Remi Garde - Departs Aston Villa

[ChicagoLion]

Of course there are behind the scenes problems, it starts at the top and permeates its way through the whole organisation. The 2015 92 club league table tell you how rotten it really is.
The idea that just appointing a new manager can solve the problem is sheer bunkum.
We have become the British Leyland of British football.
Awful Leadership, terrible management, shit product and the workers running amok.

[ronshirt]

My personal gut feeling, strengthened by contacts with those better connected than I, is that there are worse problems behind the scenes than we actually are allowed to know about.

It's The Gnasher.

When they get round to making a film about the last few seasons he'll be the barber persuading Villa managers to go for the three day stubble look. Think Peter Cook.

[Jimbo]

There are problems behind the scenes, there are problems in front of the scenes. And the scenes themselves are fairly problematic.

[ChicagoLion]

There are problems behind the scenes, there are problems in front of the scenes. And the scenes themselves are fairly problematic.

And no one wants to create a scene which is another problem.

[Drummond]

For the last few years I've been going into failing services /businesses /teams and turning them round. It's all about motivating the unmotivated, putting systems in place for people to follow and setting clear expectations. And getting rid of drains and blockers. Plus bringing in good operators to set good examples and new blood who can learn from scratch.

I've had some pretty rotten stuff to sort out but nothing is insurmountable.

Villa need to start again. It's clear that we've never dealt with the bad apples. By creating the bomb squad and other such situations we've merely prolonged the pain I stead of cutting our losses and just getting rid. Ultimately the cost of relegation will far outweigh the loss of training after fees for a few players. (For example, why haven't we got shut of N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Sender's etc rather than having unhappy, unplayable shit in and around the squad?)

I'm all for giving each manager a shot, some say good things, others look lost. But for once we just need to get a fucking grip of things. If we don't we'll just keep on dropping.

Happy New Year.

[ROBBO]

Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.

[Chris Harte]

Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.

We'd have trouble filling eleven to be fair.

[supertom]

Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.

I'd be all for this. I'd give some youngsters a bit of playing time rather than over the hill toss like Richardson, who is so done at this level it's not funny. And if our academy isn't producing talent for at least Championship level, it needs burning down. We surely can raise more talented than dross like Bacuna.

Get in some experienced players who will actually fight and still have legs and help bring our foreign imports and talented youngster together.

Gabby seems a bit poisonous, as do a few others.

[tomd2103]

Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.

I'd be all for this. I'd give some youngsters a bit of playing time rather than over the hill toss like Richardson, who is so done at this level it's not funny. And if our academy isn't producing talent for at least Championship level, it needs burning down. We surely can raise more talented than dross like Bacuna.

Get in some experienced players who will actually fight and still have legs and help bring our foreign imports and talented youngster together.

Gabby seems a bit poisonous, as do a few others.

I agree wit the point in bold.  I actually think there is a nucleus of decent talent at the club in the likes of Okore, Veretout, Amavi, Ayew, Grealish and Gil.  What we desperately need are the players, as you say, that will bring them together.  Real leaders down the spune of the team - keeper, centre back, central midfield and striker would be a good start.

[ROBBO]

Feel a little sorry for Grealish he hasn't had decent role models at the club as he?

[OzVilla]

Our much heralded Academy has proved to be complete toss, all the talk from Stevie Me a few years back about Villa being a really good side in a few years, complete toss.

As well as Garde having a tough job clearing out the deadwood we also need to start producing something worthwhile from the Academy instead of nearly but not quite's.

KMacs legacy has been destroyed by the way they've pretty much all turned out to be duds
as well as the horrendous management experience he gave us at Newcastle and Tottenham.

[ozzjim]

Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.

I'd be all for this. I'd give some youngsters a bit of playing time rather than over the hill toss like Richardson, who is so done at this level it's not funny. And if our academy isn't producing talent for at least Championship level, it needs burning down. We surely can raise more talented than dross like Bacuna.

Get in some experienced players who will actually fight and still have legs and help bring our foreign imports and talented youngster together.

Gabby seems a bit poisonous, as do a few others.

I agree wit the point in bold.  I actually think there is a nucleus of decent talent at the club in the likes of Okore, Veretout, Amavi, Ayew, Grealish and Gil.  What we desperately need are the players, as you say, that will bring them together.  Real leaders down the spune of the team - keeper, centre back, central midfield and striker would be a good start.

I agree. If we could get someone of the ilk of Inler that we have been linked with it would be good.  Vastly experienced and still got plenty to offer and a leader in midfield.  Barry would have been perfect 18 months ago. I think Boro were clever getting Downing back last summer for similar reasons.  Even keeping someone like Vlaar might have been worth doing to keep the experience and using him when fit.  Since Petrov retired though we have been devoid of experienced leadership on the pitch. I can understand the links to Toulalan and Mandanda to give that too.

[Irish villain]

Villa need to start again. It's clear that we've never dealt with the bad apples. By creating the bomb squad and other such situations we've merely prolonged the pain I stead of cutting our losses and just getting rid. Ultimately the cost of relegation will far outweigh the loss of training after fees for a few players. (For example, why haven't we got shut of N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Sender's etc rather than having unhappy, unplayable shit in and around the squad?)

I'm all for giving each manager a shot, some say good things, others look lost. But for once we just need to get a fucking grip of things. If we don't we'll just keep on dropping.

Happy New Year.

The drift in standards after 2010 is something to behold and you could probably write a book about how we went from top six to relegation fodder in a couple of seasons. For me it is epitomised by us replacing Milner with Stephen Ireland, going from Houllier to McLeish, selling Downing & Young and replacing them with N'Zogbia, having players like KEA as fist teamers, giving Lambert a year too long (and a new contract, WTF?) but really the list is endless.

We have had zero leadership in the last half decade. We have gone from one extreme to the other, we have had indecision and we have had bad decisions. If Lerner wasn't up to running the club he should have appointed people who were able. That was another failure of leadership that has contributed to the malaise and drift.

I am no accountant but surely the effort at balancing the books and reducing the wage bill will have been pretty pointless if we are relegated given how much of a hit our income will take? Will it all have been worth the pain financially if we go down?

[mr underhill]

our only hope financially will be to get promoted at the first attempt, although I suppose the parachute payments will ease some of the pain. as ever my fear is that we can't trust anyone to decision make/ spend what we have wisely as your post more than adequately proves

[Hookeysmith]

Take all the non performers and troublemakers off the list and tell them they are finished at Villa and don't let them near the squad. We may have trouble filling twenty five spots but you have to start somewhere.

Although most will agree with the sentiment we cannot loose site of these tossers being business commodities that have investment and value against them. Undoubtedly we will lose out financially when we eventually remove the dross like Nzogbia et al but no business can afford to just write off so much stock value, so they player for player have to reduce the loss or its financial suicide.

I think there has been a toxic atmosphere at vp for a good few years, started by Dunne and Collins and maintained by the likes of Gabby and added to with the likes of Richards.
Although i am resigned to us going this year i still feel there is a decent nucleus in the squad and we need to at the very least have some continuity so would like to keep Garde