other sides, not just the top sides either.

I completely agree with this, we stand still and only move when the ball comes into our vicinity.

There was something on recently about the movement of the 2 Watford strikers - it was incredible. Always running into space, chasing down defenders - this was a huge factor is Watford's good form.

Then you see our giant Oak Tree rooted up front and understand why we're so poor. Certainly not just him though I might add.

You can't reinvent a player like Gestede. Unfortunately he is one of those languid, lumbering types without the required urgency to make him half decent at this level.

[Fin Feds Dad]

I felt for him a bit on Saturday. He must be tearing his hair out at some of the goals we've let in.

The questions I have is who was supposed to be protecting the Right side of midfield as the same thing happened last week with Gill on the pitch, the left back strolled up and had a free shot at goal.
Why the fuck has he not dropped Guzan?

The No1 priority this window should be to find a replacement for Guzan. I think he is gone at this level, punch drunk from too many defeats and more and more unconvincing performances. He will forever be associated with some of the appalling stats we've acquired in the last few years.

Totally agree - one stat I heard at the weekend was he has played in 126 of our last 130 league games. And we all know how most of those have ended.

A good goalkeeper can get you 10 + points per season (look at Cech at Arsenal) and bad one can cost you 20+.

There should have been a replacement ready on 1st Jan. 

[PaulWinch again]

The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included

Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

[Chico Hamilton III]

The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included

Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions. No club in the world would accept this from a new gaffer, no matter what team he inherits. The fact that we keep lurching from one shit manager to another ( in McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood) is no reason to hang onto another manager who doesn't do the business.

[Pat McMahon]

The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included

I agree with that Chico. Garde is here now so we have to give him time (last thing we need now is a change of manager) but I haven't really seen signs that things are improving sufficiently. There was structure, effort and some small grains of optimism from Southampton to West Ham but that has now dissolved. I would have been happy with a grizzled manager sorting out the defence, making us ugly and hard to beat.

Re athleticism, I mentioned this in a recent post, saying it was lacking along with skill, effort and spirit. We lost Delph and Cleverley in the summer and both were very mobile battlers, though the latter's performances only cut the mustard once Sherwood arrived.

[Pete3206]

The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

I would challenge the term 'excellent' in regards to his CV. As a coach, it's true he paticipated in French league titles and as a manager, he won the French cup. But, this is the premier league and I can't think of a single premier league manager who has started as poorly as this in terms of results.

[PaulWinch again]

The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included

Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions. No club in the world would accept this from a new gaffer, no matter what team he inherits. The fact that we keep lurching from one shit manager to another ( in McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood) is no reason to hang onto another manager who doesn't do the business.

We are exceptionally bad, and have an exceptionally bad squad. Sherwood did get a bounce, although if you look at the results it wasn't that remarkable, but he had Benteke, Delph, Vlaar and Cleverley. There was a spine of a team there. Garde has none of that, and has an incredible amount of work to do.

[Chico Hamilton III]

You may be right, but I'd expect a coach who is as excellent as some people on here say to make some sort of improvement on the previous shithouse's start to the season. There's been none, which suggests he's not as good as we may like to think. I know it's 9 games and that's nothing, and I would expect us to still be in the bottom 3 even if Mourinhno had taken over, but this isn't good enough from Garde. There's nothing wrong with wanting him to stay but demanding that he does better

[pauliewalnuts]

Garde can be part of that. I honestly don't know what people were expecting from a manager coming into a club which is clearly dysfunctional, which had lost almost every game it had played for months and months, and which had at most four or five players who give the first shit about the way things are going.

There's really nobody who was going to turn that shit around.

I wasn't expecting him to have no effect whatsoever so far, to be honest.  Sherwood had as good as relegated us by the ime he left, but surely some inprovement in results wasn't too much to ask for?  And not to keep playing that cart horse Gestede.  I agree about not appointing Pearson, but Garde has got to show something this season.  Something, anything.  In my opinion there's been nothing so far, and the last two matches have been scandalously bad.

Strictly speaking there has been some improvement in the results. Just not enough to materially change our situation.

[pauliewalnuts]

The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included

Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions.

We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

[Chico Hamilton III]

The idea that a guy who has an excellent coaching CV and was very highly thought of at Lyon is not good enough for us is brilliant. Maybe not suited to us at this point in time, but I think he is at least qualified for the job unlike the last chancer.

9 games with one of the worst sides we have had in years is enough time for some to make their mind up. Mad world.

I would be gutted if he went in the summer to be replaced by a Pearson type.

His CV is ok, not excellent. How is he qualified for the Villa job? he's never manager here, never done much in France as manager and has had a shocking start to his career over here

9 games without a win - I don't know what the worst ever start to a managerial role is, but this must be up there?

If, by "Pearson type", you mean a manager who can get a club promoted and then retain their place in the top flight, that would be exactly what we need, no? 

I hope that Garde turns out to be a good manager but, based on the start he's had at Villa, nobody can honestly say that with confidence. Everyone is guessing and hoping, me included

Well he did a very good job rebuilding Lyon on a very small budget, so 'never done much in France is harsh'. Why's the fact he hadn't previously managed here relevant to his suitability to the role?

He hasn't had a great start, but to be fair he has a shambles of a squad and players who are determined to make horrific individual mistakes. Nigel Pearson's Leicester were buried before a remarkable end of season run. Whilst there's nothing to suggest Villa will do that, if you'd mentioned Pearson as a candidate for the Villa job this time last year it would have been laughed at. The vast majority of last season with Leicester was terrible, it was just an exceptional run that saved them.

Like I say, we're all hoping and guessing. But any manager who hasn't won in 9 games - I'd expect a half decent coach to get some sort of bounce from his players, however shit they are, Sherwood managed it and he was absolute cack - has to face questions.

We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

I've taken all of that into account but when does it stop becoming Sherwood's fault though? They've both had the same team to work with this season and both been equally bad at it

[Risso]

True, but then it shouldn't be hard to actually show some improvement? And Garde has made things harder for himself at times, like with the line up v Norwich.

[PeterWithesShin]

Under Sherwood and MacDonald in the league we'd gone 10 without a win taking 1 point and had lost 7 in a row. That will have decimated confidence etc so for me they take the bulk of the blame as they left us in a nightmare situation, not just points wise but also in confidence, self belief and so on.

[Ger Regan]

True, but then it shouldn't be hard to actually show some improvement? And Garde has made things harder for himself at times, like with the line up v Norwich.

If nothing else I can actually see a plan of sorts with Garde and how he sets us up (not that he's got it right all the time either). I genuinely had no clue what sherwood was thinking most of the time.

[Risso]

We weren't on anything like as bad a run under Lambert when Sherwood arrived as we were under Sherwood when Garde came.

Any team which wins a game then draws one, then loses nine on the bounce is mentally done for. That's an awful situation to inherit.

Before Sherwood took over, we'd drawn 3 and lost 7, including 5 straight defeats  in which time we'd scored 2 goals in 10 games. I would say that is equally horrific to be honest.  And the start of this run came not that long after the 6 game losing streak where we'd failed to score a single goal.